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Post#541 » by Andi Obst » Wed Sep 9, 2020 3:41 pm

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Little Nathan wrote:McMillan and Donovan are definitely not on the level of the other guys you mentioned IMO. Toronto isn't nearly as dangerous with one of them instead of Nurse. I think you can definitely do better, but I obviously can't tell if one of the candidates actually will be better.


Unlike with players, you can never really tell how much impact coaches have. Personally, I think swapping out any of the top 15 coaches with each other likely means less than 2 games win difference on the season unless there is just a major personality conflict.


Disagree. Few coaches show as much tactical variety as the top guys (Nurse and Stevens IMO). The Raptors regularly throw like 5 different defensive schemes at their opponents in just one game. McMillan is fine, but if you have him figured out once, you win. There's a clear difference to me.
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Post#542 » by Ebo21 » Wed Sep 9, 2020 4:35 pm

We should be excited for the first time in a long time when it comes to coaching hires. There are actually a lot of good available options. I can’t think of a time when there was a coaching crop this deep m and then combine that with the fresh air of AK we are as attractive as any other “winning” organization with an opening.
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Bulls' passing on her would be a huge mistake, don't you think?
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Post#545 » by Jeffster81 » Wed Sep 9, 2020 4:56 pm

Billy Donovan is option A through Y for me. Everybody else is option Z. I don't know if the Bulls can land him, that's up to AKME, but if they can....wowsa. I don't know how anybody, with a straight face, can say they would prefer an assistant over Donovan. What the Bulls need is to get back to respectability/relevancy. People here sure love talking about landing prime talent via trades or free agency, but you're not going to do that unless the Bulls are relevant. Billy Donovan gets the Bulls back on track to become relevant again.

Again, I don't know if the Bulls can land him but you don't know if you have a chance or not unless you throw your name into the hat.
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Post#546 » by Chi town » Wed Sep 9, 2020 5:50 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:Billy Donovan is option A through Y for me. Everybody else is option Z. I don't know if the Bulls can land him, that's up to AKME, but if they can....wowsa. I don't know how anybody, with a straight face, can say they would prefer an assistant over Donovan. What the Bulls need is to get back to respectability/relevancy. People here sure love talking about landing prime talent via trades or free agency, but you're not going to do that unless the Bulls are relevant. Billy Donovan gets the Bulls back on track to become relevant again.

Again, I don't know if the Bulls can land him but you don't know if you have a chance or not unless you throw your name into the hat.


Why does Donavan make us relevant?

What's so special about him? Offensive scheme? Defensive scheme?

What big FA's signed in OKC?

Why did Durant and then Russ leave? Why did none beg to stay with Billy?

Is Billy legit based solely on Presti?
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Post#547 » by nitetrain8603 » Wed Sep 9, 2020 5:54 pm

Chi town wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:Billy Donovan is option A through Y for me. Everybody else is option Z. I don't know if the Bulls can land him, that's up to AKME, but if they can....wowsa. I don't know how anybody, with a straight face, can say they would prefer an assistant over Donovan. What the Bulls need is to get back to respectability/relevancy. People here sure love talking about landing prime talent via trades or free agency, but you're not going to do that unless the Bulls are relevant. Billy Donovan gets the Bulls back on track to become relevant again.

Again, I don't know if the Bulls can land him but you don't know if you have a chance or not unless you throw your name into the hat.


Why does Donavan make us relevant?

What's so special about him? Offensive scheme? Defensive scheme?

What big FA's signed in OKC?

Why did Durant and then Russ leave? Why did none beg to stay with Billy?

Is Billy legit based solely on Presti?


I don't know if anything other than winning makes us relevant. I also don't know what's so special about Billy Donovan other than the job he did this year, but you could also say that was CP3. To ask OKC to attract FAs is not fair. They will never attract FAs there. At the same time, Presti did bring in Paul George. He knows how to flip assets.

Durant left to ring chase. Russ didn't want to leave. He resigned. OKC was going to blow it up. Their whole plan was to get Russ' deal off the books, then flip CP3 by the trade deadline.
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Post#548 » by MrFortune3 » Wed Sep 9, 2020 6:13 pm

FriedRise wrote:Teams that are still looking for a head coach:

Philly - 2 stars in Embiid, Simmons
Indiana - 2 all stars in Sabonis and Oladipo
New Orleans - ZION, MIP winner in Ingram
Chicago - almost All Star in Zach LaVine, almost All NBA Defensive Team in Kris Dunn (a bench player)

The expectations and pressure in Philly to win now will be pretty high despite the roster fit issue. Indiana made the playoffs with Oladipo missing 50+ games and are looking to take that next step. New Orleans had an injury ridden season but Ingram and Zion looked pretty good despite only playing a handful of games.

Chicago can only muster 22 wins 2 seasons in a row.

Yeah I'd estimate that we're well at the bottom of that list in terms of having a roster that's ready to compete. I'd be shocked (though ecstatic) if we can somehow lure Donovan here. I think the more realistic chance is still one of these assistant coaches looking for their first opportunity.


I think that Donovan's issue with OKC was more about not knowing where the rebuild was going to land and who would make up his roster, obviously you'd have SGA but the talk of them dealing away CP3, Adams, Schroeder and etc to rebuild doesn't appeal to him.

For the Bulls, he might view it as knowing he's going to have LaVine with the chance to coach and develop others like Coby, Lauri and WCJ + the #4 draft pick.
He already knows what he's getting into in this scenario.

I would imagine that NO or Philly would be the most appealing for win now but Philly is going to be the same issue as OKC, roster construction like they had with Russ and PG13.
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Post#549 » by othawhitemeat » Wed Sep 9, 2020 6:27 pm

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Jeffster81 wrote:Billy Donovan is option A through Y for me. Everybody else is option Z. I don't know if the Bulls can land him, that's up to AKME, but if they can....wowsa. I don't know how anybody, with a straight face, can say they would prefer an assistant over Donovan. What the Bulls need is to get back to respectability/relevancy. People here sure love talking about landing prime talent via trades or free agency, but you're not going to do that unless the Bulls are relevant. Billy Donovan gets the Bulls back on track to become relevant again.

Again, I don't know if the Bulls can land him but you don't know if you have a chance or not unless you throw your name into the hat.


Why does Donavan make us relevant?

What's so special about him? Offensive scheme? Defensive scheme?

What big FA's signed in OKC?

Why did Durant and then Russ leave? Why did none beg to stay with Billy?

Is Billy legit based solely on Presti?


I don't know if anything other than winning makes us relevant. I also don't know what's so special about Billy Donovan other than the job he did this year, but you could also say that was CP3. To ask OKC to attract FAs is not fair. They will never attract FAs there. At the same time, Presti did bring in Paul George. He knows how to flip assets.

Durant left to ring chase. Russ didn't want to leave. He resigned. OKC was going to blow it up. Their whole plan was to get Russ' deal off the books, then flip CP3 by the trade deadline.


I mean I don't think Donovan is some NBA basketball savant like a Pop, up and comer like a Nick Nurse, Carlisle, Spo, or Brad Stevens, but I do think he matches what we need and what AK seems to want. AK seems to want a winning culture that develops players. Billy Donovan is a pretty big name, seems to be in that next tier of good coaches, is a very successful coach in terms of college programs so he can develop talent, and seems likeable. Also, while right about CP3, coaching Westbrook has to be very difficult. No one doubts Russ' energy, but he is a very self-focused player too. All of his Florida teams played fast paced while also being about defense. Build a team with high iq, 2 ways players, and I would love to see how he does. His teams have not flopped in the NBA even though most have not been similar to what he did at Florida.
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Post#550 » by Chi town » Wed Sep 9, 2020 9:09 pm

othawhitemeat wrote:
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Chi town wrote:
Why does Donavan make us relevant?

What's so special about him? Offensive scheme? Defensive scheme?

What big FA's signed in OKC?

Why did Durant and then Russ leave? Why did none beg to stay with Billy?

Is Billy legit based solely on Presti?


I don't know if anything other than winning makes us relevant. I also don't know what's so special about Billy Donovan other than the job he did this year, but you could also say that was CP3. To ask OKC to attract FAs is not fair. They will never attract FAs there. At the same time, Presti did bring in Paul George. He knows how to flip assets.

Durant left to ring chase. Russ didn't want to leave. He resigned. OKC was going to blow it up. Their whole plan was to get Russ' deal off the books, then flip CP3 by the trade deadline.


I mean I don't think Donovan is some NBA basketball savant like a Pop, up and comer like a Nick Nurse, Carlisle, Spo, or Brad Stevens, but I do think he matches what we need and what AK seems to want. AK seems to want a winning culture that develops players. Billy Donovan is a pretty big name, seems to be in that next tier of good coaches, is a very successful coach in terms of college programs so he can develop talent, and seems likeable. Also, while right about CP3, coaching Westbrook has to be very difficult. No one doubts Russ' energy, but he is a very self-focused player too. All of his Florida teams played fast paced while also being about defense. Build a team with high iq, 2 ways players, and I would love to see how he does. His teams have not flopped in the NBA even though most have not been similar to what he did at Florida.


I'd agree. I think he's below the elites you listed. He's the Mike Malone of coaches which is a massive upgrade over Jimbo.
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Post#551 » by weneeda2guard » Wed Sep 9, 2020 9:20 pm

Betonline.ag has Billy donovan as the odds on favorite to become the bulls next head coach
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Post#552 » by Michael Jackson » Wed Sep 9, 2020 9:42 pm

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Don’t know. It might be genius if she is as good as she is estimated to be, but she might also just be a media train wreck if she isn’t. Knowing you have to answer to Pop while she is at the helm for a game is different than if she is the only voice in the room. A mature team I think it works, a young team that has had trouble with coaches like the Bulls may not be her best fit.
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Post#553 » by rmlsr » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:30 am

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So does Bradley Beal and Donovan have the same agent?
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Post#554 » by Jcool0 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:52 am

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So does Bradley Beal and Donovan have the same agent?


No idea but he coached him at Florida.
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Post#555 » by jkudia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:52 am

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Someone mentioned earlier in the thread maybe they had backroom discussions for Beal if they got Billy D. That would make the most sense the way the NBA currently operates.
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Post#556 » by Chicagoat » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:07 am

I am kind of mixed on McMillian and Donovan. The Pacers and OKC fan did not seem to think they were great coaches(good but not great) and they never had much success as a team with them in helm.

I know it's more risky but we would have more success with Atkinson or maybe one of the top assistant coaches. Who knows, me might find our next Thibs. I just hate the idea of taking another retread coach hoping for better results.
AKME? More like MEAK with how they're afraid to make a move to push us in one direction.

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Post#558 » by JimmyButler21 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:37 am

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Bulls' passing on her would be a huge mistake, don't you think?

Is she's the best candidate, I'm all for hiring her. But I just don't see that and don't see how it would be a huge mistake if they pass on her.
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Post#559 » by Jcool0 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:42 am

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What yall think about Chauncey?


Didnt he put his name out there a few years ago about wanting to be a GM/President and got no takers?
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Post#560 » by Red8911 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:23 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:I think it's likely that we get Chris Paul and even Donovan.

At least we should be looking at that.

Paul would be nice but one guy I want from OKC badly is Steven Adams. Bulls could really use a big center like him, he would make a huge difference.

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