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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#561 » by drosereturn » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:41 am

GimmeDat wrote:Hysteria for toilet paper and such is an overreaction, but the potential consequences of not taking the proper precautionary measures is very serious.

I'm not scared for my own health, but I think of my father and grandparents and it's a very real threat for them, especially in the coming weeks as this thing is bound to blow up in proportion.


One reminder its not good to visit your elders as they are susceptible to this disease. Plenty of Asian countries had their sons infected as their parents visited their home. Non story if you have a big family and live together.
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Post#562 » by Payt10 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:27 am

Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.
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Post#563 » by 2018C3 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:43 am

thedarkstark wrote:Just goes to show why owners are owners, their greed knows no bounds, they don't care how many people have to struggle or suffer to build their empire.


Actually I know someone personaly who the bulls (not players) offered to pay medical bills for, (and I mentioned this before). People like to knock the organization and GM for alot of things, but don't pull stuff like this out of the blue. Some things that get done never gets reported in the media, and shouldn't. I can knock them for not putting a decent product on the floor, but with other things unreleated to basketball I have to give a thumbs up!

And nope, I do not have any inside information, just a positive story to share. The person themself never even asked for help, it was offered after someone in management became aware.
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Post#564 » by dumbell78 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:02 am

Payt10 wrote:Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.


Many experts think that is one way this virus will subside in severty, albeit not voluntarily like the UK are doing. I haven't heard they are going with that main approach. The UK medical system is heavily burdened as is and something like this must be unimaginable for the medical professionals and the powers that run it.
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Post#565 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:52 am

Payt10 wrote:Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.

Huh. On NBC News yesterday Lester Holt was interviewing a couple infectious disease experts and they said we don't really know the duration of time that immunity would last, but definitely didn't think it would be permanent (for instance like chicken pox, which was the example Holt used).

If that's true and we don't even know the length of the immune response, that seems like an even more reckless approach. And even if they could keep mortality low with that approach, it could still present immense strain on a health system with serious cases that require hospitalization.

Reminds me of when we were kids and there wasn't a chicken pox vaccine and parents used to have "chicken pox parties". Except a whole nation doing it at once?!?!
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#566 » by Ccwatercraft » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:14 am

Payt10 wrote:Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.


I read an article about that last night on the tablet, dont have the link handy, it's an interesting approach, risky.
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Post#567 » by Habs72 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:20 am

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dice wrote:
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Comedy Central? Really.

you skipped right over the other criticism to fixate on the videos? really?

feel free to disagree with anything that's in there. i can give you a whole lot more if you'd like from a wide variety of news sources. but you don't want that. figured the humor would make the medicine go down smoother

Anyone can knit pick and fault another in the event of a crisis.

1) not to nit pick, but it's 'nit pick.' irony
2) i gave you a laundry list of gross mismanagement. THIRTEEN major errors/attempts to mislead (and i probably missed some) in a matter of weeks. not remotely close to "nit picking." your suggestion that that's what i'm doing suggests an obvious agenda and is absolutely ridiculous

once again, other administrations of both parties have handled pandemics appropriately. this one hasn't. not by a country mile

p.s.: studies have shown that the daily show informs much better than fox news (a network, like comedy central, registered as an entertainment channel rather than news) does. pretty much all news sources do, actually. fox is the one television network that actively misleads its viewers. unsurprising given that it was created by a republican party political propaganda operative (roger ailes). i won't speculate on where you get your news

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5


I watch all News Networks and I trust my own judgement weeding thru the good and bad of each network.

There are 7 billion people in this world and we all have our opinions.


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Post#568 » by MrSparkle » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:31 pm

Payt10 wrote:Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.


My sister lives there and told me this yesterday. I think it’s cold, calculated and irresponsible. Literally telling people to work, play, go to concerts, take the tube, unless displaying symptoms; then stay home and treat themselves if sick.

Now they reversed course in the last 24hrs and are canceling events. Despite having a higher IQ, Boris runs the same **** show as Trump.

These populist self-interest circus thugs have made matters worse.
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Post#569 » by AKfanatic » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:52 pm

Payt10 wrote:Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.


Problem is they are banking on people becoming immune after recovering when evidence in Italy and Japan points to that being unlikely. Italy has reported multiple cases of people recovering only to become infected weeks later and Japan has reported a woman being released Feb 1st after recovering from being infected in late December now being infected with stronger symptoms. There’s been numerous virologists that have stated this is unlikely to work and actually poses a risk of doing the exact opposite of what the UK is hoping for.

They’ve basically decided it’s too much work and too difficult to stop the spread, so they’ll let the public be lab rats and hope it turns out well. It’s crazy to think allowing low risk people to go about daily life won’t pose a larger risk at infecting the high risk group.... unless they literally lock down those at high risk, it could get really bad.




Sidenote: it also underscores how absolutely ignorant it is to say “we are banning flights from Europe, but the UK is excluded from that ban”. With the two combined you can count on the virus having a longer lifespan in places like New York that get a large percentage of the passengers that travel to the US from the UK.
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Post#570 » by Habs72 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:26 pm

Experts saying that high numbers now in Italy are cause of last weekend people went to the beaches and skiing resorts in masses even though there are moving restrictions in use. Virus has a infection period of 4-7 days and this is now showing from all the movement. And they expect its getting worse over the weekend as its still not showing all the infected from last weekend mass

In Italy they say around 45-47% of casualties had 2-3 basic illnesses, average age is 80,3 and women are only 25% of them. Only 2 dead were under 40year olds and both of them multiple basic illnesses. Good thing is that in Codogno where all started, there hasnt been new cases for last three days.

In Iran they have been making the amount of mass graves that it is showing in the satellite pictures. Also its suggested that the numbers in there are way bigger than the official ones and also there is many deaths in their aging leadership.
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Post#571 » by chitowndish » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:49 pm

I have the same problem as others in that my father is in his late 60's has diabetes, blood pressure issues and is walking around like absolutely nothing is going on. I kind of have to laugh at this one but he walks into a bank to get $40, didn't go to the ATM didn't get an amount of money that would mean anything to go pick up some of the dirtiest things in circulation during a pandemic. I honestly just have to laugh at that one but it's tough he says his sister had pneumonia as a kid and he didn't and I just kind of told him that the percentages are different and walked through what is happening in Italy but he still seems to think he's fine.

My little sister also is just going about things with her friends as if nothing is going on and she's back at home with my dad so that's pretty worrying too. He was saying he feels fine and would stop if he felt sick and said nobody around him was sick but I don't think he gets that this thing is contagious for days before you show symptoms, I think that's why it doubles every 4-5 days people are transmitting it for 4-5 days before they even know they are sick.

It's a tough balance to just try and tell him what is going on. Then I don't want to really outline things for my little sister because if something does happen to my dad I don't want her to blame herself because he's also going into the bank to get disease blankets. I guess all I did was try and lay out the facts and tell him to go look up what's happening in Italy and not push too hard but it's tough.
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Post#572 » by MrSparkle » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:59 pm

My brother’s in-law’s mom showing major symptoms and Lake Shore (Lake Zurich) was a nightmare on Thursday. 3 days later it’s worse. Hospitals are totally unprepared. No test kits anywhere. They don’t what to do. Front desk people losing their cool. She’s in her late 60s, and we’re worried - it’s not good.

Hasn’t even begun. Tighten your seatbelts.
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Post#573 » by Bandit King » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:06 pm

People need to remember it takes 14 days to feel the effects of this virus.
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Post#574 » by Susan » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:09 pm

Hey guys, please adjust how you buy your groceries. Everybody going to stores is causing a major stress on the grocery systems but NOT the manufacturing of products so there's no need to panic, but if you go to the stores right now it feels like Armageddon. So what we need to do to help alleviate those systems is adjust how we buy our goods. Amazon Prime, Walmart.com and Costco Online are big systems that can handle this stress and scale up the distribution to people more efficiently. Do NOT buy from Amazon Fresh right now or Instacart, those are systems not prepared for this. Buy what you need, don't go crazy because that's causing the systems to break down.

It's going to be fine, we just need to get the word out and stop overwhelming my grocery brothers! If you have any questions, please ask me. This is what I've been doing with my life for 8 years now (learning how food is distributed) and I really just want to let people know that things are OK on this front, even if it might feel like it's not.

To briefly explain HOW groceries get to stores vs how it gets to your house via Amazon Prime:

Grocery
Manufacturer sends it to Distribution System -> Store places order -> distributor has to pick the order -> Order is shipped with everything else -> store receives it and a person has to put it on the shelf -> you buy it

Distributors are rationing orders because they can't keep up the picking/ordering process. They need to scale up quickly but they've only got so much space/time and the stores are overwhelmed

Amazon Prime
Manufacturer sends to to Amazon in absurdly large quantities - > You order it -> Amazon picks the order -> Items are shipped to you without any risk of Social Distancing

We're good y'all, just need to adjust and stop stressing out my grocery brothers and sisters!
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Post#575 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:18 pm

Susan wrote:Hey guys, please adjust how you buy your groceries. Everybody going to stores is causing a major stress on the grocery systems but NOT the manufacturing of products so there's no need to panic, but if you go to the stores right now it feels like Armageddon. So what we need to do to help alleviate those systems is adjust how we buy our goods. Amazon Prime, Walmart.com and Costco Online are big systems that can handle this stress and scale up the distribution to people more efficiently. Do NOT buy from Amazon Fresh right now or Instacart, those are systems not prepared for this. Buy what you need, don't go crazy because that's causing the systems to break down.

It's going to be fine, we just need to get the word out and stop overwhelming my grocery brothers! If you have any questions, please ask me. This is what I've been doing with my life for 8 years now (learning how food is distributed) and I really just want to let people know that things are OK on this front, even if it might feel like it's not.

To briefly explain HOW groceries get to stores vs how it gets to your house via Amazon Prime:

Grocery
Manufacturer sends it to Distribution System -> Store places order -> distributor has to pick the order -> Order is shipped with everything else -> store receives it and a person has to put it on the shelf -> you buy it

Distributors are rationing orders because they can't keep up the picking/ordering process. They need to scale up quickly but they've only got so much space/time and the stores are overwhelmed

Amazon Prime
Manufacturer sends to to Amazon in absurdly large quantities - > You order it -> Amazon picks the order -> Items are shipped to you without any risk of Social Distancing

We're good y'all, just need to adjust and stop stressing out my grocery brothers and sisters!

I was starting an Amazon order. Why is prime/fresh/whole foods all different? If I understand what you're saying, I shouldn't do the latter two? But then I can't get any fresh items, just non-perishable right?
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Post#576 » by Susan » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:57 pm

Friend_Of_Haley wrote:
Susan wrote:Hey guys, please adjust how you buy your groceries. Everybody going to stores is causing a major stress on the grocery systems but NOT the manufacturing of products so there's no need to panic, but if you go to the stores right now it feels like Armageddon. So what we need to do to help alleviate those systems is adjust how we buy our goods. Amazon Prime, Walmart.com and Costco Online are big systems that can handle this stress and scale up the distribution to people more efficiently. Do NOT buy from Amazon Fresh right now or Instacart, those are systems not prepared for this. Buy what you need, don't go crazy because that's causing the systems to break down.

It's going to be fine, we just need to get the word out and stop overwhelming my grocery brothers! If you have any questions, please ask me. This is what I've been doing with my life for 8 years now (learning how food is distributed) and I really just want to let people know that things are OK on this front, even if it might feel like it's not.

To briefly explain HOW groceries get to stores vs how it gets to your house via Amazon Prime:

Grocery
Manufacturer sends it to Distribution System -> Store places order -> distributor has to pick the order -> Order is shipped with everything else -> store receives it and a person has to put it on the shelf -> you buy it

Distributors are rationing orders because they can't keep up the picking/ordering process. They need to scale up quickly but they've only got so much space/time and the stores are overwhelmed

Amazon Prime
Manufacturer sends to to Amazon in absurdly large quantities - > You order it -> Amazon picks the order -> Items are shipped to you without any risk of Social Distancing

We're good y'all, just need to adjust and stop stressing out my grocery brothers and sisters!

I was starting an Amazon order. Why is prime/fresh/whole foods all different? If I understand what you're saying, I shouldn't do the latter two? But then I can't get any fresh items, just non-perishable right?


Prime = separate

Whole Foods + Prime Now + Amazon Fresh = relying on Whole Foods' infrastructure and is not going to be able to keep up.

Switch to dry goods on Amazon Prime.
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Post#578 » by Habs72 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:11 pm

This is a facebook post of a friend of my many friends. Its a post from a person who has a virus and is in quarantee. Its a post where he tells how it happened and how secretly it can spread. Its a long post but hopefully you have time and patience to read it:


Greetings from a corona positive patient from quarantine!
Rumours spread faster than a virus. If you want to publish something, tell it as a secret to someone. Since all the rumours are not true, I’d like to tell my story (even though many told me not to. This corona seems to be a bit of a tabu at the moment). I’d like to tell the story, because there is a lot of missunderstanding and fake believes around the virus.
Yes, I have been diagnosed with coronavirus on the 12th of March 2020. I got it either from Tyrol, Austria during the weekend or from Stockholm on Tuesday. I would guess Austria, since that seems to be a home for many infections found around Europe.
First of all, don’t worry about us, me and my family are doing perfectly fine. Even better than expected. We are basically symptom-free - at least at the moment.
This is how it all started.
On Thursday, 5th of March I travelled from Turku to Zürich (via Helsinki-Vantaa) and from there to St. Anton, Tyrol area Austria. Yes, Italy was already an epidemic area, but Tyrol had like 14 cases on the day I left there. At that time, Helsinki had much more cases. I considered it as a safe trip.
I took a bottle of hand sanitizer with me, used it a lot and washed my hands like never before.
In Austria, I didn’t see anybody coughing or sneezing around me.
I returned to Finland on Sunday evening and went back home and on Monday morning to our office. I had no symptoms what so ever.
On Monday evening I flew to Stockholm to our local office and again paid a lot of attention to hand hygiene. On Tuesday morning, instead of using the subway, we walked through the beautiful city with my colleague. It took us an hour and the city seemed to be full of pedestrians on their way to work. I flew back to Turku on Tuesday evening. Empty airport and empty planes.
On Monday evening I also learned that Tyrol was declared as an epidemic area. I was puzzled, since the amount of cases in Tyrol seemed stable. At some point I noticed news about a bar in Ischgl, where many cases were traced back. I was not concerned, since that was some 50 kilometres from our village.
After returning again to Finland, I decided together with our HR director and chairman of the board that I’ll go for the self-quarantine, since I was returning from an epidemic area. I did this, even though Tyrol was declared to be an epidemic area only after I left the area. So, on Wednesday I worked remotely and didn’t leave my house.
Yesterday (Thursday the 12th of March) I woke up feeling my self quite normal. I opened up my Oura app (the ring that monitors my sleep, breathing, body temperature etc) and got surprised how low my ”readiness” was. For all Oura users, my readiness was 54 as it normally is around 80-90 and the reason for this was my elevated body temperature. I had +1c compared to normal, so you could say that I ”almost had fever”.
I decided to call the local authorities anyway and tell about the mild temperature and about being in Tyrol area. I felt a bit shamed to do that, since I felt perfectly fine. They hesitated about testing, since I had no other symptoms, but decided to do the test anyway. I was tested in TYKS (Turku University Hospital) in the morning by a lady in a space suit. Really quick and pleasant experience, if you like 15 cm long cotton sticks stuffed in your nose... After the test I returned back home, where the rest of my family was also self-quarantined.
The results came in the late afternoon and the test was found positive. I was interviewed about my locations and travelling in Tyrol and after that. Official advise was that everyone I met 24 hours before the symptoms started are considered as ”close contacts.” In my case this means everybody I spent more time than 15 minutes at the same space during Wednesday the 11th of March. Luckily I was self quarantined during that day and my close contacts (people who are considered with higher risk of getting the virus) are only my wife and kids. And we all have been at home since yesterday morning.
Good news - and also bad news - is that for me, and many others that I know getting the infection, this seems to be really a mild version of the virus. Or at least it is for us, forty something year olds. In any other given date with such a mild temperature rise (and normal temperature again in the morning) and good feeling in general, I think 95% of the people would go to work and continue living as they always have been. Without the ring measuring my body during the night, I would not even had known about the temperature rise. I measured my temperature several times during the following day and it always came back with 36,5c. This makes this flu to spread - you might not even recognise it.
On Thursday and Friday I heard news from many others that I met on my trip also getting the (mild) symptoms and many were tested positive in their home countries. I checked the official stats in Finland: 110 cases. Only I knew 10% more cases to that number so I figured out that a true number have to be many times bigger.
I do not know how many others have returned from Italy or Austrian side of Tyrol during the last month with only very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all and are going around spreading the corona, but they must be hundreds.
I don’t feel proud to be the first person in my city being infected by this virus. I keep thinking what I could have done in order to avoid this. I followed the official travel instructions, used a lot of hand sanitizer, washed my hands like never before and avoided touching my face. It is easy to say afterwards that you should’ve just stayed at home and not travel at all. That is true, but on the other hand, predicting the future is possible only afterwards and that attitude would also make my job pretty hard to do (although in Austria I was for a vacation). I’m glad though that I self-quarantined myself and did not come to our Turku office on Wednesday. If I would’ve been there, the number of affected people would have been several times higher. Although making this decision on Wednesday felt a bit overreacting, it was the right one to do.
About my health
Like mentioned, I feel almost like normal (if I ever have been one). Last night I had +0,6c body temperature (measured by Oura) and these are the only symptoms I have. My wife and daughter had some very mild symptoms of sore throat and our boys have nothing. I hope it goes by like this. We are now quarantined for 14 days at least, but it’s a smallest thing we can do. I do not wan’t to go around and cause maybe huge health issues to people belonging to risk groups. But the problem with this virus is, that it gives so mild symptoms to so many. And many neglect even clear symptoms thinking that what ever they planned to do today is more important than life of an old lady next door. Or it’s more important than our health care system’s ability to treat the ones needing help.
My message is that do not panic, pay attention to social distance and hand hygiene but most of all: don’t be a self centered prick. If you have even the smallest symptoms, stay at home. Do not go out and meet people in risk categories. You don’t know by the age, face or any other thing who will get a bad version of this virus.
And for the closure, this virus does not blow up your ass, so there is no need to buy 100 toilet paper rolls for two week quarantine!
Let’s fight this one together!
(Edited 14.3.2020 at 9.45: added the name of the village (St. Anton due to people asking about it) and changed the Arnold with toilet paper gun-picture to a picture of me and our dog in quarantine. I got feedback that the topic and text is so important but the picture made people consider it as a joke. It is not.)
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#579 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:47 pm

Susan wrote:
Friend_Of_Haley wrote:
Susan wrote:Hey guys, please adjust how you buy your groceries. Everybody going to stores is causing a major stress on the grocery systems but NOT the manufacturing of products so there's no need to panic, but if you go to the stores right now it feels like Armageddon. So what we need to do to help alleviate those systems is adjust how we buy our goods. Amazon Prime, Walmart.com and Costco Online are big systems that can handle this stress and scale up the distribution to people more efficiently. Do NOT buy from Amazon Fresh right now or Instacart, those are systems not prepared for this. Buy what you need, don't go crazy because that's causing the systems to break down.

It's going to be fine, we just need to get the word out and stop overwhelming my grocery brothers! If you have any questions, please ask me. This is what I've been doing with my life for 8 years now (learning how food is distributed) and I really just want to let people know that things are OK on this front, even if it might feel like it's not.

To briefly explain HOW groceries get to stores vs how it gets to your house via Amazon Prime:

Grocery
Manufacturer sends it to Distribution System -> Store places order -> distributor has to pick the order -> Order is shipped with everything else -> store receives it and a person has to put it on the shelf -> you buy it

Distributors are rationing orders because they can't keep up the picking/ordering process. They need to scale up quickly but they've only got so much space/time and the stores are overwhelmed

Amazon Prime
Manufacturer sends to to Amazon in absurdly large quantities - > You order it -> Amazon picks the order -> Items are shipped to you without any risk of Social Distancing

We're good y'all, just need to adjust and stop stressing out my grocery brothers and sisters!

I was starting an Amazon order. Why is prime/fresh/whole foods all different? If I understand what you're saying, I shouldn't do the latter two? But then I can't get any fresh items, just non-perishable right?


Prime = separate

Whole Foods + Prime Now + Amazon Fresh = relying on Whole Foods' infrastructure and is not going to be able to keep up.

Switch to dry goods on Amazon Prime.

Thanks. Just tried out Walmart.com for the first time. First available time is Tuesday.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#580 » by musiqsoulchild » Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:54 pm

Susan wrote:
Friend_Of_Haley wrote:
Susan wrote:Hey guys, please adjust how you buy your groceries. Everybody going to stores is causing a major stress on the grocery systems but NOT the manufacturing of products so there's no need to panic, but if you go to the stores right now it feels like Armageddon. So what we need to do to help alleviate those systems is adjust how we buy our goods. Amazon Prime, Walmart.com and Costco Online are big systems that can handle this stress and scale up the distribution to people more efficiently. Do NOT buy from Amazon Fresh right now or Instacart, those are systems not prepared for this. Buy what you need, don't go crazy because that's causing the systems to break down.

It's going to be fine, we just need to get the word out and stop overwhelming my grocery brothers! If you have any questions, please ask me. This is what I've been doing with my life for 8 years now (learning how food is distributed) and I really just want to let people know that things are OK on this front, even if it might feel like it's not.

To briefly explain HOW groceries get to stores vs how it gets to your house via Amazon Prime:

Grocery
Manufacturer sends it to Distribution System -> Store places order -> distributor has to pick the order -> Order is shipped with everything else -> store receives it and a person has to put it on the shelf -> you buy it

Distributors are rationing orders because they can't keep up the picking/ordering process. They need to scale up quickly but they've only got so much space/time and the stores are overwhelmed

Amazon Prime
Manufacturer sends to to Amazon in absurdly large quantities - > You order it -> Amazon picks the order -> Items are shipped to you without any risk of Social Distancing

We're good y'all, just need to adjust and stop stressing out my grocery brothers and sisters!

I was starting an Amazon order. Why is prime/fresh/whole foods all different? If I understand what you're saying, I shouldn't do the latter two? But then I can't get any fresh items, just non-perishable right?


Prime = separate

Whole Foods + Prime Now + Amazon Fresh = relying on Whole Foods' infrastructure and is not going to be able to keep up.

Switch to dry goods on Amazon Prime.


Dry goods are the key. I am well stocked on those.

Water isnt an issue. Neither is electricity or gas. So, as long as the kitchen is working...dry goods are the key.

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