NBA Trade Thread #11

[Dez]

No, you actually don't.

Bulls are probably going to have no draft pick this year and no money available. How are they going to get a top talent?

So the answer is to add another max player who has constant injury issues? What's the point of adding top talent if they aren't on the court? Then you're out another draft pick and probably some young players.

The Bulls need to pull the band-aid off that's Vuc and Zach, the teams 2 leading scorers and do what they can to ensure that pick doesn't convey. If it does, then tear down the next season, that next draft is potentially better than this one.

Zion isn't the answer.

Who gets traded out to match his 36m salary?

So you prefer sitting on the treadmill, that's fine but I'd rather take a swing at a home run than continue that.

If you could throw a late 1st and get Zion who I think just wants out of New Orleans it's an easy yes.

[prolific passer]

From the looks of it. Pels are gonna have to throw in a player or 2 to try to match the salary to get Zach anyway. Maybe a pick with that might be enough to entice the bulls. The question mark is Zion himself though.

[Muzbar]

Bulls are probably going to have no draft pick this year and no money available. How are they going to get a top talent?

So the answer is to add another max player who has constant injury issues? What's the point of adding top talent if they aren't on the court? Then you're out another draft pick and probably some young players.

The Bulls need to pull the band-aid off that's Vuc and Zach, the teams 2 leading scorers and do what they can to ensure that pick doesn't convey. If it does, then tear down the next season, that next draft is potentially better than this one.

Zion isn't the answer.

Who gets traded out to match his 36m salary?

So you prefer sitting on the treadmill, that's fine but I'd rather take a swing at a home run than continue that.

If you could throw a late 1st and get Zion who I think just wants out of New Orleans it's an easy yes.

Where in what I wrote said I wanted to remain a treadmill team? Please point it out and then I can point out exactly where I wrote the opposite.

Zion is an amazing talent, don't get me wrong, but the guy barely sees the court. This is the order of most games played: 70, 61, 29, 24 and 0. That's not alarming to you? He's played 6 this year.

The guy is listed at 6'6" and 284lbs... he's going to continue to get injuries.

Where is this 'late' first coming from? The Bulls won't have any of them, especially with Zion missing games.

Zion is not a risk I'd like to take.

[Muzbar]

From the looks of it. Pels are gonna have to throw in a player or 2 to try to match the salary to get Zach anyway. Maybe a pick with that might be enough to entice the bulls. The question mark is Zion himself though.

The Pels don't have a need for Zach, they have plenty of guards, including McCollum and Dejounte Murray.

Besides, wouldn't the point of getting Zion be to pair him with Zach?

[ChettheJet]

How much of is Zions health and how much of it is him saying he's not healthy so he doesn't have to play? Remember he got drafted by the pelicans after the AD debacle and remember his reaction from being drafted by them? Bulls are a still somewhat of a mess themselves still trying to figure out their direction. They don't need that distraction to go along with it.

That's a serious question to deal with and unless somebody in the building knows the answer, that's what makes Zion a bad gamble. If he chronically injured you look at the examples in two categories, found the right doctor/treatment is there for full time. Or he just can't stay healthy. But with Zion the risk is also, is he just selfish? Not that he doesn't get assists, but worse, does he have a training routine to strengthen the injuries he has? Would he ever listen to a nutritionist ? Does he even wonder what his game would be like if he lost 50 pounds? And that's not just to benefit his play and team, but wold he do it to see if he could play enough to merit a max contract?

When you're looking at player with that many question marks you got to look at what the upside is but also if you commit to him and it goes bad, how many years does it take for the franchise to recover? I'd rather build the GarPax route and take the treadmill risk than be perpetually in the lottery with a GM who isn't a draft wizard.

[MrSparkle]

Zion would be AK’s biggest risk yet. I guess kudos to him if he can convince the Reinsdorf’s to that. Surely he’d be out the door if Zion can’t play 40+ games on his remaining deal… and the Bulls would be out a couple more FRPs to round out the decade…. Leaving the new GM with a post-Billy King style rebuild job.

[HomoSapien]

Meh, pure click-bait.

I don't really like Zion's game. Doesn't really excite me on either end. IMO, he got a ton of hype due to the fact that a 6'4 300lb man could dunk, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. That said, it would be the sort of on-brand AK move that I've come to expect.

What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

I won't disagree that if that's the price, sure, but the NBA has figured him out. He gets blocked a ton. Can't shoot 3's. Only average on defense. He's like THT with better branding.

Have they figured him out? He has career average of 27ppg on 59% shooting despite never really being in shape or particularly healthy.

[HomoSapien]

Trading for Zion is the perfect move, IMO.

Either it works and we suddenly have a franchise player or it fails and AKME gets fired.

[prolific passer]

From the looks of it. Pels are gonna have to throw in a player or 2 to try to match the salary to get Zach anyway. Maybe a pick with that might be enough to entice the bulls. The question mark is Zion himself though.

The Pels don't have a need for Zach, they have plenty of guards, including McCollum and Dejounte Murray.

Besides, wouldn't the point of getting Zion be to pair him with Zach?

Pels are just as a mess as the bulls are roster wise it seems. Especially with guards.

[prolific passer]

Zion when he's on is one of the best in the game. Should probably be a 25 10 5apg power forward with 55+% shooting and good defense. He's still young enough to get those numbers at 24 but which team is willing to take that risk?

[HomoSapien]

Contractually, it's pretty doable to get Zion here. Some scenarios:

Zion for Coby, Pat, and Duarte/Carter

Zion for Pat and Lonzo

Zion and Theis for Vuc and Ball

Zion and Theis for Zach

Zion for Coby and Lonzo

Zion for Pat, Giddey, and Smith

Zion for Ayo, Smith, and Lonzo

Zion for Pat, Duarte, and Carter

Add pick(s) wherever.

Frankly, I'd be willing to do any of these options. Most of these probably work for Ingram too, though I'm way less interested in him.

[Jcool0]

No, you actually don't.

Bulls are probably going to have no draft pick this year and no money available. How are they going to get a top talent?

So the answer is to add another max player who has constant injury issues? What's the point of adding top talent if they aren't on the court? Then you're out another draft pick and probably some young players.

The Bulls need to pull the band-aid off that's Vuc and Zach, the teams 2 leading scorers and do what they can to ensure that pick doesn't convey. If it does, then tear down the next season, that next draft is potentially better than this one.

Zion isn't the answer.

Who gets traded out to match his 36m salary?

Trade Williams and Ball and you hope he just needs a change of scenery. Its a risk but this is probably the only way in the next 5 years to sniff a top 10 guy.

[prolific passer]

Contractually, it's pretty doable to get Zion here. Some scenarios:

Zion for Coby, Pat, and Duarte/Carter

Zion for Pat and Lonzo

Zion and Theis for Vuc and Ball

Zion and Theis for Zach

Zion for Coby and Lonzo

Zion for Pat, Giddey, and Smith

Zion for Ayo, Smith, and Lonzo

Zion for Pat, Duarte, and Carter

Add pick(s) wherever.

Frankly, I'd be willing to do any of these options. Most of these probably work for Ingram too, though I'm way less interested in him.

Pat and Lonzo actually sounds good.

[Muzbar]

Bulls are probably going to have no draft pick this year and no money available. How are they going to get a top talent?

So the answer is to add another max player who has constant injury issues? What's the point of adding top talent if they aren't on the court? Then you're out another draft pick and probably some young players.

The Bulls need to pull the band-aid off that's Vuc and Zach, the teams 2 leading scorers and do what they can to ensure that pick doesn't convey. If it does, then tear down the next season, that next draft is potentially better than this one.

Zion isn't the answer.

Who gets traded out to match his 36m salary?

Trade Williams and Ball and you hope he just needs a change of scenery. Its a risk but this is probably the only way in the next 5 years to sniff a top 10 guy.

It's definitely not the only way.

It's definitely a risk, a major risk. Is he a top 10 guy if he spends half the season (I'm being optimistic here) on the bench?

I'm going to have to agree to disagree.

Zion is extremely high on my do not want list.

[Muzbar]

What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

I won't disagree that if that's the price, sure, but the NBA has figured him out. He gets blocked a ton. Can't shoot 3's. Only average on defense. He's like THT with better branding.

Have they figured him out? He has career average of 27ppg on 59% shooting despite never really being in shape or particularly healthy.

His career average is 24.6ppg he also averages over his career 38.8 games a season (I excluded the season he completely missed).

He'll never be in good shape or healthy. It's not worth the risk, IMO.

[Jcool0]

So the answer is to add another max player who has constant injury issues? What's the point of adding top talent if they aren't on the court? Then you're out another draft pick and probably some young players.

The Bulls need to pull the band-aid off that's Vuc and Zach, the teams 2 leading scorers and do what they can to ensure that pick doesn't convey. If it does, then tear down the next season, that next draft is potentially better than this one.

Zion isn't the answer.

Who gets traded out to match his 36m salary?

Trade Williams and Ball and you hope he just needs a change of scenery. Its a risk but this is probably the only way in the next 5 years to sniff a top 10 guy.

It's definitely not the only way.

It's definitely a risk, a major risk. Is he a top 10 guy if he spends half the season (I'm being optimistic here) on the bench?

I'm going to have to agree to disagree.

Zion is extremely high on my do not want list.

When he plays his teams win more than they lose. Injury is a big risk but it's the only chance the Bulls have.

[Guru]

Contractually, it's pretty doable to get Zion here. Some scenarios:

Zion for Coby, Pat, and Duarte/Carter

Zion for Pat and Lonzo

Zion and Theis for Vuc and Ball

Zion and Theis for Zach

Zion for Coby and Lonzo

Zion for Pat, Giddey, and Smith

Zion for Ayo, Smith, and Lonzo

Zion for Pat, Duarte, and Carter

Add pick(s) wherever.

Frankly, I'd be willing to do any of these options. Most of these probably work for Ingram too, though I'm way less interested in him.

Vuc and Coby works and that's what I would like to do. Lonzo played with Zion, and Lonzo seems like the type of guy who not only would play perfectly with Zion on the court but would be an ideal guy to help him off the court.

Giddey-Lonzo
Lavine-Ayo
Williams-Terry-Phillips
Zion-Buz
Smith

[prolific passer]

Contractually, it's pretty doable to get Zion here. Some scenarios:

Zion for Coby, Pat, and Duarte/Carter

Zion for Pat and Lonzo

Zion and Theis for Vuc and Ball

Zion and Theis for Zach

Zion for Coby and Lonzo

Zion for Pat, Giddey, and Smith

Zion for Ayo, Smith, and Lonzo

Zion for Pat, Duarte, and Carter

Add pick(s) wherever.

Frankly, I'd be willing to do any of these options. Most of these probably work for Ingram too, though I'm way less interested in him.

Vuc and Coby works and that's what I would like to do. Lonzo played with Zion, and Lonzo seems like the type of guy who not only would play perfectly with Zion on the court but would be an ideal guy to help him off the court.

Giddey-Lonzo
Lavine-Ayo
Williams-Terry-Phillips
Zion-Buz
Smith

Not sure if the bulls want to trade Coby over Zach as he is younger.

[HomoSapien]

I won't disagree that if that's the price, sure, but the NBA has figured him out. He gets blocked a ton. Can't shoot 3's. Only average on defense. He's like THT with better branding.

Have they figured him out? He has career average of 27ppg on 59% shooting despite never really being in shape or particularly healthy.

His career average is 24.6ppg he also averages over his career 38.8 games a season (I excluded the season he completely missed).

He'll never be in good shape or healthy. It's not worth the risk, IMO.

I must've been looking at his per 36 numbers by mistake. But the point stands. Averaging 25 ppg on 59% shooting is no joke and if he can do that, then the argument "the NBA has figured him out" seems unsupported. If they've figured him out, why is he scoring so easily?

The injuries are a separate issue from whether or not he's actually a good player. It's a risk, but we're headed nowhere and a talent like him wouldn't be available if he were in shape or healthier.

[prolific passer]

I have to say. It would be fun to see the guards throw alley oops to Zion if he is on his game.