Pat Williams Discussion - Out 4-6 Mo (late Feb to late April)

[GoBlue72391]

MPJ has 53 points in 5 games. Lauri covers a lot of ground

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The Nuggets just gave MPJ the Brinks truck and Lauri kept him in check. Because MPJ is off to a slow start to the season that negates Lauri's defense? How about PG with 12 points on 6-20 shooting in a loss to the Cavs? That would have been a disaster in past seasons. Not saying he's a lockdown guy, but he definitely seems to be on the right track.

Not really worth going back and forth about it because we can't even get him back anyway, but in hindsight he looks like he could have been the answer to our PF hole, but I also get why we moved on. Just wish we had a better fallback plan for the 4 spot, like maybe somehow keeping one of Thad or Theis. As of now, the options on the free agent market are extremely limited and we don't really have any trade assets now.

I would like to see if Niko's relationship with his EuroLeague team is bad enough to bring him back to the NBA if we could possibly but him out of his contract or something of that nature.

[HomoSapien]

It's his left wrist? That explains how he was able to shoot his free throws after the flagrant foul. That's obviously good for his long-term outlook, even if the wrist never fully heals. He's a good shooter, even if it's low volume. It's fortunate for him that it's his left wrist.

[MrSparkle]

Man this really sucks.

Well, I’m really glad it was his off-hand and not the knees or shooting hand. But missing your sophomore season is a huge setback.

Now a trade is gonna be more necessary. Though I kind of like Javonte at the starting 4.

Meanwhile, what is DJJ (not) doing that’s drawn zero trust from Billy?

[BeatDaCavs420]

I’m totally opposed to trading yet another 1st rounder for a Pat replacement.

We played four bad teams and got smacked by the first real one. Can we make sure this roster is good first?

Lmao @ got smacked

This boards takes after a loss always are brutal to the point they're pretty much laughable

Also this boards obsession with first round picks is weird at this point. You guys just swear we're always going to draft that next game changer with a 7th (at best) or higher pick

It must be hard for you guys to just enjoy basketball with this type of doom/gloom mindset.

[fleet]

MPJ has 53 points in 5 games. Lauri covers a lot of ground

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The Nuggets just gave MPJ the Brinks truck and Lauri kept him in check. Because MPJ is off to a slow start to the season that negates Lauri's defense? How about PG with 12 points on 6-20 shooting in a loss to the Cavs? That would have been a disaster in past seasons. Not saying he's a lockdown guy, but he definitely seems to be on the right track.

Not really worth going back and forth about it because we can't even get him back anyway, but in hindsight he looks like he could have been the answer to our PF hole, but I also get why we moved on. Just wish we had a better fallback plan for the 4 spot, like maybe somehow keeping one of Thad or Theis. As of now, the options on the free agent market are extremely limited and we don't really have any trade assets now.

I would like to see if Niko's relationship with his EuroLeague team is bad enough to bring him back to the NBA if we could possibly but him out of his contract or something of that nature.

PG scored like crap the game before the Cavs game too, IDK.

You seem convinced, and that’s great. I’ll need to see the Cavs play, but for now I would put my money on the big guys behind Lauri covering up for him more than him ‘blossomed’. Maybe Im wrong, and Febulauri has become Octobulauri.

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I just hope his wrist can come close to 100%. That is by far the worst potential news in this situation.

Not a medical expert but I wonder if we'll know the extent of the injury(if it'll heal) after surgery? or do we just have to wait and see?

[kodo]

This sounds kinda serious.

Perilunate dislocation and perilunate fracture dislocation are injuries that involve traumatic rupture of the radioscaphocapitate (RSC) ligament, the scapholunate interosseous (SLI) ligament, and the lunotriquetral interosseous (LTI) ligament. [1, 2, 3, 4] In some instances, these injuries may be associated with disruption of the short radiolunate ligament. [5] Fractures of the radial styloid, the scaphoid, the trapezium, the capitate, and the triquetrum also may be associated with the dorsal or the volar perilunate dislocation. The result of perilunate dislocation and of perilunate fracture dislocation is an extremely unstable wrist, potentially producing devastating complications. [6]

Perilunate dislocations and perilunate fracture dislocations are the most devastating closed injuries of the wrist. [7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17] They often are missed on initial evaluation, leading to devastating complications

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This sounds kinda serious.

Perilunate dislocation and perilunate fracture dislocation are injuries that involve traumatic rupture of the radioscaphocapitate (RSC) ligament, the scapholunate interosseous (SLI) ligament, and the lunotriquetral interosseous (LTI) ligament. [1, 2, 3, 4] In some instances, these injuries may be associated with disruption of the short radiolunate ligament. [5] Fractures of the radial styloid, the scaphoid, the trapezium, the capitate, and the triquetrum also may be associated with the dorsal or the volar perilunate dislocation. The result of perilunate dislocation and of perilunate fracture dislocation is an extremely unstable wrist, potentially producing devastating complications. [6]

Perilunate dislocations and perilunate fracture dislocations are the most devastating closed injuries of the wrist. [7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17] They often are missed on initial evaluation, leading to devastating complications

Man this sucks. Hopefully Pat has luck on his side.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I’m totally opposed to trading yet another 1st rounder for a Pat replacement.

We played four bad teams and got smacked by the first real one. Can we make sure this roster is good first?

Lmao @ got smacked

This boards takes after a loss always are brutal to the point they're pretty much laughable

Also this boards obsession with first round picks is weird at this point. You guys just swear we're always going to draft that next game changer with a 7th (at best) or higher pick

It must be hard for you guys to just enjoy basketball with this type of doom/gloom mindset.

It’s funny how accusing others of being “doom and gloom” is such a go-to coping mechanism for some. Anything to keep the darkness at bay, I suppose.

But more to the point: as someone who isn’t “obsessed” with 1st rounders, you want the front office to trade their 4th 1st rounder in the last year before they know what this team is? While Zach is nursing an injury of his own? Do I have that right?

[Michael Jackson]

MPJ has 53 points in 5 games. Lauri covers a lot of ground

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The Nuggets just gave MPJ the Brinks truck and Lauri kept him in check. Because MPJ is off to a slow start to the season that negates Lauri's defense? How about PG with 12 points on 6-20 shooting in a loss to the Cavs? That would have been a disaster in past seasons. Not saying he's a lockdown guy, but he definitely seems to be on the right track.

Not really worth going back and forth about it because we can't even get him back anyway, but in hindsight he looks like he could have been the answer to our PF hole, but I also get why we moved on. Just wish we had a better fallback plan for the 4 spot, like maybe somehow keeping one of Thad or Theis. As of now, the options on the free agent market are extremely limited and we don't really have any trade assets now.

I would like to see if Niko's relationship with his EuroLeague team is bad enough to bring him back to the NBA if we could possibly but him out of his contract or something of that nature.

PG scored like crap the game before the Cavs game too, IDK.

You seem convinced, and that’s great. I’ll need to see the Cavs play, but for now I would put my money on the big guys behind Lauri covering up for him more than him ‘blossomed’. Maybe Im wrong, and Febulauri has become Octobulauri.

Not to beat this horse dead right here, but Mobley and Allen have been playing very well defensively. I do think Lauri looks much better when paired with the right big man, like RoLo he looked better with for sure. I do not think he would have success here in the same role.

[jordanwilliams6]

Another ‘positive’ is that it’s an off hand wrist injury and not a leg injury. If there’s any chance he can return this year, he’d be able to start conditioning work pretty soon after surgery and stay in shape. They’ll have him on the court doing single hand basketball work to keep some sort of touch and may even be able to start shooting in a couple of months.

[Ben Wilson25]

Sounds like most of the permanent impairment issues happen when this goes undiagnosed\untreated.

[DuckIII]

I can’t imagine that after 20+ pages I can add anything new so I’ll just say this:

This Is absolutely devastating news for both the short term and long term outlook of the Bulls. Devastating.

[BeKuK]

Well, after last nights loss I had a damn long sleep.....and after reading this about PWill's injury I need to continue sleeping.

EDIT: Imo, PWill will have a tough time to come back and be a NBA Player.

[BloodyQ]

Do you think the Bulls wait a bit for the market to set itself before making a move? Could be well under .500 after this stretch if we don't make any move

If the Bulls fall below .500 after this brutal stretch it won't be because PWill is gone.

[panthermark]

Too much doom and gloom in here.
Yes it sucks....but it is his LEFT WRIST.
He's right handed.
It isn't his knee, or his achilles, or his right wrist, or his eye, or he has a heart condition or something.

As I said before, I tore my left wrist up.
Mountain biking...going too fast down a hill, didn't see a drainage ditch until too late. Over the handlebars I went....my first thought was "don't hit your head on the cement in this ditch, no one will find your body". Arms out front....no head injury.....but my left wrist shaped like an "S". Got up...rode my bike home. My roommates were like "WTF dude....you have to get to the hospital NOW!"
It hurt...but not as bad as it looked. I took a shower first before they took me to the hospital. We joked about it in the ER.
Doctors took X-ray's, put it in a ACE bandage, and scheduled surgery for next day. Nothing they could do.
I will say that by that night...the pain was HORRIBLE.
My wrist is not he same, but it has not really changed the "quality" of my life (I had ZERO rehab). I can't really palm a basketball left handed all that well anymore...but I wasn't an NBA player before...so it wasn't like it was something I did all the time.
Biggest downside is that I grew up playing the drums and originally learned to play with a traditional grip (watch old jazz drummers), I can't really do that well anymore (especially drum rolls). But that is OK because in HS I was forced to switch over to a matched grip for marching band anyway.

[WindyCityBorn]

We are cursed.

[Michael Jackson]

Too much doom and gloom in here.
Yes it sucks....but it is his LEFT WRIST.
He's right handed.
It isn't his knee, or his achilles, or his right wrist, or his eye, or he has a heart condition or something.

As I said before, I tore my left wrist up.
Mountain biking...going too fast down a hill, didn't see a drainage ditch until too late. Over the handlebars I went....my first thought was "don't hit your head on the cement in this ditch, no one will find your body". Arms out front....no head injury.....but my left wrist shaped like an "S". Got up...rode my bike home. My roommates were like "WTF dude....you have to get to the hospital NOW!"
It hurt...but not as bad as it looked. I took a shower first before they took me to the hospital. We joked about it in the ER.
Doctors took X-ray's, put it in a ACE bandage, and scheduled surgery for next day. Nothing they could do.
I will say that by that night...the pain was HORRIBLE.
My wrist is not he same, but it has not really changed the "quality" of my life (I had ZERO rehab). I can't really palm a basketball left handed all that well anymore...but I wasn't an NBA player before...so it wasn't like it was something I did all the time.
Biggest downside is that I grew up playing the drums and originally learned to play with a traditional grip (watch old jazz drummers), I can't really do that well anymore (especially drum rolls). But that is OK because in HS I was forced to switch over to a matched grip for marching band anyway.

Not that anyone needs obstacles, but Jim Abbot taught us a thing or too. This isn’t the worst case scenario although it absolutely sucks. This isn’t Jay Williams never walking right again. It sucks and I feel awful for Pat but in some ways this might be a blessing, he may be able to rehab, not have every fan ripping in him constantly and come back out like a 21 year older rookie with low expectations and more maturity and just really grow into the player he is meant to be. Sometimes setbacks are beneficial, like the universe saw this path for him. Maybe he comes back as the piece that really makes us a contender. Best wishes to Pat. For the record some thought Zach would never recover from arguably a way more devastating injury to an Uber athletic player and he is just fine today.

Def Leopards drummer played with one arm at a very high level after being a drummer using both arms. Talent is talent… Pat will be fine I believe. Pure speculation of course but sometimes it is healthy to think of best case scenario instead of the worst.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I can’t imagine that after 20+ pages I can add anything new so I’ll just say this:

This Is absolutely devastating news for both the short term and long term outlook of the Bulls. Devastating.

Why though? Im just not getting why it would be such a long term issue? He didnt tear an ACL, its a non shooting hand wrist injury. He could conceivably be back by the playoffs.

On top of that, Pat is only 20. He has plenty of time to get to where he needs to be.

[Michael Jackson]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

I can’t imagine that after 20+ pages I can add anything new so I’ll just say this:

This Is absolutely devastating news for both the short term and long term outlook of the Bulls. Devastating.

Why though? Im just not getting why it would be such a long term issue? He didnt tear an ACL, its a non shooting hand wrist injury. He could conceivably be back by the playoffs.

On top of that, Pat is only 20. He has plenty of time to get to where he needs to be.

I might be dead wrong but I tend to agree with you. He is young I mean still way young and it is his non shooting hand. Sucks he can’t develop but he still gets to be around pro’s all day long and has the best money can buy in his rehab, and watching tape and everything. MPJ was never going to play ball with a much more serious injury and ended up looking good (bad example today but you get the point) why can’t pat be that guy too? Maybe he won’t but as far as injuries go this is gross and awful but not the worst thing ever imho.