Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[NADROJ]

Trade 1:

Joakim Noah + Knicks 1st rounder to Bulls for Jerian Grant

Trade 2:

Justin Holiday + Robin Lopez + Knicks 1st + NO 1st to Cleveland for Channing Frye + Iman Shumpert + Brooklyn 1st

PG- Dunn/Payne/Blakeney
SG-Lavine/Valentine/Shumpert
SF-Zipser(fortankpurposes)/Nwaba/Shumpert
PF-Markkanen/Portis/Frye
C-Felicio/Noah/Asik

1st round picks: our own + Brooklyn

Current spots in the draft

Chicago/Brooklyn - 7/8
New York - 10
New Orleans - 17

No chance i'm paying all that to move up 7 spots.

The issue with Trade #1 is that there's no way the Knicks wouldn't put a #1-3 protection on it. Otherwise, they'd just wait until the lottery occurred and act accordingly in the offseason.

Assuming the Knicks added the protections above, the rest makes perfect sense:

The Bulls would love a Top 3 pick; the BRK pick + their own makes it more likely. And, ballpark worst case scenario, you end up with a 5-7 pick and a 6-10 pick.

I doubt the report, but the Bulls should be on it if true.

[Davell]

I think we could dump Holiday and Grant without tanking any crap back. Really don't care what we get back as it isn't a burden.

So, why do it, unless you maximize it? Dropping them off the roster helps you lose games. But, if you add back the bad contract, it can actually help you win long-term.

The cap space we'll be using isn't getting used on long term pieces in 2018-2019. And if we DO want to spend it in 2019-2020, we can stretch it. We aren't actually going to be hampered by Noah's contract.

And it COULD net you a top 10 pick in a very solid draft. May only be 6-7 impact types, but I'd love to add a guy like Knox, one of the Bridges, or Carter, with a pick obtained by taking on Noah.

Or trade that pick, with the Pelican pick and wind up with 2 picks in the top 7.

No team is giving up a lottery pick just to dump salary. I also don't see the Bulls going into the luxury tax for a rebuilding team that is years away from contention. I'd be happy with just losing more game this year since none of those guys have a future here.

I tend to agree that a team isn't likely to give that up. But, there's that report out today saying the Knicks will. And we could send them Lopez, if they want something useful back.

No idea how trading for Noah puts you into the luxury tax. Even if you don't trade Lopez, and you give LaVine a long term deal. You may not have money for FA's, but your roster is mostly in place for next year.

[Pax for Prez]

With the article of the Knicks looking to move Noah with their 1st rd pick for salary relief, I was thinking what has been the largest salary dump and return in recent NBA history ......does anyone remember ???

Pax

[gobullschi]

Chicago Bulls Receive:
Tristan Thompson
Jae Crowder

Cleveland Cavaliers Receive:
Robin Lopez
Justin Holiday
Jerian Grant

Jae Crowder's value is down right now but I think he is a solid veteran small forward that fits perfectly for a rebuilding Bulls team. I could see his value increasing enough after a year of play to be flipped for a draft pick. I originally had the Bulls receiving a 1st round pick as well, but I think that might be a little too much value ... Thoughts?

PG: Kris Dunn | Jameer Nelson | Cameron Payne
SG: Zach LaVine | David Nwaba | Antonio Blakeney
SF: Jae Crowder | Denzel Valentine | Paul Zipser
PF: Lauri Markkanen | Bobby Portis
C: Tristan Thompson | Cristiano Felicio | Omer Asik

[bullsballer]

That creates a lot of $ tied up in a position that doesn't matter as much anymore, between Thompson, Asik, & Felicio. I like the Crowder idea.

[Nate3carp]

With the article of the Knicks looking to move Noah with their 1st rd pick for salary relief, I was thinking what has been the largest salary dump and return in recent NBA history ......does anyone remember ???

Pax

I don’t know if it’s the biggest, but the Jazz got 2 firsts and 2 seconds to take on Biedrins, Jefferson, and Rush so Golden State could sign Iguodala. That was $24 mil in salary for one year as they were all expiring.

[Chi town]

With the article of the Knicks looking to move Noah with their 1st rd pick for salary relief, I was thinking what has been the largest salary dump and return in recent NBA history ......does anyone remember ???

Pax

I don’t know if it’s the biggest, but the Jazz got 2 firsts and 2 seconds to take on Biedrins, Jefferson, and Rush so Golden State could sign Iguodala. That was $24 mil in salary for one year as they were all expiring.

Yep. And Nets just took on Mozgov for 2nd Pick DeAngelo Russell.

[Threekola]

Lopez for Noah + NYK 1st puts us in a pretty nice spot going forward.

Gives us approximately 62 million on the books for next year before our first round picks and signing LaVine or Nwaba. With three firsts as assets. So if a star becomes available we are in a position to pounce. And we could sign a max free agent.

Offseason after next even if we gave LaVine 20 million per year, we’d still be in a position to sign a max free agent.

[logical_art]

Chicago Bulls Receive:
Tristan Thompson
Jae Crowder

Cleveland Cavaliers Receive:
Robin Lopez
Justin Holiday
Jerian Grant

Jae Crowder's value is down right now but I think he is a solid veteran small forward that fits perfectly for a rebuilding Bulls team. I could see his value increasing enough after a year of play to be flipped for a draft pick. I originally had the Bulls receiving a 1st round pick as well, but I think that might be a little too much value ... Thoughts?

PG: Kris Dunn | Jameer Nelson | Cameron Payne
SG: Zach LaVine | David Nwaba | Antonio Blakeney
SF: Jae Crowder | Denzel Valentine | Paul Zipser
PF: Lauri Markkanen | Bobby Portis
C: Tristan Thompson | Cristiano Felicio | Omer Asik

No offense but awful. We're trying to lose games here, not win them with highly paid mediocre players who won't move the needle when we're finally ready to win.

[WindyCityBorn]

Chicago Bulls Receive:
Tristan Thompson
Jae Crowder

Cleveland Cavaliers Receive:
Robin Lopez
Justin Holiday
Jerian Grant

Jae Crowder's value is down right now but I think he is a solid veteran small forward that fits perfectly for a rebuilding Bulls team. I could see his value increasing enough after a year of play to be flipped for a draft pick. I originally had the Bulls receiving a 1st round pick as well, but I think that might be a little too much value ... Thoughts?

PG: Kris Dunn | Jameer Nelson | Cameron Payne
SG: Zach LaVine | David Nwaba | Antonio Blakeney
SF: Jae Crowder | Denzel Valentine | Paul Zipser
PF: Lauri Markkanen | Bobby Portis
C: Tristan Thompson | Cristiano Felicio | Omer Asik

No offense but awful. We're trying to lose games here, not win them with highly paid mediocre players who won't move the needle when we're finally ready to win.

Yeah adding guys like Crowder and Thompson(for multiple reasons) is a big no. Crowder is a big upgrade over Holiday and were are trying to lose.

[logical_art]

Chicago: Smith, Noah, Nets pick
NY : Crowder, Nelson
Cleveland gets: Lopez, Holiday, Grant, lower of Pelicans or Knicks pick

OR

Chicago: Shumpert, Noah, Nets pick
NY : Crowder, Nelson
Cleveland gets: Lopez, Holiday, Grant, higher of Pelicans or Knicks pick

[sco]

https://nypost.com/2018/02/01/inside-the-knicks-trade-deadline-strategy/

It’s no surprise, then, that the Knicks have interest in the Nets’ athletic defensive forward, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, 23, but The Post reported Brooklyn seeks a first-rounder.

Anyone willing to swap NO pick for RHJ? His evolution totally reminds me of Butler and a good guy to put next to Lavine.

I love this kid and would do it, but we don't know where the Pels pick will fall since it has little protection. If AD goes down with an injury it could be worth a ton.

Even if AD goes down, everyone below them is also racing for bottom. So it's not likely going to be top 10.

Nets still suck and have no pick, and RHJ isn't someone fans can "dream about", but I think he's a super glue guy.

[sco]

I'm thinking about Oubre...RoLo, Grant, Holiday and Pels pick?

Could we then max out Capella?

Dunn, Lavine, Oubre, Lauri, Capella - plus our #1 is a "rebuild done"

[ChiTownHero1992]

I'm thinking about Oubre...RoLo, Grant, Holiday and Pels pick?

Could we then max out Capella?

Dunn, Lavine, Oubre, Lauri, Capella - plus our #1 is a "rebuild done"

Only way that works is by taking back Ian Minhinmi's 3 16M per deal...then we still have 38M in C's and you want to max out Capella?

[sco]

I'm thinking about Oubre...RoLo, Grant, Holiday and Pels pick?

Could we then max out Capella?

Dunn, Lavine, Oubre, Lauri, Capella - plus our #1 is a "rebuild done"

Only way that works is by taking back Ian Minhinmi's 3 16M per deal...then we still have 38M in C's and you want to max out Capella?

Ok, how about RoLo, Holiday and Pels pick for Gortat, Frazier and Oubre?

We may be able to dump Gortat for a 2nd in the offseason. He's a very good back-up big who will be an expiring next year.

[ChiTownHero1992]

I'm thinking about Oubre...RoLo, Grant, Holiday and Pels pick?

Could we then max out Capella?

Dunn, Lavine, Oubre, Lauri, Capella - plus our #1 is a "rebuild done"

Only way that works is by taking back Ian Minhinmi's 3 16M per deal...then we still have 38M in C's and you want to max out Capella?

Ok, how about RoLo, Holiday and Pels pick for Gortat, Frazier and Oubre?

We may be able to dump Gortat for a 2nd in the offseason. He's a very good back-up big who will be an expiring next year.

I'm not sure WAS would consider that...we're arguably geting the 2 best players in the deal Gortat and Oubre. WAS is very high on Oubre and IMO RoLo/Gortat is pretty even swap...I don't think they believe a late 1st and Holiday would help them more than Oubre does.

I personally think there is no way to get Oubre over here, they are so high on him (ask any WAS fan and look at any time their GM or Owner talks about him) which is so unfortunate because I think he'd be a great fit for us.

[sco]

Only way that works is by taking back Ian Minhinmi's 3 16M per deal...then we still have 38M in C's and you want to max out Capella?

Ok, how about RoLo, Holiday and Pels pick for Gortat, Frazier and Oubre?

We may be able to dump Gortat for a 2nd in the offseason. He's a very good back-up big who will be an expiring next year.

I'm not sure WAS would consider that...we're arguably geting the 2 best players in the deal Gortat and Oubre. WAS is very high on Oubre and IMO RoLo/Gortat is pretty even swap...I don't think they believe a late 1st and Holiday would help them more than Oubre does.

I personally think there is no way to get Oubre over here, they are so high on him (ask any WAS fan and look at any time their GM or Owner talks about him) which is so unfortunate because I think he'd be a great fit for us.

I think Gortat is on the outs with mgmt...he's slowed down and fallen off this year. He's 4 years older than RoLo.

[erlim]

Trade 1:

Joakim Noah + Knicks 1st rounder to Bulls for Jerian Grant

Trade 2:

Justin Holiday + Robin Lopez + Knicks 1st + NO 1st to Cleveland for Channing Frye + Iman Shumpert + Brooklyn 1st

PG- Dunn/Payne/Blakeney
SG-Lavine/Valentine/Shumpert
SF-Zipser(fortankpurposes)/Nwaba/Shumpert
PF-Markkanen/Portis/Frye
C-Felicio/Noah/Asik

1st round picks: our own + Brooklyn

I'd like to have Channing Frye on the bulls because I enjoy his podcast and he'd start having Bulls players on. Also if Pax somehow gets two top five picks next year, we should errect a billboard that says "John Paxson deserves a kiss."

[Belf]

Lopez for Noah + NYK 1st puts us in a pretty nice spot going forward.

Gives us approximately 62 million on the books for next year before our first round picks and signing LaVine or Nwaba. With three firsts as assets. So if a star becomes available we are in a position to pounce. And we could sign a max free agent.

Offseason after next even if we gave LaVine 20 million per year, we’d still be in a position to sign a max free agent.

If I’m reading it right, Noah and Asik’s salary would fall off of our books at the perfect time to resign out young guys. Below is what our cap would look like in 2.5 years. Based on rounding, and guesses for some contract extensions.

Player..................2019-20................2020-21

Joakim Noah...........$19m..................
Zach LaVine............16m...................16m
Bobby Portis............8m....................8m
David Nwaba...........8m.....................8m
Cristiano Felicio.......8m.....................7.5m
Kris Dunn...............5m.....................RFA <—
Lauri Markkanen.......5m....................7m <—(RFA next season)
Denzel Valentine......3.5m..................RFA <—
Omer Asik..............3m(cut)..............
2018 CHI 1st rnd.......3.5m.................4m
2018 NOP 1st rnd......2m...................2.5m
2018 NYK 1st...........2.5m.................3m
2019 CHI 1st rnd.......2.5m.................3m
Guillermo Hernangomez....1.5m...........UFA<—

Total.....................$87.5m.............$59m

I used a 5 year $80 million contract for LaVine, and gave Portis and Nwaba the same deal Felicio got in RFA. Grant and Payne got cut. I didn’t include 2nd round draft picks or anything from future trades. You can see that we can make the cap situation work just fine if we take on Noah for their 1st. I wouldn’t anticipate getting Hernangomez back, but I included him so ya'll can see how he would fit in just in case. We should have more than enough money to sign Dunn and Valentine to deals when they hit RFA too and we should have enough to retain Lauri that next off season as well. Overall it seems like a decent plan.

[Yfncharles]

Since we're rebuilding and the tank is back in full effect I say Trade Rlopez &Jholiday for a late 1st then trade Jgrant for a 2nd shop feliceo whose owed 22mill or so over the next 3 seasons just to see if it's a market for him he'll take a late 1st from Portland for turner and harkless