Kuminga sign and trade Bulls interest

[Muzbar]

I wonder if either team has a decent asset offered in the deal or just financial relief?

Suns apparently offered Grayson Allen. Not sure if anything else is in there, but probably not. Not sure if people would view Grayson Allen as a positive or negative contract at this point.

A team with both Draymond Green and Grayson Allen on it?

Steph's got his work cut out for him.

[drosestruts]

I wonder if either team has a decent asset offered in the deal or just financial relief?

Suns apparently offered Grayson Allen. Not sure if anything else is in there, but probably not. Not sure if people would view Grayson Allen as a positive or negative contract at this point.

A team with both Draymond Green and Grayson Allen on it?

Steph's got his work cut out for him.

If other teams are offering Grayson Allen I'd atleast throw out a package of Carter, Terry, and Phillips or something

I have no clue if the Warriors will eventually settle for a low offer value, but there's certainly a price point where I feel Kuminga is worth the dice roll

[Muzbar]

Suns apparently offered Grayson Allen. Not sure if anything else is in there, but probably not. Not sure if people would view Grayson Allen as a positive or negative contract at this point.

A team with both Draymond Green and Grayson Allen on it?

Steph's got his work cut out for him.

If other teams are offering Grayson Allen I'd atleast throw out a package of Carter, Terry, and Phillips or something

I have no clue if the Warriors will eventually settle for a low offer value, but there's certainly a price point where I feel Kuminga is worth the dice roll

I'm not completely against Kuminga, provided the price is right, also contract length.

Kuminga on a 3 year deal at around 23-25m per would be fine, especially if you're only giving up pieces like Terry & Phillips, but it's unlikely that GS would be interested in such a package, hence why Kuminga is still in limbo.

I think the takes on this board regarding Kuminga are too high in both directions, he apparently either sucks or he's a beast. I think it's about in the middle, he's a developing young player who's looking for a consistent role and minutes. Yes, he's got parts of his game he needs to work on, which is a reason to not give him the 30m price tag he's asking for. But on the other hand, if he finally gets a consistent role and possible starting spot he could break out and become a guy who's a driving threat everytime down the floor.

I'm just not a fan of getting him overall though as he'll take minutes away from Essengue who needs to see the court in order to develop and adapt to the NBA game and he'll be getting paid a good chuck of change (along with Giddey and eventually Coby) and none of them are really no. 1 option kind of guys.

[drosestruts]

A team with both Draymond Green and Grayson Allen on it?

Steph's got his work cut out for him.

If other teams are offering Grayson Allen I'd atleast throw out a package of Carter, Terry, and Phillips or something

I have no clue if the Warriors will eventually settle for a low offer value, but there's certainly a price point where I feel Kuminga is worth the dice roll

I'm not completely against Kuminga, provided the price is right, also contract length.

Kuminga on a 3 year deal at around 23-25m per would be fine, especially if you're only giving up pieces like Terry & Phillips, but it's unlikely that GS would be interested in such a package, hence why Kuminga is still in limbo.

I think the takes on this board regarding Kuminga are too high in both directions, he apparently either sucks or he's a beast. I think it's about in the middle, he's a developing young player who's looking for a consistent role and minutes. Yes, he's got parts of his game he needs to work on, which is a reason to not give him the 30m price tag he's asking for. But on the other hand, if he finally gets a consistent role and possible starting spot he could break out and become a guy who's a driving threat everytime down the floor.

I'm just not a fan of getting him overall though as he'll take minutes away from Essengue who needs to see the court in order to develop and adapt to the NBA game and he'll be getting paid a good chuck of change (along with Giddey and eventually Coby) and none of them are really no. 1 option kind of guys.

Essengue can earn his minutes just like Matas did. And if he has to go through Kuminga to do so - so be it.

On the other hand, if Kuminga makes a jump and Essengue doesn't pan out - hey we've got a 22 year old good player in Kuminga.

And if they both break out - good problem to have.

But there's not anyone currently on the roster that makes me say - hey if the price is good, I still wouldn't pursue a young, talented, but flawed player like Kuminga

[nomorezorro]

as someone who's pretty negative about kuminga, my objection to us taking a flier on him is primarily about 1) his reportedly likely price point and 2) his suboptimal fit with the other guy we're about to hand a big contract to.

i think kuminga at ~$15m a year would be a good deal, because he has generally been a talented scorer, and there's theoretical upside there based on his age and the role he's been used in thus far. i'm still skeptical if even that would work out for us long term, but the potential upside makes the downsides worth it.

i think kuminga at $20m a year without giddey here would be a reasonable gamble for us, because while i don't really believe in him as a lead option, there's at least a modicum of a chance he turns into something meaningful and our pool of young talent is way shallower than you'd like.

i think kuminga at $20m a year with giddey here would be a gamble i disliked but understood, because while i really don't think that pairing will work out, we're in a pretty bad situation and i get why you would just throw everything you could at the wall and hope it works out somehow.

i think kuminga at $25+ million a year in any context is a really, really bad gamble and a sign of significant desperation and/or bad management.

i think kuminga at $30m a year is insane and i can't believe it's even a number i've seen attached to him at any point.

[Muzbar]

If other teams are offering Grayson Allen I'd atleast throw out a package of Carter, Terry, and Phillips or something

I have no clue if the Warriors will eventually settle for a low offer value, but there's certainly a price point where I feel Kuminga is worth the dice roll

I'm not completely against Kuminga, provided the price is right, also contract length.

Kuminga on a 3 year deal at around 23-25m per would be fine, especially if you're only giving up pieces like Terry & Phillips, but it's unlikely that GS would be interested in such a package, hence why Kuminga is still in limbo.

I think the takes on this board regarding Kuminga are too high in both directions, he apparently either sucks or he's a beast. I think it's about in the middle, he's a developing young player who's looking for a consistent role and minutes. Yes, he's got parts of his game he needs to work on, which is a reason to not give him the 30m price tag he's asking for. But on the other hand, if he finally gets a consistent role and possible starting spot he could break out and become a guy who's a driving threat everytime down the floor.

I'm just not a fan of getting him overall though as he'll take minutes away from Essengue who needs to see the court in order to develop and adapt to the NBA game and he'll be getting paid a good chuck of change (along with Giddey and eventually Coby) and none of them are really no. 1 option kind of guys.

Essengue can earn his minutes just like Matas did. And if he has to go through Kuminga to do so - so be it.

On the other hand, if Kuminga makes a jump and Essengue doesn't pan out - hey we've got a 22 year old good player in Kuminga.

And if they both break out - good problem to have.

But there's not anyone currently on the roster that makes me say - hey if the price is good, I still wouldn't pursue a young, talented, but flawed player like Kuminga

100% Essengue should earn his minutes. But I also don't want a situation where his development could potentially be stunted. He'll likely see time in the G-League either way.

Again, as you said, the price needs to be right. He's never going to sign somewhere for 20m or under. His camp wants 30m per, meet somewhere in the middle with a shorter term deal.

As I mentioned before, I'm not completely against adding Kuminga, but my preference would be to just not add him and roll with what they've got. I want Matas getting a bit bigger role on offense and see what Essengue can provide in some limited minutes to begin with.

[dougthonus]

Suns apparently offered Grayson Allen. Not sure if anything else is in there, but probably not. Not sure if people would view Grayson Allen as a positive or negative contract at this point.

A team with both Draymond Green and Grayson Allen on it?

Steph's got his work cut out for him.

If other teams are offering Grayson Allen I'd atleast throw out a package of Carter, Terry, and Phillips or something

I have no clue if the Warriors will eventually settle for a low offer value, but there's certainly a price point where I feel Kuminga is worth the dice roll

I think the Bulls could do Carter + Ayo for Kuminga and GS would be all over it. I don't really care about that package that much, I think the tougher thing is whether you get Kuminga at a price you like and if you like Kuminga, but I think the trade value could be worked out easily if liked the other things.

[Muzbar]

A team with both Draymond Green and Grayson Allen on it?

Steph's got his work cut out for him.

If other teams are offering Grayson Allen I'd atleast throw out a package of Carter, Terry, and Phillips or something

I have no clue if the Warriors will eventually settle for a low offer value, but there's certainly a price point where I feel Kuminga is worth the dice roll

I think the Bulls could do Carter + Ayo for Kuminga and GS would be all over it. I don't really care about that package that much, I think the tougher thing is whether you get Kuminga at a price you like and if you like Kuminga, but I think the trade value could be worked out easily if liked the other things.

The Kings allegedly offered Devin Carter, Dario Saric and a protected FRP for Kuminga and haven't accepted that, why would they jump at a deal involving Ayo and Javon Carter?

Either way, a line-up with Sabonis, Kuminga and DeRozan would have some serious spacing issues.

[dougthonus]

The Kings allegedly offered Devin Carter, Dario Saric and a protected FRP for Kuminga and haven't accepted that, why would they jump at a deal involving Ayo and Javon Carter?

Either way, a line-up with Sabonis, Kuminga and DeRozan would have some serious spacing issues.

Hadn't heard that, but Warriors are nuts if they think they'll do better than that.

[Clint Eastwood]

I heard a podcast that mentioned a trade possibility that works with Pat Wil and Ayo and portland pick for kuminga and moody with kuminga at like 3/78 or something. Whatever the numbers were worked financially.

[Infinity2152]

Saric makes $5.4 mill and Carter makes $4.9 mill. Kuminga has to accept a sign and trade. If the contract is around $20 mill AAV, is Kuminga likely to sign that anyway?

Saric's 31 and expiring, he's basically cap filler. GS ends up with Carter and a probably protected first for Kuminga. Carter played 36 games last year, averaging 4 pts, 2rbs, 1 asst, shooting 37% from the field and 30% from 3. BPM -3.2. That's not as great a package as it may look. Brett Siegel reported on the 19th they're hoping for a S&T with the Bulls for Ayo.

Carter looked great in college, but so did Jonny Flynn. He's looked pretty bad in the NBA to date. Ayo's older, but I'd say he has a much better chance of contributing this year for the Warriors than Carter.

Warriors are likely looking for players to help them win now, rather than prospects and future picks.

[kodo]

The Kings allegedly offered Devin Carter, Dario Saric and a protected FRP for Kuminga and haven't accepted that, why would they jump at a deal involving Ayo and Javon Carter?

Either way, a line-up with Sabonis, Kuminga and DeRozan would have some serious spacing issues.

Hadn't heard that, but Warriors are nuts if they think they'll do better than that.

It was the rumored offer that was making the rounds.
FWIW, a lot of Warriors fans on social media thought it was an easy no because the offer was too low, neither Carter or a mid 1st rounder is likely to be better than Kuminga in their minds, so it's not good enough. Not that the fans have any input on the matter.

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[kodo]

i think kuminga at $30m a year is insane and i can't believe it's even a number i've seen attached to him at any point.

I would think Kuminga's floor outcome at the very worst is Miles Bridges, an athletic dunker with a bit of a jumpshot, and Miles Bridges made $27M this year even after assaulting his wife & children.

[MGB8]

i think kuminga at $30m a year is insane and i can't believe it's even a number i've seen attached to him at any point.

I would think Kuminga's floor outcome at the very worst is Miles Bridges, an athletic dunker with a bit of a jumpshot, and Miles Bridges made $27M this year even after assaulting his wife & children.

Bridges is a better shooter - over 80% from the FT line every year but his rookie year, and while only 1% better from 3 - much higher volume. Bridges also gives you more passing (w/out more TO) and more rebounding.

Still, it is a reasonable comp. Both known for athleticism.

[WesPeace]

Anything over 20-22M per season is insane for Kuminga.. he is still young, raw and didnt show consistency

[nomorezorro]

pre-suspension miles bridges was a more highly regarded player than kuminga, and in general bridges plays a much more complementary style of basketball, so i have a pretty hard time seeing that as kuminga's floor.

he also got paid $25m / year in a more favorable cap environment, not $30m

[dougthonus]

The Kings allegedly offered Devin Carter, Dario Saric and a protected FRP for Kuminga and haven't accepted that, why would they jump at a deal involving Ayo and Javon Carter?

Either way, a line-up with Sabonis, Kuminga and DeRozan would have some serious spacing issues.

Hadn't heard that, but Warriors are nuts if they think they'll do better than that.

It was the rumored offer that was making the rounds.
FWIW, a lot of Warriors fans on social media thought it was an easy no because the offer was too low, neither Carter or a mid 1st rounder is likely to be better than Kuminga in their minds, so it's not good enough. Not that the fans have any input on the matter.

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It's hard to imagine that you think both these things:
1: That's not enough
2: I won't pay Kuminga more than 20M.

(FWIW, in regards to the Warriors, not you personally)

[ghostinthepost1]

It kind of sounds like the Warriors and Kuminga want to do the Ayo S+T but the Bulls want to see what happens with Giddey before doing anything else.

[ghostinthepost1]

It kind of sounds like the Warriors and Kuminga want to do the Ayo S+T but the Bulls want to see what happens with Giddey before doing anything else.

Found a tweet saying the same thing.

Read on Twitter

[Chi town]

I don’t see the Bulls adding Kuminga without Pat being traded. Okoro and Kuminga equal no mins for Pat and even worse trade value.

I could see Dubs doing Pat Ayo POR pick for Kuminga. They basically have two years to win.

Maybe a 3 way where Bulls pay POR pick to get out of Pat and land Kuminga.