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Post#521 » by MrSparkle » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:14 pm

FriedRise wrote:Curious about how the Suns did it, but it's basically Bridges, Ayton, and CP3 being absolute pests on defense and denying anything the Warriors tried to run. They anticipated and played the passing lane so well that every other pass to/from Curry was a turnover. The Warriors ended the night with 25 assists and 22 turnovers.



So this is the thing. Curry is a GOAT but stick a 6’9+ athlete on him and with GS’ lack of secondary creators and snipers, they’re very vulnerable unlike the previous era. 2016 Lebron was able to slow him down in his prime with a healthy Klay. Mikal/Ayton are the perfect weapons to kill GS. Glad they get to battle each other in the West.
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Post#522 » by FriedRise » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:48 pm

How important is Brook Lopez to the Bucks being a contender? They've won 8 in a row, has the same record as us, and he's been out all year.
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Post#523 » by kodo » Thu Dec 2, 2021 10:24 pm

Bobby Portis is a very good replacement for Lopez, he's been a better 3P shooter. Wish we still had him.
And this has been a forgiving stretch of the schedule. Pacers, Denver no Jokic, Pistons, Magic x2, OKC, LA no Lebron. That CHA win was good though, CHA is good this year.
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Post#524 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Dec 2, 2021 10:26 pm

Will Zion ever be healthy? It is a strange situation. Something about NOP though. CP3 was unhealthy there, so was AD and now Zion. Unimportant side story but I was working a show in New Orleans and Cleveland was in town. I was literally bymeslf for the show that first day and got half court seat 10 rows back for $45 and it was CP3's first or second game back and the first time I saw LeBron. The stadium was insanely fun though. They had a free beer garden before the game, like you showed up and they gave you two free drafts. Inside they sold drinks with triple shots like WTF... No major misbehaving either, I couldn't imagine the fistfights that would break out in Chicago LOL
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Post#525 » by kulaz3000 » Thu Dec 2, 2021 11:09 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:Will Zion ever be healthy? It is a strange situation. Something about NOP though. CP3 was unhealthy there, so was AD and now Zion. Unimportant side story but I was working a show in New Orleans and Cleveland was in town. I was literally bymeslf for the show that first day and got half court seat 10 rows back for $45 and it was CP3's first or second game back and the first time I saw LeBron. The stadium was insanely fun though. They had a free beer garden before the game, like you showed up and they gave you two free drafts. Inside they sold drinks with triple shots like WTF... No major misbehaving either, I couldn't imagine the fistfights that would break out in Chicago LOL


I don't think it's a franchise situation. Chris Paul and AD have missed big chunks of games due to injuries outside of that franchise.

With ZIon he is just fat - it's really as simple as that. The kid has a foot injury, so no one should be surprised that he has had a set back being that he looks close to 350 pounds right now.

There is only so much a team can do, when your franchise player is so young, and making him feel crap is not in your best interest and he doesn't seem to have the motivation or guidance around him to get into shape either.

At this stage, it really wouldn't shock me if he eats himself out of the league in 4-5 years time. He may get into shape, right before his first massive extension, and then I predict it will be downhill from there. Which would be a damn shame, but he has all the potential to be a great player, but it's one thing to be out of shape, because they are young and not eating optimally, say like Luka, but then there is OUT OF SHAPE, which is Zion. He is headed in the Shawn Kemp, Vin Baker route.
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Post#526 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Dec 2, 2021 11:51 pm

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Michael Jackson wrote:Will Zion ever be healthy? It is a strange situation. Something about NOP though. CP3 was unhealthy there, so was AD and now Zion. Unimportant side story but I was working a show in New Orleans and Cleveland was in town. I was literally bymeslf for the show that first day and got half court seat 10 rows back for $45 and it was CP3's first or second game back and the first time I saw LeBron. The stadium was insanely fun though. They had a free beer garden before the game, like you showed up and they gave you two free drafts. Inside they sold drinks with triple shots like WTF... No major misbehaving either, I couldn't imagine the fistfights that would break out in Chicago LOL


I don't think it's a franchise situation. Chris Paul and AD have missed big chunks of games due to injuries outside of that franchise.

With ZIon he is just fat - it's really as simple as that. The kid has a foot injury, so no one should be surprised that he has had a set back being that he looks close to 350 pounds right now.

There is only so much a team can do, when your franchise player is so young, and making him feel crap is not in your best interest and he doesn't seem to have the motivation or guidance around him to get into shape either.

At this stage, it really wouldn't shock me if he eats himself out of the league in 4-5 years time. He may get into shape, right before his first massive extension, and then I predict it will be downhill from there. Which would be a damn shame, but he has all the potential to be a great player, but it's one thing to be out of shape, because they are young and not eating optimally, say like Luka, but then there is OUT OF SHAPE, which is Zion. He is headed in the Shawn Kemp, Vin Baker route.



Kemp and Baker was an interesting trade for that reason, but both off those guys were dealing with alcoholism at the time, which I don't think (but maybe it is ) with Zion. I get that Zion is always going to be a big boy and that he will put on weight easily when he can't workout but man it is disappointing. Hopefully he can get in shape and stay in shape.

I was being a bit hyperbolic blaming NOP for injuries but you also have the Portland curse too.

I honestly think Zion is eating his way out of New Orleans more than the league. I really don't think he wants to be there or at least the outside influences want him out of there. They want a bigger market, maybe not NY or LA or Chicago but even a Philly, Houston or Boston. I mean you can't trade him yet, but maybe something around Simmons would be smart for both parties, not that him and Embiid could co exist either, just that NOP could build around Simmons, Ingram and what other assets they could get plus simmons. They can't but they could cut the losses before it turns ugly with him. Maybe to Boston to I don't know wherever. They can get a lot for Zion pretty much anything (like AD hahahaha). I just don't think he is ever going to reach near potential there for various reasons, although he might on some new team and they will look stupid. Tough spot to be in IMHO. Can they trade him to the Pistons for the whole team? Ah well the Zion sweepstakes has not been a big win for them so far.
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Post#527 » by kulaz3000 » Thu Dec 2, 2021 11:58 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:I honestly think Zion is eating his way out of New Orleans more than the league. I really don't think he wants to be there or at least the outside influences want him out of there. They want a bigger market, maybe not NY or LA or Chicago but even a Philly, Houston or Boston. I mean you can't trade him yet, but maybe something around Simmons would be smart for both parties, not that him and Embiid could co exist either, just that NOP could build around Simmons, Ingram and what other assets they could get plus simmons. They can't but they could cut the losses before it turns ugly with him. Maybe to Boston to I don't know wherever. They can get a lot for Zion pretty much anything (like AD hahahaha). I just don't think he is ever going to reach near potential there for various reasons, although he might on some new team and they will look stupid. Tough spot to be in IMHO. Can they trade him to the Pistons for the whole team? Ah well the Zion sweepstakes has not been a big win for them so far.


While your scenario about him not being happy there and wanting out may be true, but is that the type of player/person you want as your franchise player in that case? By all accounts, he seems like a good kid, but if he is willing to put his own health at risk, just for the sake of not wanting to be there, and put his career on the line by playing overweight at the risk of a serious injury, I'm sorry but he needs to get his head out of his backside.

It's one thing to not play as hard, or even demand a trade, but it's another to sabotage your entire career by eating yourself out of a team. But I don't think it's that - I think that the franchise is so scared of losing him, that they aren't willing to tell him the truth and just biting their tongue allowing him to do whatever he wants, which is the opposite of what you should be doing to a young impressionable person.

I'll say this, as talented as he is, even if he were available, or hell, even if he were to demand a trade to the Bulls, unless we could basically steal him for nothing, I would not be interested, because I honestly think this is going to be an ongoing issue and like I said, I think he will eventually be out of the league before he even hits 30. I hope I'm wrong, because for the league to lose a talent like him, would suck for the fans and the league as a whole, but I get the feeling that this league just may not be for him.
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Post#528 » by sco » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:28 am

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Michael Jackson wrote:I honestly think Zion is eating his way out of New Orleans more than the league. I really don't think he wants to be there or at least the outside influences want him out of there. They want a bigger market, maybe not NY or LA or Chicago but even a Philly, Houston or Boston. I mean you can't trade him yet, but maybe something around Simmons would be smart for both parties, not that him and Embiid could co exist either, just that NOP could build around Simmons, Ingram and what other assets they could get plus simmons. They can't but they could cut the losses before it turns ugly with him. Maybe to Boston to I don't know wherever. They can get a lot for Zion pretty much anything (like AD hahahaha). I just don't think he is ever going to reach near potential there for various reasons, although he might on some new team and they will look stupid. Tough spot to be in IMHO. Can they trade him to the Pistons for the whole team? Ah well the Zion sweepstakes has not been a big win for them so far.


While your scenario about him not being happy there and wanting out may be true, but is that the type of player/person you want as your franchise player in that case? By all accounts, he seems like a good kid, but if he is willing to put his own health at risk, just for the sake of not wanting to be there, and put his career on the line by playing overweight at the risk of a serious injury, I'm sorry but he needs to get his head out of his backside.

It's one thing to not play as hard, or even demand a trade, but it's another to sabotage your entire career by eating yourself out of a team. But I don't think it's that - I think that the franchise is so scared of losing him, that they aren't willing to tell him the truth and just biting their tongue allowing him to do whatever he wants, which is the opposite of what you should be doing to a young impressionable person.

I'll say this, as talented as he is, even if he were available, or hell, even if he were to demand a trade to the Bulls, unless we could basically steal him for nothing, I would not be interested, because I honestly think this is going to be an ongoing issue and like I said, I think he will eventually be out of the league before he even hits 30. I hope I'm wrong, because for the league to lose a talent like him, would suck for the fans and the league as a whole, but I get the feeling that this league just may not be for him.

His value to a team is hard to assess. VanGundy tried to play him like the Knicks play Randle (ie as a quasi point-PF), and IMO, if he isn't playmaking in the half-court, his value is diminished. He's almost exclusively a paint scorer and rebounder...he's hard to stop in that role. He'd be a good small-ball C, but he isn't a great rim protector. That's a hard guy to build around. For his team to succeed, you need a front-court mate who is predominantly a perimeter player who can protect the paint.
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Post#529 » by jc23 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:38 am

Lopez going out is a big blow to the Bucks.
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Post#530 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:40 am

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Michael Jackson wrote:I honestly think Zion is eating his way out of New Orleans more than the league. I really don't think he wants to be there or at least the outside influences want him out of there. They want a bigger market, maybe not NY or LA or Chicago but even a Philly, Houston or Boston. I mean you can't trade him yet, but maybe something around Simmons would be smart for both parties, not that him and Embiid could co exist either, just that NOP could build around Simmons, Ingram and what other assets they could get plus simmons. They can't but they could cut the losses before it turns ugly with him. Maybe to Boston to I don't know wherever. They can get a lot for Zion pretty much anything (like AD hahahaha). I just don't think he is ever going to reach near potential there for various reasons, although he might on some new team and they will look stupid. Tough spot to be in IMHO. Can they trade him to the Pistons for the whole team? Ah well the Zion sweepstakes has not been a big win for them so far.


While your scenario about him not being happy there and wanting out may be true, but is that the type of player/person you want as your franchise player in that case? By all accounts, he seems like a good kid, but if he is willing to put his own health at risk, just for the sake of not wanting to be there, and put his career on the line by playing overweight at the risk of a serious injury, I'm sorry but he needs to get his head out of his backside.

It's one thing to not play as hard, or even demand a trade, but it's another to sabotage your entire career by eating yourself out of a team. But I don't think it's that - I think that the franchise is so scared of losing him, that they aren't willing to tell him the truth and just biting their tongue allowing him to do whatever he wants, which is the opposite of what you should be doing to a young impressionable person.

I'll say this, as talented as he is, even if he were available, or hell, even if he were to demand a trade to the Bulls, unless we could basically steal him for nothing, I would not be interested, because I honestly think this is going to be an ongoing issue and like I said, I think he will eventually be out of the league before he even hits 30. I hope I'm wrong, because for the league to lose a talent like him, would suck for the fans and the league as a whole, but I get the feeling that this league just may not be for him.


Talking about being scared to have the conversation... They fired the chefs for the team, as if that was the problem They surely didn't;t put it on him, and c'mon NBA Team Chefs aren't feeding whoppers before the game in 2021 no matter how inept they may be. Yeah they are afraid, but they should cut the chord on way or another.

Zion's draft night made me so happy his interview with him mom was so heartwarming and I thought he would be great for that franchise, he really does seem like a great guy, but kinda like Rose I think family influence may be in his head too much. Sometimes it is better to be Jimmy Butler and just be a scrapper.
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Post#531 » by MissileMike » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:04 am

What in the world is going on with the Memphis/OKC game... Griz are up by ***76*** right now!!
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Post#535 » by erlim » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:48 pm

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Wasn’t the biggest loss ever by us previous to this?
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Post#537 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Dec 3, 2021 2:06 pm

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Wasn’t the biggest loss ever by us previous to this?



Miami Heat… Bulls are farther down the list

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And in the Doncic draft the NBA calls out the Bulls for intentionally tanking, what a joke.

And didn't Garpax cave to the NBAs requests and change their lineup? What spineless idiots. Complete joke.
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