OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[jnrjr79]

It amazes me that so many fail to see that Assange's singular motive for doing all this is to see the U.S. burn and that a Trump presidency or the legitimization of Trump-like candidates is the best way to accomplish this.

I obviously don't support Russia, I agree with you on Assange's motives and I find using stolen data to analyze politics to be distasteful.

With that said, the fact that Hillary is in bed with wall street is a MUCH bigger issue. Its unfortunate that we have to find out about the **** things our officials do through illegal means but that's the reality we live in.

Hillary is going to be the next president but I sure hope that the press keeps her feet to the fire on this. People need to forget about the Russian connection. If Hillary was clean, the Russians wouldn't have been able to steal anything damaging because it wouldn't have existed.

Maybe I live under a rock, but I haven't seen much that is particularly damning in the hacked Podesta emails. Mostly they just show that Hillaryworld is extremely cautious, plans for all contingencies, and is deeply concerned about attacks from the outside. I do not like the insular bubble that has been constructed about them, but it seems like people keep saying "Wikileaks! Wikileaks!" without there being much concerning substance there. Heck, all those speeches to Goldman Sachs, et al. that she kept under wraps ended up seeming pretty innocuous to me.

[TheStig]

It amazes me that so many fail to see that Assange's singular motive for doing all this is to see the U.S. burn and that a Trump presidency or the legitimization of Trump-like candidates is the best way to accomplish this.

I obviously don't support Russia, I agree with you on Assange's motives and I find using stolen data to analyze politics to be distasteful.

With that said, the fact that Hillary is in bed with wall street is a MUCH bigger issue. Its unfortunate that we have to find out about the **** things our officials do through illegal means but that's the reality we live in.

Hillary is going to be the next president but I sure hope that the press keeps her feet to the fire on this. People need to forget about the Russian connection. If Hillary was clean, the Russians wouldn't have been able to steal anything damaging because it wouldn't have existed.

I think that's a silly standard. What campaign doesn't have strategies to gain votes and lure big money donors? Sure Hilary has issues. And they aren't good but no politician can make it being squeaky clean.

Obama took in a record amount of money too in his elections.

Trump "self funder" isn't really self funding and tries to lure big money donors. He just lashes out at them and then wonders why the Koch brothers don't give him money.

I used to have a lot more respect for wiki links. But this type of agenda to destroy Hilary and partner with Russia to do it, just puts a real big stain on their reputation. Why don't they dig into Trump too? Aren't they supposed to be about informing people? Or does the Kremlin just not give them those emails?

[TheSuzerain]

If Hillary was clean, the Russians wouldn't have been able to steal anything damaging because it wouldn't have existed.

You're a definite Pollyanna if you don't think every major politician has some damaging emails in the account of their own or their deputies.

I've honestly been surprised at the lack of anything too damaging that was turned up. Most of the "scandals" basically amount to bad optics. It requires contortion or leaps in logic to decry them as a smoking gun for actual corruption.

[Flopper]

It amazes me that so many fail to see that Assange's singular motive for doing all this is to see the U.S. burn and that a Trump presidency or the legitimization of Trump-like candidates is the best way to accomplish this.

I obviously don't support Russia, I agree with you on Assange's motives and I find using stolen data to analyze politics to be distasteful.

With that said, the fact that Hillary is in bed with wall street is a MUCH bigger issue. Its unfortunate that we have to find out about the **** things our officials do through illegal means but that's the reality we live in.

Hillary is going to be the next president but I sure hope that the press keeps her feet to the fire on this. People need to forget about the Russian connection. If Hillary was clean, the Russians wouldn't have been able to steal anything damaging because it wouldn't have existed.

No politician is clean and nearly all would be extremely vulnerable to state-sponsored hacking and the subsequent release of the hacked data.

However, Hillary's Wall Street ties are still a concern to many on the left. There's a reason why a populist, anti-Wall Street candidate like Bernie Sanders was able to gain as much traction this election cycle despite embracing "socialist" concepts which have been taboo in American politics post-WWII. I also think some of Trump's supporters chose the wrong guy when looking for an anti-establishment candidate. There would've been some compromise on traditional right-wing issues, but backing an Independent like Sanders would've aligned better with their desire for a candidate who act as an advocate for the middle class.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I would consider them both to be Pro-Wall St.

[waffle]

EVERY politician's emails would raise eyebrows. It's the "you don't really want to know what goes into making the sausage" things.

You can be pro wallstreet and STILL re-tighten up the regulations. Deregulation has gone too darn far. If I were a politician who was interested in staying in power and getting things done? I'd play nice w/ wallstreet

Now, if we get rid of citizen's united? That would be v. nice. Spending all your time chasing money is no way to run a government.

Hil may be kinda scary but her heart is in the right place. She is a tough nut but I think being president is not for the faint of heart, particularly the 1st female president.

[musiqsoulchild]

Everybody's emails raise eyebrows when revealed to the entire world by selective snipping of info. Heck, we do it all the time to each other on our board by quoting out of context posts all the time in order to further our own agenda.

Wikileaks has no credibility left now. Assange is being super transparent in his actions.

[johnnyvann840]

Yeah, the only really bad things in the wiki releases are that Hillary's own staff, those closest to her, privately think she is a flat out liar, that she has bad judgement. That, and that she is engaged in extreme corporatism.

Man, in any other election year, she would be toast. Just a shame that the only schmuck the Republicans could come up with can't even beat a woman that the majority of America does not trust and cannot stand.

[AKfanatic]

Yeah, the only really bad things in the wiki releases are that Hillary's own staff, those closest to her, privately think she is a flat out liar, that she has bad judgement. That, and that she is engaged in extreme corporatism.

Man, in any other election year, she would be toast. Just a shame that the only schmuck the Republicans could come up with can't even beat a woman that the majority of America does not trust and cannot stand.

Yep

The fact that she isn't up much much bigger on Trump shows exactly how flawed she is. If you replace either candidate with a more normal and seemingly trustworthy candidate, they destroy either of Hillary or Trump.

It's sad that the Dems more or less gave her the nomination uncontested...yeah Bernie tried to make a point, and did, but for the party it was always going to be Hillary.

As for the Republicans, it's pathetic but obvious that Trump would end up their nominee. Their entire movement for the past decade + has been based off fear, hate, conspiracy theories, and obstruction. They mixed their foul chemicals through the right-wing airwaves and a Trump was the obvious reaction.


This election, is a sad sad moment in American History.....and comedic gold for our rivals.

[rtblues]

Questioning the validity of the American electoral process, and insinuating that is "rigged" is the end for Trump.
Those kind of comments have no place in American politics. There's no evidence of voter fraud, and Trump using
expressions like, "they're saying", "I'm hearing"; "People are saying" and "Believe me" aren't substitutes for any real, hard evidence.

Ditto the friggin' emails. Clinton was scrutinized by the FBI for a year, and nothing. In-fact, she's probably the most scrutinized candidate in a long time. Yet Trump seems to keep getting a pass for his missteps, even when they are on video or audio tape.

Trump is simply preaching to his choir of like-"minded" people, while alienating just about every other voting demographic, African-Americans' Latinos; Women; Handicapped; only appealing to his base. Not a winning formula.

Perception is a funny thing, you go to Drudge Report, there Trump won this debate, like the first two. If you visit Huffington Post, you will see that he's done for and she's in. I try not to look at either, and listen to the words the candidates speak, and not the pundits before or after.

I personally find Trump to be ill-prepared, not well-versed on most of the topics, and instead hangs on to embarrassingly trivial things that he feels the need to mention in a Presidential debate. His, "I shoulda won" comment regarding his reality show losing in the Emmys, going after a beauty contestant because of her weight-gain, the parents of a vet because of their religion, a judge for his heritage, and now unwilling to accept the outcome. He's a spoiled little brat and is finally going to get taken down a notch.

Not going to engage in any back and forth trolling with any of his supporters. Have at it, I won't answer. I said my piece. Oh and if you're really bothered, there's a block user feature at RealGM, so go ahead on.

[WIN]

This election is rigged against he American people....period. Hillary is being offered a layup here since she's facing Donald friggin' Trump. She'll win, and we all lose. It's a lose lose situation for the American people unfortunately.

[AKfanatic]

This election is rigged against he American people....period. Hillary is being offered a layup here since she's facing Donald friggin' Trump. She'll win, and we all lose. It's a lose lose situation for the American people unfortunately.

We lose as long as parties continue to work only in the interest of "next election". This constant us against them, rigged election, delegitimization of presidents, obstruction, in hopes of getting political cover from your base as a means to stall until that next election, makes losers of the American people.

This election has only hardened the massive chasm that has been created.

[Mech Engineer]

Everybody's emails raise eyebrows when revealed to the entire world by selective snipping of info. Heck, we do it all the time to each other on our board by quoting out of context posts all the time in order to further our own agenda.

Wikileaks has no credibility left now. Assange is being super transparent in his actions.

Even Mother Theresa got criticized for the way she did her charity work. Is Hillary a saint? Hell, No..

But, none of her emails are anything like his tape. Honestly, everyone would have been criticized... Bernie as an old socialist or even communist, Cruz as a crazy tea party right wing etc...

The bottom line is there is no perfect candidate especially when you dig their private information. That said, we could have seen a fairer and intellectual contest if not for Trump to give us a better idea of policies.

Also, I think flip-flopping(if done correctly) should be appreciated in elections which tells us the candidate can listen and agree to a better solution.

[the ultimates]

You don't have to like Trump or Clinton but the record of service speaks itself. You can say Clintons a liar, so is Trump that's been proven time and time again. Clinton is a bad decision maker, so is Trump. He's filed for bankruptcy in the past and Trump University was a total sham. The President and Clinton won't say the words radical islam. Trump won't say Russia is behind the DNC hacks yets his own VP pick in said the evidence points towards Russia. Now from all the things Clinton has done as a Senator and Secretary of State ask yourself would Trump have done better?

[burlydee]

**** partisan, the man is a **** liar who grossly edits videos.

His videos are essentially conspiracy theories that do not even have misrepresented facts; they are simply not factual on any level. To sit here and give his videos any legitimate discussion is objectively wrong.

I get what you are saying, but in this particular instance, I cannot fathom a scenario that could be edited out. What they say is just too damning. I even posted pics that the people who were on the ground. causing these issues were on the Hillary payroll. Unless these new O'keefe videos are CGI, there is no way they could have been skewed because they are literally videos of the individuals admitting to highly illegal and beyond unethical tactics. These are people of power who have resign/been fired since.

O'keefe's history aside, these two videos are not some insane conspiracy theory.

Once again you cant edit "You know what happened in Chicago and AZ? That was us" - Said by a person CONFIRMED to be on Hillary's payroll from her website.

Now this wasnt even mentioned anywhere by the media. If it was trump(without any proof)it would be on the breaking news,so they can bash him like they always do about anything.

W/o any proof??!? 9 women have come forward saying he inappropriately groped them. His own words are on tape. No proof?

And the thing is, Trump's sexism and history of sexual assault isn't even his worst trait! The fact that he keeps claiming he won't accept the results of the election is extremely dangerous b/c it motivates nut bags to do the things nut bags do.

[Euro_Step]

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/19/a-peek-into-the-clinton-campaign-in-damage-control-mode-from-the-podesta-emails/

This is a good article that shows HRC's campaign covering up for lies she made on tv about her reasons for supporting a bill that would've made it harder for poor people to discharge their debts.

In short she said that "women's and children's groups" were begging her to support the bill when in reality they were opposed to it. Her campaign wanted to bring out some of these groups to defend her but one of her policy advisors found:

We have a problem. HRC overstayed [sic] her case this morning in a pretty big way,” she wrote. The advocates they were thinking of going to had all attacked the bill at the time. “Marcia, Judy and I have been figuring out what we could say that doesn’t contradict their 2001 statement.” In a follow-up email, she explained, “She said women groups were all pressuring her to vote for it. Evidence does not support that statement

The National Women's Law Center said in 2001 the year the bill was voted on:

“This bill puts the interests of credit card companies ahead of the needs of women and children owed child support and other families struggling to cope with family breakup, job loss, or catastrophic medical expenses,”

ON the show she repeatedly says she wants to set the record straight but as her policy advisor said in an email:

we cannot put something out proactive here b/c the record just isn’t good

Elizabeth Warren attacked her at the time for her position on the bill.

I agree that she is the better candidate but we need to not give her a complete pass when she goes on tv and lies to the American people. It's part of the reason why so many people are completely disillusioned with the political process and the media. All I hear on the radio or tv is that the Russians stole these emails, for which no proof has been provided and doesn't change the fact that they show a campaign actively trying to deceive and manipulate the public.

[FecesOfDeath]

W/o any proof??!? 9 women have come forward saying he inappropriately groped them. His own words are on tape. No proof?

9 women come forward nearly at the same time -- 3 weeks before Election Day. It's the same tactic that was used against Herman Cain, except that was done to him during the primary season, and after Cain suspended his campaign nothing ever happened to resolve any of those accusations. Plus, it's the same feminist bleeding liberal attorney representing these Trump accusers as the Cain accusers.

And the thing is, Trump's sexism and history of sexual assault isn't even his worst trait! The fact that he keeps claiming he won't accept the results of the election is extremely dangerous b/c it motivates nut bags to do the things nut bags do.

That would categorize Al Gore and John Kerry as nut bags, as well. There's already video evidence from Project Veritas that the Democratic National Committee has been directly involved in rigging the voting process and paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies.

[burlydee]

W/o any proof??!? 9 women have come forward saying he inappropriately groped them. His own words are on tape. No proof?

9 women come forward nearly at the same time -- 3 weeks before Election Day. It's the same tactic that was used against Herman Cain, except that was done to him during the primary season, and after Cain suspended his campaign nothing ever happened to resolve any of those accusations. Plus, it's the same feminist bleeding liberal attorney representing these Trump accusers as the Cain accusers.

And the thing is, Trump's sexism and history of sexual assault isn't even his worst trait! The fact that he keeps claiming he won't accept the results of the election is extremely dangerous b/c it motivates nut bags to do the things nut bags do.

That would categorize Al Gore and John Kerry as nut bags, as well. There's already video evidence from Project Veritas that the Democratic National Committee has been directly involved in rigging the voting process and paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies.

Yeah, and Bill Cosby is innocent.

[FecesOfDeath]

W/o any proof??!? 9 women have come forward saying he inappropriately groped them. His own words are on tape. No proof?

9 women come forward nearly at the same time -- 3 weeks before Election Day. It's the same tactic that was used against Herman Cain, except that was done to him during the primary season, and after Cain suspended his campaign nothing ever happened to resolve any of those accusations. Plus, it's the same feminist bleeding liberal attorney representing these Trump accusers as the Cain accusers.

And the thing is, Trump's sexism and history of sexual assault isn't even his worst trait! The fact that he keeps claiming he won't accept the results of the election is extremely dangerous b/c it motivates nut bags to do the things nut bags do.

That would categorize Al Gore and John Kerry as nut bags, as well. There's already video evidence from Project Veritas that the Democratic National Committee has been directly involved in rigging the voting process and paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies.

Yeah, and Bill Cosby is innocent.

Yeah, and Hillary allowed her husband to rape and grope multiple women, and she showed no sympathy to a 12-year-old girl who was raped by a man she defended successfully as an attorney only due to a clerical error.

[burlydee]

9 women come forward nearly at the same time -- 3 weeks before Election Day. It's the same tactic that was used against Herman Cain, except that was done to him during the primary season, and after Cain suspended his campaign nothing ever happened to resolve any of those accusations. Plus, it's the same feminist bleeding liberal attorney representing these Trump accusers as the Cain accusers.



That would categorize Al Gore and John Kerry as nut bags, as well. There's already video evidence from Project Veritas that the Democratic National Committee has been directly involved in rigging the voting process and paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies.

Yeah, and Bill Cosby is innocent.

Yeah, and Hillary allowed her husband to rape and grope multiple women, and she showed no sympathy to a 12-year-old girl who was raped by a man she defended successfully as an attorney only due to a clerical error.

You guys knock yourselves out reading Breibart, hanging out on Youtube, and defending a vile, vile man. Its a beautiful day where I live. The election is over. Peace.