2018 Draft Thread #6

[kodo]

Dunn looks pretty comparable to Mudiay who was dealt for a future 2nd rounder.

Dunn is quite plainly inferior to Elfrid Payton who was dealt for a 2nd rounder.

That such a player would impact who we draft in the top 10 in any way is absolutely absurd.

Yeah Dunn shouldn't affect who we pick. But he's not comparable to Mudiay.

Mudiay's development.
2nd year PPG: -15% 2nd year APG: -29%
3rd year PPG: -21% 3rd year APG: -21%

Dunn's development
2nd year PPG: +350% 2nd year APG: +254%

[TheSuzerain]

Skillset wise, I think Steve Nash is a pretty good comparison for Young. He really does check all the same boxes as Nash.

If Lauri is Dirk, then let's grab Nash too. Complete the set.

Downgraded from Curry to just Nash. Still not even close.

Yeah. HOF PG to HOF PG.

[WindyCityBorn]

Skillset wise, I think Steve Nash is a pretty good comparison for Young. He really does check all the same boxes as Nash.

If Lauri is Dirk, then let's grab Nash too. Complete the set.

Downgraded from Curry to just Nash. Still not even close.

Yeah. HOF PG to HOF PG.

Both are unrealistic projections and laughable.

[GimmeDat]

Steve Nash, in terms of play-style, is very, very different from Young.

[TheSuzerain]

Downgraded from Curry to just Nash. Still not even close.

Yeah. HOF PG to HOF PG.

Both are unrealistic projections and laughable.

Why? He has all the same natural talents that Nash did with some more on top of that.

Just a matter of if he'll put the time in.

[WindyCityBorn]

Yeah. HOF PG to HOF PG.

Both are unrealistic projections and laughable.

Why? He has all the same natural talents that Nash did with some more on top of that.

Just a matter of if he'll put the time in.

I don't ever see Young being one of the most efficient offensive players in NBA history or an MVP candidate. I mean stuff happens and no one saw it happening with Nash either, but I wouldn't bet on it. I'm legit terrified of ending up with Young on the Bulls as our "prize" for this season,

[TheSuzerain]

Steve Nash, in terms of play-style, is very, very different from Young.

Play-style is contextual and can change game-to-game.

Skillset is more permanent and unchanging in the short term.

Trae Young's skillset is reminiscent of Nash. Physically similar as well.

[GimmeDat]

Steve Nash, in terms of play-style, is very, very different from Young.

Play-style is contextual and can change game-to-game.

Skillset is more permanent and unchanging in the short term.

Trae Young's skillset is reminiscent of Nash. Physically similar as well.

There's definitely similarities in that regard but that just play so differently.. Nash was a lot more within himself and played the game very methodically, Young is a lot more score-1st and volatile. It would take a vast shift in approach to the game for him to start playing like Nash.

[DanTown8587]

Steve Nash, in terms of play-style, is very, very different from Young.

Play-style is contextual and can change game-to-game.

Skillset is more permanent and unchanging in the short term.

Trae Young's skillset is reminiscent of Nash. Physically similar as well.

Steve Nash was literally hesitant to score to a fault even though he was more than capable of doing it. Trae Young does not have that problem.

If you're trying to say Nash-in-Phoenix then no, Young is literally nothing like that. He doesn't probe like he does, he doesn't pass like he does, he doesn't know how to pick his spots like he does.

I mean are you even watching guys or just throwing names out there?

[TheSuzerain]

Steve Nash, in terms of play-style, is very, very different from Young.

Play-style is contextual and can change game-to-game.

Skillset is more permanent and unchanging in the short term.

Trae Young's skillset is reminiscent of Nash. Physically similar as well.

Steve Nash was literally hesitant to score to a fault even though he was more than capable of doing it. Trae Young does not have that problem.

If you're trying to say Nash-in-Phoenix then no, Young is literally nothing like that. He doesn't probe like he does, he doesn't pass like he does, he doesn't know how to pick his spots like he does.

I mean are you even watching guys or just throwing names out there?

Nash's Assist-Turnover ratio for his college career was worse than Trae's this year.

Stop holding a 19 year old to the standard of a fully developed pro. We're projecting them to the pros.

[NDave79]

LaVine’s shooting is criminally underrated it seems. I just can’t envision Young being a better scorer than LaVine all things considered. And people on this board are frustrated with LaVine’s empty stats - I can’t imagine Young being any better.

He might be a better shooter, but scorer? Nah. LaVine has the height. LaVine can make a quick step from the top of the key and get all the way to the basket and finish past 3 NBA defenders. I haven't seen that from Trae.

Yeah, he’s so tiny. I can’t see him doing anything at the rim in the NBA.

It's fairly silly to debate this as the combine will answer these questions, but I think Trae is going to measure out a little bigger than most people expect. If you go back and look at PG sizes, a lot of them are kinda small. Here is a list of basically all relatively successful PG's measurements (height without shoes, weight and wingspan) from the last decade or so (at least the ones I could find with measurements).

Dennis Schroder 6' 1'' 164.8 6' 7.75''

Damian Lillard 6' 1.75'' 188.8 6' 7.75''

Isaiah Thomas 5' 8.75'' 186.0 6' 1.75''

Kemba Walker 5' 11.5'' 184.0 6' 3.5''

Kyrie Irving 6' 1.75'' 191.0 6' 4''

Eric Bledsoe 6' 0.25'' 191.6 6' 7.5''

John Wall 6' 2.75'' 195.6 6' 9.25''

Stephen Curry 6' 2'' 181.0 6' 3.5''

Patty Mills PG 5' 11.2 175.4 6' 2''

Ty Lawson PG 5' 11.25" 196.6 6' 0.75''

Jeff Teague 6' 0.25'' 175.2 6' 7.5''

Darren Collison 6' 0.25' 166.2 6' 3''

Jrue Holiday 6' 3.25'' 199.0 6' 7''

Before college, Draftexpress listed his measurements from some camp at 6'2" (with shoes, so in comparison let's say 6'1"), a 6'4" wingspan and 180 and change.

Almost 2 years ago (more like 20 months) he was measured at 6'1.5" with a 6'2.5" wingspan.

http://ukrecruiting.bloginky.com/2016/06/18/official-measurements-for-uk-basketball-targets/

Here is a picture with Tyrone Lue who was apparently 6'0" without shoes.

http://forums.hoopshype.com/forums/index.php?topic=10448.0;wap2



Again, this will all be moot once measurements are actually released; I just think Trae's lack of size has been made a bigger deal than it actually is. I'm not trying to say he's huge or anything, I just think his size falls into more of an average area (probably slightly below average) than a big weakness.

And just for fun (since I've already devoted a long post about measurements, lol) here are a couple more links with some measurements of upcoming draftees.

http://d1vision.com/nike-hoop-summit-usa-measurements/

https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kentucky-uk-basketball-pro-day-measurements-heights-vertical

[Leslie Forman]

Physically, Trae Young is basically identical to Kyrie Irving when he came out, yet nobody questioned Irving as a #1 pick. Yet Curry, who was also pretty much the same size, and now Young are being criticized for it at a level Irving never was.

Let's be honest, if Young was dark skinned and didn't look like a prematurely balding elf, his size and athleticism wouldn't be questioned nearly as much.

[DanTown8587]

Physically, Trae Young is basically identical to Kyrie Irving when he came out, yet nobody questioned Irving as a #1 pick. Yet Curry, who was also pretty much the same size, and now Young are being criticized for it at a level Irving never was.

Let's be honest, if Young was dark skinned and didn't look like a prematurely balding elf, his size and athleticism wouldn't be questioned nearly as much.

Kyrie has a much better handle and ability to finish through contact. I have no problem with his athleticism but his handle is no where close to where Kyrie was and that made Kyrie such a dynamic prospect.

[DanTown8587]

Play-style is contextual and can change game-to-game.

Skillset is more permanent and unchanging in the short term.

Trae Young's skillset is reminiscent of Nash. Physically similar as well.

Steve Nash was literally hesitant to score to a fault even though he was more than capable of doing it. Trae Young does not have that problem.

If you're trying to say Nash-in-Phoenix then no, Young is literally nothing like that. He doesn't probe like he does, he doesn't pass like he does, he doesn't know how to pick his spots like he does.

I mean are you even watching guys or just throwing names out there?

Nash's Assist-Turnover ratio for his college career was worse than Trae's this year.

Stop holding a 19 year old to the standard of a fully developed pro. We're projecting them to the pros.

One, you're not comparing what you saw of Nash at Santa Clara to what Young looks like now. That was nearly 25 years and before the era of video scouting so stop that bull right now.

Two, stop comparing and using pro names to compare players.

Three, you can't really compare players at the same age and say "well guy X was here" because guys progress throughout their careers at different stages. Lenny Cooke was a better basketball recruit than LeBron James according to many. Every person in the world would have bet on the career of OJ Mayo over Jimmy Butler and they were in the same high school class. Comparing two prospects to each other is such a variance that it's useless.

[Red Larrivee]

If Young wasn't flustered by the slightest bit of contact or had more lift, I don't think the lack of size would matter as much.

[Red Larrivee]

Stop holding a 19 year old to the standard of a fully developed pro. We're projecting them to the pros.

Come on, you can't say "Skillset wise, I think Steve Nash is a pretty good comparison for Young," and then say this. You are holding him to the standard of Nash.

[boozapalooza]

Dunn looks pretty comparable to Mudiay who was dealt for a future 2nd rounder.

Dunn is quite plainly inferior to Elfrid Payton who was dealt for a 2nd rounder.

That such a player would impact who we draft in the top 10 in any way is absolutely absurd.

Are you serious? Thats flat out insulting to Dunn to say hes inferior to Elfrid Payton and even calling him comparable to Mudiay? How? Hes already shown in his time this year hes a better player than those guys. Great defender, really good passer, and an evolving offensive game. Shot the ball far better than most expected. He missed some time with the concussion, you may have suffered one as well, and you may have forgotten how good he was in the first half of this season. Does that mean we pass up Trae Young or a guard if they are BPA? Not at all. But hes gotta be a part of this team moving forward, unless hes dealt as a main piece in a package for a star (Kahwi). His trade value is immensely higher than Payton or Mudiay. If he can build upon how he played in the first half of the season, he shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys. To not be pleased with what we’ve seen from him...come on

[Hangtime84]

Physically, Trae Young is basically identical to Kyrie Irving when he came out, yet nobody questioned Irving as a #1 pick. Yet Curry, who was also pretty much the same size, and now Young are being criticized for it at a level Irving never was.

Let's be honest, if Young was dark skinned and didn't look like a prematurely balding elf, his size and athleticism wouldn't be questioned nearly as much.

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[Dresden]

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[Thebullsgod1993]

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