Lauri Markkanen Discussion Thread: PT 2

[ZOMG]

When the player didn't succeed in a Chicago Bulls uniform, he will not succeed outside of it.

[GoBlue72391]

Markkanen. We all had 4 years to see what he can do. It wasn't much.

He just knows how to shoot.
Can't defend.
Can't rebound.
Low energy.
Can't take anyone one on one.
Can dunk on teammates in practice with ease though.
Poor court vision.

Expendable. Replaceable. Maybe he can turn it around in a new location, but I highly doubt it. When the player didn't succeed in a Chicago Bulls uniform, he will not succeed outside of it. Good luck, kid.

I mean, there's like half a dozen or more players around the league who disprove that, but yeah, sure.

[The Box Office]

Markkanen. We all had 4 years to see what he can do. It wasn't much.

He just knows how to shoot.
Can't defend.
Can't rebound.
Low energy.
Can't take anyone one on one.
Can dunk on teammates in practice with ease though.
Poor court vision.

Expendable. Replaceable. Maybe he can turn it around in a new location, but I highly doubt it. When the player didn't succeed in a Chicago Bulls uniform, he will not succeed outside of it. Good luck, kid.

I mean, there's like half a dozen or more players around the league who disprove that, but yeah, sure.

I went over this in a different thread. But yeah, this is the last of the Lauri Markkanen Defense Force. Say what you want before Lauri leaves. Get your shots in. Any last words? What do you have to say of Lauri this year and the previous 3 years?

Remember, Coach Billy Donovan is here next season. The same coach who benched him this year. AKME is going to let Lauri stick around another season after what transpired this season?

Since 2000, who succeeded after they left Chicago? I can only think of Jimmy Butler, and maybe Derrick Rose. Again, I said if they did not succeed in a Chicago Bulls uniform, they do not succeed outside of it.

Technically, Jimmy Butler and Derrick Rose succeeded here. So they both do not count according to my statement. So who did not have success here, but went on to flourish somewhere else? Name names. There is only one I can think of, and that's Tyson Chandler. Because he went on to become the defensive anchor for the world champion Dallas Mavs with Nowitzki. Chandler didn't do that when he was here.

Scottie Pippen? He doesn't count because he succeeded in a Chicago Bulls uni.
Michael Jordan? He doesn't count either.
Joakim Noah? He succeeded big time when he was with us.

These guys didn't do much once they left us:
Ben Gordon
Kirk Hinrich
Luol Deng
Tyrus Thomas
Ben Wallace. (was already super washed anyway)
Larry Hughes
John Salmons
Ronnie Brewer
Carlos Boozer
Marcus Fizer.
Andres Nocioni.
Thabo Sefolosha.
Nate Robinson.
DJ Augustin.
Tony Snell.
Mike Dunleavy.
Taj Gibson.
Marquis Teague.
Chris Duhon.
Rip Hamilton.
Jimmer Fredette (LMAO)
Nikola Mirotic

This really depends on your definition of success when they were here. But eh, I'm tired of getting into this. You can say whatever you want.

Let's get back to Lauri. Simply put, he didn't achieve anything major. He's replaceable and we're not losing much. He's a big let down to many of you. Not me. I didn't think much of him when we drafted Lauri. I gave him a chance for his entire rookie year. Yeah, maybe we had something with the kid.

His 2nd year came. I gave up on him by the time All Star break. I freakin' gave up on him. He did the same crap every game. Rinse and repeat.

[Leslie Forman]

Four years in now, and he's improved exactly 0% in all of these areas

Watch on YouTube

[Wingy]

Thanks for the 17 pts in the meaningless tank loss Lauri. Actually wouldn’t mind you back on a modest deal, but that’s not happening in this weak FA class.

[Louri]

Clutch last 3 games to get 3p% over 40. Time for Spurs to get that new starting PF.

[sco]

It was interesting that Stacey said the Bulls will bring Lauri back, after excluding him from all "future of the Bulls" talk over the past month or so. Does he know something or was he just talking out of his ass?

Ass.

Maybe, hopefully, but I do wonder if there is a scenario with Ball likely staying/going to NY, and Lauri only getting offers in the $13-$15M range if they match.

[sco]

Clutch last 3 games to get 3p% over 40. Time for Spurs to get that new starting PF.

I think the Spurs go after Olynyk...dude is such a perfect Pop guy.

[PaKii94]

Four years in now, and he's improved exactly 0% in all of these areas

Watch on YouTube

That's a really good breakdown of Lauri's weaknesses actually. Looking at the footage they give, he has VASTLY improved on most of those things. We can debate if it's enough improvement for the NBA level (imo enough to have a role in the league but still could improve) OR if the rate of improvement is poor (i'd agree with it. I was hoping for quicker improvement) but it'd be disingenuous to say he has improved 0%. The main weakness that is hard to improve is rim protection but I've always said he's a poor rim protector due to his length.

[DuckIII]

It was interesting that Stacey said the Bulls will bring Lauri back, after excluding him from all "future of the Bulls" talk over the past month or so. Does he know something or was he just talking out of his ass?

Ass.

Maybe, hopefully, but I do wonder if there is a scenario with Ball likely staying/going to NY, and Lauri only getting offers in the $13-$15M range if they match.

If he gets a good (for the Bulls) deal on the market and his money is not needed to sign a higher priority free agent, the Bulls should match so as to still be able to trade him. Or to hope that he turns it around, which is basically a pipe dream. But could he be good enough to trade on $15 million deal? Possibly.

[Swuul]

It was interesting that Stacey said the Bulls will bring Lauri back, after excluding him from all "future of the Bulls" talk over the past month or so. Does he know something or was he just talking out of his ass?

I think Stacey has learned Lauri is taking the QO, if Bulls offer it. Bulls would get Lauri for one year for a bit under $10mio, Lauri would be guaranteed (taking the QO would give him the veto if Bulls attempted to trade him) to stay in Chicago for one more year (he really really likes the city), plus Lauri would have honorably (according to Finnish code of honor) stuck out with his agreement with Bulls.

[Tetlak]

I am obviously anti-Lauri, but I will give him credit - he did improve a bit this season. For the first time in his career he is able to score in the post against mismatches, his team defense has gotten a bit better, and for the first time in his career he performed like a legitimate shooter.

He's clearly not worth what he's going to get, but just wanted to point those things out. Good for him. I wish him success wherever he goes.

[sco]

It was interesting that Stacey said the Bulls will bring Lauri back, after excluding him from all "future of the Bulls" talk over the past month or so. Does he know something or was he just talking out of his ass?

I think Stacey has learned Lauri is taking the QO, if Bulls offer it. Bulls would get Lauri for one year for a bit under $10mio, Lauri would be guaranteed (taking the QO would give him the veto if Bulls attempted to trade him) to stay in Chicago for one more year (he really really likes the city), plus Lauri would have honorably (according to Finnish code of honor) stuck out with his agreement with Bulls.

That would be something, if he did sign the QO. I did want to go on record commending Lauri and his handlers for handling his situation this season with professionalism.

So if Lauri accepts the QO, doe that impact our ability to resign our other FA's like Theis, Green and Temple?

[sami71]

(according to Finnish code of honor)

While Lauri is pretty much the first NBA player Finland has ever sent over, we can conclude from other pro-sports that there is no such thing. Finns have not been any different from others in the NHL for example. Lauri is as good as gone if either side knows what's good for them. It is just a matter of waiting to find out if it is through sign and trade or something else. All there is left is to wait for the Lauri appreciation thread. Will be interesting, that one.

[FranchisePlayer]

Clutch last 3 games to get 3p% over 40. Time for Spurs to get that new starting PF.

Yes. I'm certain they will look at the stats and tapes and talk with people more than a casual fan understands.

The tone of these last "hot" takes is pretty hostile. Hopefully this saga ends very soon. This thread has been garbage from head to toe...

[GoBlue72391]

Markkanen. We all had 4 years to see what he can do. It wasn't much.

He just knows how to shoot.
Can't defend.
Can't rebound.
Low energy.
Can't take anyone one on one.
Can dunk on teammates in practice with ease though.
Poor court vision.

Expendable. Replaceable. Maybe he can turn it around in a new location, but I highly doubt it. When the player didn't succeed in a Chicago Bulls uniform, he will not succeed outside of it. Good luck, kid.

I mean, there's like half a dozen or more players around the league who disprove that, but yeah, sure.

I went over this in a different thread. But yeah, this is the last of the Lauri Markkanen Defense Force. Say what you want before Lauri leaves. Get your shots in. Any last words? What do you have to say of Lauri this year and the previous 3 years?

Remember, Coach Billy Donovan is here next season. The same coach who benched him this year. AKME is going to let Lauri stick around another season after what transpired this season?

Since 2000, who succeeded after they left Chicago? I can only think of Jimmy Butler, and maybe Derrick Rose. Again, I said if they did not succeed in a Chicago Bulls uniform, they do not succeed outside of it.

Technically, Jimmy Butler and Derrick Rose succeeded here. So they both do not count according to my statement. So who did not have success here, but went on to flourish somewhere else? Name names. There is only one I can think of, and that's Tyson Chandler. Because he went on to become the defensive anchor for the world champion Dallas Mavs with Nowitzki. Chandler didn't do that when he was here.

Scottie Pippen? He doesn't count because he succeeded in a Chicago Bulls uni.
Michael Jordan? He doesn't count either.
Joakim Noah? He succeeded big time when he was with us.

These guys didn't do much once they left us:
Ben Gordon
Kirk Hinrich
Luol Deng
Tyrus Thomas
Ben Wallace. (was already super washed anyway)
Larry Hughes
John Salmons
Ronnie Brewer
Carlos Boozer
Marcus Fizer.
Andres Nocioni.
Thabo Sefolosha.
Nate Robinson.
DJ Augustin.
Tony Snell.
Mike Dunleavy.
Taj Gibson.
Marquis Teague.
Chris Duhon.
Rip Hamilton.
Jimmer Fredette (LMAO)
Nikola Mirotic

This really depends on your definition of success when they were here. But eh, I'm tired of getting into this. You can say whatever you want.

Let's get back to Lauri. Simply put, he didn't achieve anything major. He's replaceable and we're not losing much. He's a big let down to many of you. Not me. I didn't think much of him when we drafted Lauri. I gave him a chance for his entire rookie year. Yeah, maybe we had something with the kid.

His 2nd year came. I gave up on him by the time All Star break. I freakin' gave up on him. He did the same crap every game. Rinse and repeat.

What in the actual hell? Why are you so mad? All I said was there's numerous players who improved considerably after leaving the Bulls and you go off on some "What do you have to say for yourself, Lauri Defense Force?!" rant.

To say that if someone is unsuccessful in a Bulls uniform means they'll always be unsuccessful is an absurd and factually inaccurate statement. Cam Payne and Timothe Luwawa Cabarrot looked like G League talents when they played for us, now they're rotation players for two of the top seeds. WCJ, Gafford are playing better after the trade. Kornet looked like an absolute stiff for us but is getting rotation minutes with the Celtics and contributing. Tony Snell, Doug McDermott, etc. I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. It's not always about talent, it's about opportunity and fit.

Just a very bizarre and needlessly hostile response to such an innocuous comment. Chill dude. Lauri is likely gone, he won't be able to hurt you anymore lol

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[FranchisePlayer]

It was interesting that Stacey said the Bulls will bring Lauri back, after excluding him from all "future of the Bulls" talk over the past month or so. Does he know something or was he just talking out of his ass?

I think Stacey has learned Lauri is taking the QO, if Bulls offer it. Bulls would get Lauri for one year for a bit under $10mio, Lauri would be guaranteed (taking the QO would give him the veto if Bulls attempted to trade him) to stay in Chicago for one more year (he really really likes the city), plus Lauri would have honorably (according to Finnish code of honor) stuck out with his agreement with Bulls.

I really feel you're ignoring Lauri's own ambitions. He wants to be a starter, not a bench player behind couple of less talented players.

Screw the money and honor, IMO it's all about the role he sees himself in.

From Stacey it was probably more of a slip of a tongue. Has he been known as a deep throat...of anything?

[FranchisePlayer]

Markkanen. We all had 4 years to see what he can do. It wasn't much.

He just knows how to shoot.
Can't defend.
Can't rebound.
Low energy.
Can't take anyone one on one.
Can dunk on teammates in practice with ease though.
Poor court vision.

Expendable. Replaceable. Maybe he can turn it around in a new location, but I highly doubt it. When the player didn't succeed in a Chicago Bulls uniform, he will not succeed outside of it. Good luck, kid.

I mean, there's like half a dozen or more players around the league who disprove that, but yeah, sure.

I went over this in a different thread. But yeah, this is the last of the Lauri Markkanen Defense Force. Say what you want before Lauri leaves. Get your shots in. Any last words? What do you have to say of Lauri this year and the previous 3 years?

Remember, Coach Billy Donovan is here next season. The same coach who benched him this year. AKME is going to let Lauri stick around another season after what transpired this season?

Since 2000, who succeeded after they left Chicago? I can only think of Jimmy Butler, and maybe Derrick Rose. Again, I said if they did not succeed in a Chicago Bulls uniform, they do not succeed outside of it.

Technically, Jimmy Butler and Derrick Rose succeeded here. So they both do not count according to my statement. So who did not have success here, but went on to flourish somewhere else? Name names. There is only one I can think of, and that's Tyson Chandler. Because he went on to become the defensive anchor for the world champion Dallas Mavs with Nowitzki. Chandler didn't do that when he was here.

Scottie Pippen? He doesn't count because he succeeded in a Chicago Bulls uni.
Michael Jordan? He doesn't count either.
Joakim Noah? He succeeded big time when he was with us.

These guys didn't do much once they left us:
Ben Gordon
Kirk Hinrich
Luol Deng
Tyrus Thomas
Ben Wallace. (was already super washed anyway)
Larry Hughes
John Salmons
Ronnie Brewer
Carlos Boozer
Marcus Fizer.
Andres Nocioni.
Thabo Sefolosha.
Nate Robinson.
DJ Augustin.
Tony Snell.
Mike Dunleavy.
Taj Gibson.
Marquis Teague.
Chris Duhon.
Rip Hamilton.
Jimmer Fredette (LMAO)
Nikola Mirotic

This really depends on your definition of success when they were here. But eh, I'm tired of getting into this. You can say whatever you want.

Let's get back to Lauri. Simply put, he didn't achieve anything major. He's replaceable and we're not losing much. He's a big let down to many of you. Not me. I didn't think much of him when we drafted Lauri. I gave him a chance for his entire rookie year. Yeah, maybe we had something with the kid.

His 2nd year came. I gave up on him by the time All Star break. I freakin' gave up on him. He did the same crap every game. Rinse and repeat.

You need a break from this place or at least this thread if it makes you this upset and unhappy.

[coldfish]

It was interesting that Stacey said the Bulls will bring Lauri back, after excluding him from all "future of the Bulls" talk over the past month or so. Does he know something or was he just talking out of his ass?

Ass.

NBA GM rule #406: If you have a restricted free agent, tell the world that you love him and want to keep him . . . no matter what.

[GoBlue72391]

It was interesting that Stacey said the Bulls will bring Lauri back, after excluding him from all "future of the Bulls" talk over the past month or so. Does he know something or was he just talking out of his ass?

Ass.

NBA GM rule #406: If you have a restricted free agent, tell the world that you love him and want to keep him . . . no matter what.

I think it's in the best interest of both parties to move on.

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