Way too early NBA draft thread 2021

[StunnerKO]

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[Almost Retired]

Wagner is just a baller.

Isaiah Livers would be a good round 2 pick. Flat out sniper.

Livers is playing himself into the early 2nd and potentially late 1st. As you said pure sniper. 46% from deep this year. at 6-8 not many guys are going to contest his shot . He's contesting much better defensively, fighting over screens, and has an NBA ready body. Definitely concerns about his lateral quickness against threes and ability to put it on the floor but he can flat shoot. Someone will take a gamble on him.

Not too long ago one of the Mock Draft websites had us taking him with our 2nd round pick.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

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Superstar potential. Top 10 player in the league potential.

[DuckIII]

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Wow! That’s an impressive looking player.

[TheSuzerain]

I think Green is very similar to Lavine in style, talent, and likely weaknesses at that age.

Problem he may have is that it's a very difficult style to translate to actual positive impact on the court. This is probably the first year Lavine has pulled it off and it has required him to put up some preposterously good shooting percentages.

[Almost Retired]

I think Green is very similar to Lavine in style, talent, and likely weaknesses at that age.

Problem he may have is that it's a very difficult style to translate to actual positive impact on the court. This is probably the first year Lavine has pulled it off and it has required him to put up some preposterously good shooting percentages.

Your takes on talent are usually spot on. Say we pick at #18 in the First Round and we keep our second rounder. Who are your two favorite best case scenario possibilities from both slots and why do you like them?

[TheSuzerain]

I think Green is very similar to Lavine in style, talent, and likely weaknesses at that age.

Problem he may have is that it's a very difficult style to translate to actual positive impact on the court. This is probably the first year Lavine has pulled it off and it has required him to put up some preposterously good shooting percentages.

Your takes on talent are usually spot on. Say we pick at #18 in the First Round and we keep our second rounder. Who are your two favorite best case scenario possibilities from both slots and why do you like them?

#18 is very difficult to project because you can't predict who is going to be there like you can sort of try to do for 6-10 and obviously 1-5.

Keon
Wagner
Sengun
Springer

^ any of the above would be a HR pick in the middle of the 1st imo.

If those guys are gone, I wonder if you consider Sharife Cooper.

[Am2626]

I think Green is very similar to Lavine in style, talent, and likely weaknesses at that age.

Problem he may have is that it's a very difficult style to translate to actual positive impact on the court. This is probably the first year Lavine has pulled it off and it has required him to put up some preposterously good shooting percentages.

Your takes on talent are usually spot on. Say we pick at #18 in the First Round and we keep our second rounder. Who are your two favorite best case scenario possibilities from both slots and why do you like them?

#18 is very difficult to project because you can't predict who is going to be there like you can sort of try to do for 6-10 and obviously 1-5.

Keon
Wagner
Sengun
Springer

^ any of the above would be a HR pick in the middle of the 1st imo.

If those guys are gone, I wonder if you consider Sharife Cooper.

I don’t think it is a forgone conclusion that the Bulls are going to be in the playoffs and would be picking 18. They have a tough schedule coming up. Even if they get into the play in games if they lose they are back in the lottery. The Bulls also have a complement of guys that they can use to move up in the draft. I don’t think the Bulls would be able to move into the top 5 but 6-10 should be possible. The 2 guys from Tennessee look really good, Springer and Keon.

[No-Man]

I think the Bulls most likely pick gonna be 9-11th, in that range the best prospect likely available for me is going to Ziaire Williams

I think if you poll a consensus, NBA teams would come up with this top10 as of now

Cade
Mobley
Kuminga
Green
Suggs
Keon
Bouknight
Barnes
Moody
Kispert

I'd take Ziaire over Moody and Kispert personally, Moody would be fine in that range too

[TheSuzerain]

Ziare has been so bad in college. It's concerning.

[DroseReturnChi]

Not for us unfortunately but a little Cade video for your weekend viewing

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this is just so dumb. another yr Bulls miss out on a guaranteed superstar hard to root for.
Is making playoffs really that better than missing out on a chance to get Cade? I feel you can really tank top 5 while keeping Lavine only and cleaning house. Cade is a Ben Simmons type so dont really even have to tank anymore. Great talent would take him over Lavine easily. Consensus number 1 pick in one of the strongest drafts.

[HouseOfLight]

CC has nothing in common with Simmons aside from them both being tall, light skinned black men who play point forward. CCs comparison has always been a mixture of Magic & Brandon Roy

[HouseOfLight]

Big fat ROFL @ Jalen Green having anything in common with Zach LaVine coming into the NBA. What? Zach LaVine was a nobody; some outlier athlete who got taken in the teens (which most draft junkies considered too high) in hopes that he would possibly develop some basketball skills, because aside from being one of the greatest athletic specimens in modern human history, he had ZERO discernible basketball skills. None whatsoever. Couldn’t pass, defend, finish layups, handle, nothing. He could dunk & his shot had good form, and that’s literally about it. His improvements, especially coming off of an ACL tear, have been nothing short of bizarre & unprecedented

Jalen Green is one of the greatest SG prospects of all time, is highly skilled in many facets of the game already, and will be expected to put up big scoring #s on day one in the NBA. The dude is projected to go top 5 in an all-time great draft class, for crying out loud. To imply that he and ZLV were even remotely similar coming into the league is completely hilarious, I had to do a double take when I read that lol. Green right now is closer to ZLV right now than he is to ZLV as a rookie, that’s how big the talent gap is between the two players @ age 18/19

[othawhitemeat]

I think Green is very similar to Lavine in style, talent, and likely weaknesses at that age.

Problem he may have is that it's a very difficult style to translate to actual positive impact on the court. This is probably the first year Lavine has pulled it off and it has required him to put up some preposterously good shooting percentages.

Your takes on talent are usually spot on. Say we pick at #18 in the First Round and we keep our second rounder. Who are your two favorite best case scenario possibilities from both slots and why do you like them?

#18 is very difficult to project because you can't predict who is going to be there like you can sort of try to do for 6-10 and obviously 1-5.

Keon
Wagner
Sengun
Springer

^ any of the above would be a HR pick in the middle of the 1st imo.

If those guys are gone, I wonder if you consider Sharife Cooper.

Of that list, I ike Springer and Sengun for pick 18. For pick 18, I like players that unless someone uniquely talented falls without character questions, think you can find a good solid all around player, but slides because they are too experienced (meaning too old to draft). However, the Brogdons, Haliburtons, Bey's, and Desmond Bane's of world fall because they are safe and not projected with high upside.

Players I like

- Springer you mentioned
- Sengun

Players I feel like he can be similar to above
1) Ayo Dosunmu - 6'5 combo guard that has shown a better shot this year, has gotten much stronger, good team character, leader, can create, fast in fast break, solid d, high iq, can pass, etc... Not an explosive athlete and does not shoot a ton of 3 pointers, but has those intangibles.
2) Jared Butler/Davion Mitchell - both solid at everything and 6'3 combo guards. Good glue guy type players.

2nd round

1) Weiscamp from Iowa
2) Livers from Michigan
3) Bassey from Western KY
4) Sarr from Kentucky

I don't know enough about international players to comment.

[Leslie Forman]

I think Green is very similar to Lavine in style, talent, and likely weaknesses at that age.

Problem he may have is that it's a very difficult style to translate to actual positive impact on the court. This is probably the first year Lavine has pulled it off and it has required him to put up some preposterously good shooting percentages.

Yeah the get buckets, do nothing else archetype is generally really overrated in terms of impact. That said, I get encouraged by some of his highlights where he's going inside and appears to actually be looking for contact (something Zach even now really doesn't do). So I wonder if there's some more dog in him that could be untapped.

But that might be false hope and he may just be a gunner. Maybe he adds a little playmaking ability, but I haven't seen too much in that regard. So I wouldn't be surprised if he goes fifth in that tight top-5 group. Everyone else in that bunch seems to be a more well-rounded player.

In a draft as strong as this one, this is all nitpicking though. He's still a great prospect and would have far and away been the #1 pick in last year's draft.

Big fat ROFL @ Jalen Green having anything in common with Zach LaVine coming into the NBA. What? Zach LaVine was a nobody; some outlier athlete who got taken in the teens (which most draft junkies considered too high) in hopes that he would possibly develop some basketball skills, because aside from being one of the greatest athletic specimens in modern human history, he had ZERO discernible basketball skills. None whatsoever. Couldn’t pass, defend, finish layups, handle, nothing. He could dunk & his shot had good form, and that’s literally about it. His improvements, especially coming off of an ACL tear, have been nothing short of bizarre & unprecedented

Green is obviously well ahead of LaVine at the same age, but as a player archetype they are in a simlar vein. And if LaVine was such an unskilled nobody that could just jump, he wouldn't have been picked so high. He obviously showed serious talent in workouts to get picked that high after such an underwhelming college season. Minnesota even thought he had the skill to play the point (they were obviously wrong, but something led them to think it).

Completely unskilled freak athletes don't get picked that high. Look at Derrick Jones or Hamidou Diallo. And then look at the guys even less skilled than them who don't play a single game in the league.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Green has a much larger frame than Zach, especially at that age. I think he projects as a much better defender. And he’s already scoring at all three levels.

Other than scoring basically anywhere he wants to, I don’t see much else in comparison with Lavine.

He’s closer to Edwards than Lavine IMO, except he projects better than Edwards. Edwards gets drafted after him in this draft IMO.

[Chi town]

I think Green is very similar to Lavine in style, talent, and likely weaknesses at that age.

Problem he may have is that it's a very difficult style to translate to actual positive impact on the court. This is probably the first year Lavine has pulled it off and it has required him to put up some preposterously good shooting percentages.

Green is light years ahead as a defender. He’s probably close to NBA average right now. Zach was like Trae young level worst in the league.

[Chi town]

Ziare has been so bad in college. It's concerning.

Basically Reddish territory

[TheSuzerain]

I think Green is very similar to Lavine in style, talent, and likely weaknesses at that age.

Problem he may have is that it's a very difficult style to translate to actual positive impact on the court. This is probably the first year Lavine has pulled it off and it has required him to put up some preposterously good shooting percentages.

Green is light years ahead as a defender. He’s probably close to NBA average right now. Zach was like Trae young level worst in the league.

We'll see I suppose. Saying he's already NBA average seems pretty wild given his frame and average wingspan. He's almost certainly below average without a heck of a lot of defensive upside barring some insane instincts that haven't shown themselves.

But so long as he can't be targeted defensively (see: Kemba vs Heat), it's not that big of a deal. Whether he can playmake or not in the NBA is the question for Jalen Green.

[TheSuzerain]

Green has a much larger frame than Zach, especially at that age. I think he projects as a much better defender. And he’s already scoring at all three levels.

Other than scoring basically anywhere he wants to, I don’t see much else in comparison with Lavine.

He’s closer to Edwards than Lavine IMO, except he projects better than Edwards. Edwards gets drafted after him in this draft IMO.

wait he has a much larger frame than Lavine? Are we talking about the same person?

Edwards is the one in a different weight class.