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If Bulls keep the pick, who should they select?

Jalen Williams
7
11%
Tari Eason
18
29%
Nikola Jovic
4
6%
Mark Williams
18
29%
Ochai Agbaji
1
2%
TyTy Washington
0
No votes
Ousmane Dieng
0
No votes
Malaki Branham
2
3%
EJ Liddell
8
13%
Jeremy Sochan
4
6%
 
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#541 » by MrSparkle » Fri May 20, 2022 4:00 am

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MrSparkle wrote:Man, I really hope we don't have Vucevic next year. I'm not sure I can take another Orlando thrashing, as Chet, Franz and Wendell bully him to a record-high win (then they'll lose by 40 points the next night to the Hornets, or something).



So your take way from that game is that Vuc by himself couldn't stop a team with 3-4 bigs ? and so you want to get rid of him to search for someone that can ? :o


Yes, let’s find excuses for why Vuc performed much worse than Wendell and their backup Mo Wagner multiple times this season, despite the fact they were the worst team in the NBA.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#542 » by The Box Office » Fri May 20, 2022 5:07 am

Michael Jackson wrote:Houston is up for trading their pick. I think if we offer than a All-Star in Vuc and the #18 we should easily make that trade.... They might have to throw in Jalen Green though.

Seriously though would there be any realistic trade where that works? We just don't have any assets that make sense.


AKME has to know, with confidence, that we do not have a high chance at any of the rumored big names for trade this Summer to offer trades during The Draft. So...

We got to offer: 18th pick + Vooch + Coby White + DeMar DeRozan to get Houston Rockets just to take a 2nd look at us. We get the 3rd pick AND Jalen Green as part of the deal? Hell yeah, baby. He's a great replacement for a knee broken Zach LaVine. Just know that if we get a deal done like that, we're the Baby Bulls again and we will miss the playoffs for sure.

As for Tari Eason, he's rising up draft boards, into the Top 10, in RealGM's NBA Draft section. Tari is not a secret anymore. I would offer 18th pick + Vooch to move up a few spots to get the kid. One team within the Top 10 might take Tari. If that happens, we're screwed. I'll add in Coby White. I don't know if a Top 10 team would take that though, but that's my best deal.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#543 » by PlayerUp » Fri May 20, 2022 6:16 am

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chitownsports4ever wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:Man, I really hope we don't have Vucevic next year. I'm not sure I can take another Orlando thrashing, as Chet, Franz and Wendell bully him to a record-high win (then they'll lose by 40 points the next night to the Hornets, or something).



So your take way from that game is that Vuc by himself couldn't stop a team with 3-4 bigs ? and so you want to get rid of him to search for someone that can ? :o


Yes, let’s find excuses for why Vuc performed much worse than Wendell and their backup Mo Wagner multiple times this season, despite the fact they were the worst team in the NBA.


Bulls bought high on Vucevic and sold low on Wendell. Plain and simple. If you want to elevate your team further, you need to do the opposite. The trade definitely set us back here.

That said, Vucevic is one of the healthiest centers in the NBA and Wendell was never available always injured. I think AKME just had enough and decided to move on from him rather than giving him a contract extension. Ironically as soon as Wendell moves to Orlando, he has a relatively healthy season.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#544 » by Michael Jackson » Fri May 20, 2022 12:30 pm

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So your take way from that game is that Vuc by himself couldn't stop a team with 3-4 bigs ? and so you want to get rid of him to search for someone that can ? :o


Yes, let’s find excuses for why Vuc performed much worse than Wendell and their backup Mo Wagner multiple times this season, despite the fact they were the worst team in the NBA.


Bulls bought high on Vucevic and sold low on Wendell. Plain and simple. If you want to elevate your team further, you need to do the opposite. The trade definitely set us back here.

That said, Vucevic is one of the healthiest centers in the NBA and Wendell was never available always injured. I think AKME just had enough and decided to move on from him rather than giving him a contract extension. Ironically as soon as Wendell moves to Orlando, he has a relatively healthy season.


Not just health with WCJ which was a big factor, but he just doesn’t play winning basketball at the nba level. Lots of guys can put up numbers in no pressure losing teams. Now when WCJ is carrying a team to some success then I might be like oh man he is a good player. Until I see that though, I will just remember when he was here how every center had a career night against him. Now not all of that was his fault this team sucked but he sure rolled over for them.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#545 » by sco » Fri May 20, 2022 12:39 pm

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Michael Jackson wrote:Houston is up for trading their pick. I think if we offer than a All-Star in Vuc and the #18 we should easily make that trade.... They might have to throw in Jalen Green though.

Seriously though would there be any realistic trade where that works? We just don't have any assets that make sense.


AKME has to know, with confidence, that we do not have a high chance at any of the rumored big names for trade this Summer to offer trades during The Draft. So...

We got to offer: 18th pick + Vooch + Coby White + DeMar DeRozan to get Houston Rockets just to take a 2nd look at us. We get the 3rd pick AND Jalen Green as part of the deal? Hell yeah, baby. He's a great replacement for a knee broken Zach LaVine. Just know that if we get a deal done like that, we're the Baby Bulls again and we will miss the playoffs for sure.

As for Tari Eason, he's rising up draft boards, into the Top 10, in RealGM's NBA Draft section. Tari is not a secret anymore. I would offer 18th pick + Vooch to move up a few spots to get the kid. One team within the Top 10 might take Tari. If that happens, we're screwed. I'll add in Coby White. I don't know if a Top 10 team would take that though, but that's my best deal.

Vuc has zero value to Houston. I'm sure they're focused on Sengun next season (assuming Wood goes). I don't think, short of tossing in Zach, we have the ammo for #3. MAYBE Pat, #18 and Por 1st gets you #3, and there was someone we loved there, I'd do that.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#546 » by MGB8 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:15 pm

sco wrote:
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Michael Jackson wrote:Houston is up for trading their pick. I think if we offer than a All-Star in Vuc and the #18 we should easily make that trade.... They might have to throw in Jalen Green though.

Seriously though would there be any realistic trade where that works? We just don't have any assets that make sense.


AKME has to know, with confidence, that we do not have a high chance at any of the rumored big names for trade this Summer to offer trades during The Draft. So...

We got to offer: 18th pick + Vooch + Coby White + DeMar DeRozan to get Houston Rockets just to take a 2nd look at us. We get the 3rd pick AND Jalen Green as part of the deal? Hell yeah, baby. He's a great replacement for a knee broken Zach LaVine. Just know that if we get a deal done like that, we're the Baby Bulls again and we will miss the playoffs for sure.

As for Tari Eason, he's rising up draft boards, into the Top 10, in RealGM's NBA Draft section. Tari is not a secret anymore. I would offer 18th pick + Vooch to move up a few spots to get the kid. One team within the Top 10 might take Tari. If that happens, we're screwed. I'll add in Coby White. I don't know if a Top 10 team would take that though, but that's my best deal.

Vuc has zero value to Houston. I'm sure they're focused on Sengun next season (assuming Wood goes). I don't think, short of tossing in Zach, we have the ammo for #3. MAYBE Pat, #18 and Por 1st gets you #3, and there was someone we loved there, I'd do that.


They might view Vuc as a suitable mentor for Sengun.

But they aren't going to part with their high pick, or Green for that matter.

Now, would they consider a Christian Wood plus salary (maybe Dennis Schroeder S&T) for Vuc trade?

Or even possibly a Wood + Eric Gordon for Vuc + 18 + salary (DJJ or Troy Brown Jr or even Coby, but then probably sans the 18). or even without the extra salary (to shed salary for them and avoid excess costs ) trade? They very well might.

Actually, that latter trade would make a lot of sense for the Bulls - especially if the Bulls could do Vuc+Coby+Bradley to Houston for Wood + Gordon, but likely with Coby being re-routed to a 3rd team in exchange for a later first round pick to Houston (I could see Denver, Brooklyn, Dallas, or the Bucks being interested - sending salary back along with their pick's in the 20s... or TO with pick 33 or their 1st in 2023, but lotto protected).
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#547 » by sco » Fri May 20, 2022 1:32 pm

MGB8 wrote:
sco wrote:
The Box Office wrote:
AKME has to know, with confidence, that we do not have a high chance at any of the rumored big names for trade this Summer to offer trades during The Draft. So...

We got to offer: 18th pick + Vooch + Coby White + DeMar DeRozan to get Houston Rockets just to take a 2nd look at us. We get the 3rd pick AND Jalen Green as part of the deal? Hell yeah, baby. He's a great replacement for a knee broken Zach LaVine. Just know that if we get a deal done like that, we're the Baby Bulls again and we will miss the playoffs for sure.

As for Tari Eason, he's rising up draft boards, into the Top 10, in RealGM's NBA Draft section. Tari is not a secret anymore. I would offer 18th pick + Vooch to move up a few spots to get the kid. One team within the Top 10 might take Tari. If that happens, we're screwed. I'll add in Coby White. I don't know if a Top 10 team would take that though, but that's my best deal.

Vuc has zero value to Houston. I'm sure they're focused on Sengun next season (assuming Wood goes). I don't think, short of tossing in Zach, we have the ammo for #3. MAYBE Pat, #18 and Por 1st gets you #3, and there was someone we loved there, I'd do that.


They might view Vuc as a suitable mentor for Sengun.

But they aren't going to part with their high pick, or Green for that matter.

Now, would they consider a Christian Wood plus salary (maybe Dennis Schroeder S&T) for Vuc trade?

Or even possibly a Wood + Eric Gordon for Vuc + 18 + salary (DJJ or Troy Brown Jr or even Coby, but then probably sans the 18). or even without the extra salary (to shed salary for them and avoid excess costs ) trade? They very well might.

Actually, that latter trade would make a lot of sense for the Bulls - especially if the Bulls could do Vuc+Coby+Bradley to Houston for Wood + Gordon, but likely with Coby being re-routed to a 3rd team in exchange for a later first round pick to Houston (I could see Denver, Brooklyn, Dallas, or the Bucks being interested - sending salary back along with their pick's in the 20s... or TO with pick 33 or their 1st in 2023, but lotto protected).

I'm doubting that we go for Wood.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#548 » by MGB8 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:43 pm

sco wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
sco wrote:Vuc has zero value to Houston. I'm sure they're focused on Sengun next season (assuming Wood goes). I don't think, short of tossing in Zach, we have the ammo for #3. MAYBE Pat, #18 and Por 1st gets you #3, and there was someone we loved there, I'd do that.


They might view Vuc as a suitable mentor for Sengun.

But they aren't going to part with their high pick, or Green for that matter.

Now, would they consider a Christian Wood plus salary (maybe Dennis Schroeder S&T) for Vuc trade?

Or even possibly a Wood + Eric Gordon for Vuc + 18 + salary (DJJ or Troy Brown Jr or even Coby, but then probably sans the 18). or even without the extra salary (to shed salary for them and avoid excess costs ) trade? They very well might.

Actually, that latter trade would make a lot of sense for the Bulls - especially if the Bulls could do Vuc+Coby+Bradley to Houston for Wood + Gordon, but likely with Coby being re-routed to a 3rd team in exchange for a later first round pick to Houston (I could see Denver, Brooklyn, Dallas, or the Bucks being interested - sending salary back along with their pick's in the 20s... or TO with pick 33 or their 1st in 2023, but lotto protected).

I'm doubting that we go for Wood.


Bulls aren't going anywhere as presently constructed. They have to gamble a bit. Wood is just that type of gamble. Character questions -- but Bulls environment would be much better than anything he's been in. Meanwhile, he's a significantly better shooter than Vuc is (last 3 seasons average over 38%, with relatively low variance - although reduced FT% the last two). 10.1 rb per game in 31 minutes. Even a bit more rim protection than Vuc (though not much)... but at 26, less likely to fall of a cliff...

The character questions make him potentially "buy low".
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#549 » by chitownsports4ever » Fri May 20, 2022 1:45 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
chitownsports4ever wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:Man, I really hope we don't have Vucevic next year. I'm not sure I can take another Orlando thrashing, as Chet, Franz and Wendell bully him to a record-high win (then they'll lose by 40 points the next night to the Hornets, or something).



So your take way from that game is that Vuc by himself couldn't stop a team with 3-4 bigs ? and so you want to get rid of him to search for someone that can ? :o


Yes, let’s find excuses for why Vuc performed much worse than Wendell and their backup Mo Wagner multiple times this season, despite the fact they were the worst team in the NBA.



So you think that acknowledging the fact that other teams were running 3-4 man C/PF rotations while the Bulls were running Vuc by himself most of the season is excuse making ? Yeah they were the worst team in the nba and yet they ran out R.Lopez ,Bamba, Wendell , Both Wagners , and Okeke . I just cant wait to see this guy you are talking about.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#550 » by chitownsports4ever » Fri May 20, 2022 1:47 pm

MGB8 wrote:
sco wrote:
The Box Office wrote:
AKME has to know, with confidence, that we do not have a high chance at any of the rumored big names for trade this Summer to offer trades during The Draft. So...

We got to offer: 18th pick + Vooch + Coby White + DeMar DeRozan to get Houston Rockets just to take a 2nd look at us. We get the 3rd pick AND Jalen Green as part of the deal? Hell yeah, baby. He's a great replacement for a knee broken Zach LaVine. Just know that if we get a deal done like that, we're the Baby Bulls again and we will miss the playoffs for sure.

As for Tari Eason, he's rising up draft boards, into the Top 10, in RealGM's NBA Draft section. Tari is not a secret anymore. I would offer 18th pick + Vooch to move up a few spots to get the kid. One team within the Top 10 might take Tari. If that happens, we're screwed. I'll add in Coby White. I don't know if a Top 10 team would take that though, but that's my best deal.

Vuc has zero value to Houston. I'm sure they're focused on Sengun next season (assuming Wood goes). I don't think, short of tossing in Zach, we have the ammo for #3. MAYBE Pat, #18 and Por 1st gets you #3, and there was someone we loved there, I'd do that.


They might view Vuc as a suitable mentor for Sengun.

But they aren't going to part with their high pick, or Green for that matter.

Now, would they consider a Christian Wood plus salary (maybe Dennis Schroeder S&T) for Vuc trade?

Or even possibly a Wood + Eric Gordon for Vuc + 18 + salary (DJJ or Troy Brown Jr or even Coby, but then probably sans the 18). or even without the extra salary (to shed salary for them and avoid excess costs ) trade? They very well might.

Actually, that latter trade would make a lot of sense for the Bulls - especially if the Bulls could do Vuc+Coby+Bradley to Houston for Wood + Gordon, but likely with Coby being re-routed to a 3rd team in exchange for a later first round pick to Houston (I could see Denver, Brooklyn, Dallas, or the Bucks being interested - sending salary back along with their pick's in the 20s... or TO with pick 33 or their 1st in 2023, but lotto protected).



The Rockets ended the year playing Wood and Sengun together and apparently liked the results and I think thats how they plan to proceed going forward.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#551 » by othawhitemeat » Fri May 20, 2022 1:54 pm

I just want to draft someone that has some production but also talent. I don't want some very raw player without true production at the pick we have. I hope we keep it too, because there is some solid talent at the pick we have.

I doubt Eason will be there so I'm just leaving him out, but would love him if available.

1) EJ Liddell - he to me needs to work on ball handling, but is so skilled and strong. He kind is a balance to me of some Millsap when he entered the league and some Grant Williams if he develops a 3 game. I really wanted to draft Williams back in the day and props to the type of player he has become. Liddell has really long arms, can guard on switches, is sneaky athletic to where he is not a freak but a really good athlete, play solid, has a 3 point shot and mid range game, can board, and a very good shot blocker at 6'8. He can post too. He needs to work on ball handling off the bounce, but is a very good player.

2) Branham (OSU) - another solid athlete, but just a skilled score at 6'4/6'5. Kind of has some Khris Middleton flow to his game. He has some mid-range and a solid 3 point shot. Don't know why OSU couldn't go very far as they have 2 mid 1st round picks on their team.

3) Diabete - Michigan - to me has some Capela to his game. Very good athlete and will show a chart below, but while raw is 6'10, show some mid-range at times touch. Is mainly a defender and rim runner athlete, but a very good one with what seems like a good motor.

4) Jalen Williams - Santa Clara - 6'6 - sf with some ball handling and passing. Look at his stats, good athlete, solid feel for game - solid stat sheet stuffer.

5) Jovic - has some solid skilled player type feel at sf/pf.

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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#552 » by MrSparkle » Fri May 20, 2022 1:57 pm

chitownsports4ever wrote:
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So your take way from that game is that Vuc by himself couldn't stop a team with 3-4 bigs ? and so you want to get rid of him to search for someone that can ? :o


Yes, let’s find excuses for why Vuc performed much worse than Wendell and their backup Mo Wagner multiple times this season, despite the fact they were the worst team in the NBA.



So you think that acknowledging the fact that other teams were running 3-4 man C/PF rotations while the Bulls were running Vuc by himself most of the season is excuse making ? Yeah they were the worst team in the nba and yet they ran out R.Lopez ,Bamba, Wendell , Both Wagners , and Okeke . I just cant wait to see this guy you are talking about.


Franz is not a PF nor C. Okeke is 6’6. RoLo didn’t play much. Nor did Bamba.

Mo and Wendell schooled Vuc multiple times.

I don’t understand what your point is. Since when is a depth chart an advantage over 1 great player? Would Luc, Wennington and Dickey outplay Shaq if he had no backup?

Vuc played like crap most the year. That’s about all there is to read into my point. He played worse than Wendell in almost every match-up. We had all-star expectations, and he literally ranked in the bottom tier of all big men as far as PER is concerned. You’re saying it’s all because he didn’t have a backup big man?
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#553 » by TheSuzerain » Fri May 20, 2022 2:29 pm

Lofton Jr for #18!

Get that guy on a diet. There's talent there and he's got Grant Williams/Crowder type frame. It's just covered in fat.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#554 » by Chi town » Fri May 20, 2022 2:50 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Lofton Jr for #18!

Get that guy on a diet. There's talent there and he's got Grant Williams/Crowder type frame. It's just covered in fat.

Kinda true.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#555 » by Chi town » Fri May 20, 2022 2:52 pm

Chi town wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Lofton Jr for #18!

Get that guy on a diet. There's talent there and he's got Grant Williams/Crowder type frame. It's just covered in fat.

Kinda true.


Except for the part about shooting.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#556 » by TheSuzerain » Fri May 20, 2022 2:57 pm

Chi town wrote:
Chi town wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Lofton Jr for #18!

Get that guy on a diet. There's talent there and he's got Grant Williams/Crowder type frame. It's just covered in fat.

Kinda true.


Except for the part about shooting.

He's hitting 3's in these combine scrimmages and looks comfortable. 67% on Free Throws last year up from 55% the year prior.

I mean obviously he's a projection, but he's 19 years old. Could argue he was the 4th best 19 year old in college basketball last year. And the other 3 are going top 3.

He's surpassed Leonard Miller as my "screw it, draft for upside" choice.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#557 » by The Box Office » Fri May 20, 2022 3:09 pm

sco wrote:Vuc has zero value to Houston. I'm sure they're focused on Sengun next season (assuming Wood goes). I don't think, short of tossing in Zach, we have the ammo for #3. MAYBE Pat, #18 and Por 1st gets you #3, and there was someone we loved there, I'd do that.


Speculation for the bold part. You're not Houston Rockets' GM.

First you say we do not have the ammo for #3. Then you say "MAYBE Pat, #18, and Portland 1st gets you #3." What is this? Do we have ammo for #3 or we don't? You're going back and forth.

Why did you bring up Pat?

He's still an unknown with tons to prove. He's no former All Star. He barely has any playoff experience. He hasn't done much. Vooch is a multi time 7 foot All Star, with playoff experience, who can mentor Sengun and the rest of their team. The Baby Rockets truly need a seasoned veteran and Vooch fits that who can still produce numbers.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#558 » by sco » Fri May 20, 2022 3:34 pm

https://michigan.rivals.com/news/moussa-diabate-impresses-with-nba-combine-results

I'm a fan of seeing if we can get Diabate for an early 2nd. He's a project, but he came on at the end of the season for Michigan. I think he could be a 4/5 guy.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#559 » by Chi town » Fri May 20, 2022 3:35 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Chi town wrote:Kinda true.


Except for the part about shooting.

He's hitting 3's in these combine scrimmages and looks comfortable. 67% on Free Throws last year up from 55% the year prior.

I mean obviously he's a projection, but he's 19 years old. Could argue he was the 4th best 19 year old in college basketball last year. And the other 3 are going top 3.

He's surpassed Leonard Miller as my "screw it, draft for upside" choice.


That’s one thing I def appreciate about your posts… focus on upside.

Problem is Lofton shot 20% from 3. And he needs to lose 40lbs.

He’s an upside pick that could be had in the 2nd.

I’d prefer Proceda as the upside pick.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#560 » by Chi town » Fri May 20, 2022 3:40 pm

Buy a 2nd. Get this kid. Kevin Huerter 2.0. Rotation wing shooter. Plays with an edge.

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