2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[HomoSapien]

It's not odd. We are not a FA destination and we need to draft and develop more young talent to elevate us.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm not suggesting we trade for cap space. One of the biggest flaws of the last regime was that we almost never made trades for established talent. If we're not enamored with anyone in the draft, then the package I suggested could theoretically give you a great piece to pair with Zach and Lauri.

One of the biggest issues is that the old regime got stuck on certain player types and failed to fuel development more so than trading for established players.

AK and Evs came from teams that value player development and growing through the draft.

I'm obviously not against internal development, but I just don't understand your notion of having a blanket policy against trading for players. Part of AK and Eversley's job is to make us an actual destination.

[The Box Office]

KC reported thta AK and EVS were very high on Coby.

He did? Not doubting you but do you mind linking me to the article/tweet/comment?

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LOL that doesn't mean anything. He finished the rest of the sentence in his mind. "They're great young pieces...to trade."

[MrFortune3]

Givony on Deni...

Strengths
- Big enough to play PF but has the ballhandling, creativity and playmaking skill of a PG. At his best operating out of pick-and-roll, where he displays excellent timing and vision, allowing him to make every read and pass in the book. Aggressive offensive player who is in attack mode every time he steps onto the floor. Loves shooting pull-up 3-pointers in transition. Brings toughness, competitiveness and swagger.
- Was learning how to play without the ball this season in a more compact role at the pro level. Elite cutter thanks to his strong feel for the game. Capable of playmaking out of secondary ball-handling situations.
- Has made significant strides on defense. Covers ground well and plays with real intensity getting over screens, battling on the glass and rotating to protect the rim. Gets in passing lanes, blocks quite a few shots and rebounds well.

Improvement areas
- Inconsistent shooter who has converted just 32% of 3-pointers and 58% of free throws over a large sample. Mechanics have been tweaked repeatedly to the point that you rarely see him shooting the same way, sometimes kicking his legs out excessively or looking stiff with his release.
- Wasn't asked to do much in terms of creating his own shot in isolation, pushing in the open court or playing pick-and-roll this season.
- Struggles to create offense from a standstill. Right-hand dominant and much more limited when pushed to dribble or finish with his off hand. Reliant on changes of speed and using his body to create space, which might prove more difficult against NBA defenders.

Projected role: Big playmaker

--Jonathan Givony

I want Deni! I'll settle for Wiseman(though that creates a logjam)

[Jcool0]

He did? Not doubting you but do you mind linking me to the article/tweet/comment?

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LOL that doesn't mean anything. He finished the rest of the sentence in his mind. "They're great young pieces...to trade."

So they have enough value to trade, but not to keep?

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

Assuming Edwards, Wiseman, and Ball are taken and everyone else is available, who would you take and why out of these comparisons?

PG-Hayes vs Haliburton

PF-Avdija or Toppin

Anybody? I would love some insight on these players and would love to read your thoughts.

[MrFortune3]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm not suggesting we trade for cap space. One of the biggest flaws of the last regime was that we almost never made trades for established talent. If we're not enamored with anyone in the draft, then the package I suggested could theoretically give you a great piece to pair with Zach and Lauri.

One of the biggest issues is that the old regime got stuck on certain player types and failed to fuel development more so than trading for established players.

AK and Evs came from teams that value player development and growing through the draft.

I'm obviously not against internal development, but I just don't understand your notion of having a blanket policy against trading for players. Part of AK and Eversley's job is to make us an actual destination.

I want to see the Bulls draft and develop a great team of young guys with high ceilings. Not interested in seeing the team trade young talent and picks for established guys that don't push us over the top. Those guys are not going to be available to us right now and I see little point in trading for someone who makes us marginally better.

[MrFortune3]

Assuming Edwards, Wiseman, and Ball are taken and everyone else is available, who would you take and why out of these comparisons?

PG-Hayes vs Haliburton

PF-Avdija or Toppin

Anybody? I would love some insight on these players and would love to read your thoughts.

It's Deni all day for me. I think he's the perfect fit for what we need to pair with Zach and Coby. He's going to come in and create offense for others, he can get his own and can play well on both sides of the ball. May take him a bit to adjust his shot for the NBA and getting it off against elite athletes but I think he provides exactly what we need for the team.

I'm not one for comparisons so I have no idea what to say on that.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Warriors are the wild card and where the draft begins.

I think Edwards at 1 is easy. Russell at point, plug in Edwards at 2 and Culver at 3. Good looking team.

For the Warriors, Ball makes no sense with that roster or Kerr’s style. And would the run and gun Warriors draft a lumbering center with the 2 pick? I doubt it.

I think they draft either Deni, or trade it. Leaning strongly towards trading it.

[HomoSapien]

One of the biggest issues is that the old regime got stuck on certain player types and failed to fuel development more so than trading for established players.

AK and Evs came from teams that value player development and growing through the draft.

I'm obviously not against internal development, but I just don't understand your notion of having a blanket policy against trading for players. Part of AK and Eversley's job is to make us an actual destination.

I want to see the Bulls draft and develop a great team of young guys with high ceilings. Not interested in seeing the team trade young talent and picks for established guys that don't push us over the top. Those guys are not going to be available to us right now and I see little point in trading for someone who makes us marginally better.

I guess the disconnect is what/who that package would bring us. I'm not suggesting trading that for someone like Tobias Harris or Danillo Gallinari, but think it could possibly bring us an all-star level talent back.

[Chi town]

I just did a deep dive on Avdija. I remember looking at him earlier in the summer and not being too impressed. Not sure what I saw, but this time he seemed exceptionally impressive. He easily could be the best player in this draft, and SF is still our biggest hole on the roster.

1. What did you see the second time watching?

2. He offers additional value due to his size and position versatility. This is why if you have Wiseman and Deni rated equal you have to go with the wing. Ainge was early to the game getting wings in Tatum and Brown.

[The Box Office]

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LOL that doesn't mean anything. He finished the rest of the sentence in his mind. "They're great young pieces...to trade."

So they have enough value to trade, but not to keep?

Personally, No. They're in the negative in my mind. We missed the playoffs 3 consecutive years with LaVine and Lauri.

They don't have enough value to keep. Especially LaVine and Lauri as a duo.

I can keep Wendell and probably Coby White (he better stop ball hogging). Just not LaVine and Lauri.

[Chi town]

Warriors are the wild card and where the draft begins.

I think Edwards at 1 is easy. Russell at point, plug in Edwards at 2 and Culver at 3. Good looking team.

For the Warriors, Ball makes no sense with that roster or Kerr’s style. And would the run and gun Warriors draft a lumbering center with the 2 pick? I doubt it.

I think they draft either Deni, or trade it. Leaning strongly towards trading it.

Bob Meyers is already talking about trading it. I will be shocked if they don't trade it. Whoever trades for it will probably take Melo.

[chitowndish]

Still dig Haliburton I guess, if I'm going to draft a center that dude better be dominant and it doesn't sound like a dominant player exists in this draft. A guy that is a high quality passer with low turnovers at 6' 5" that can defend and shoots 50% 40%, I mean what else do you really want out of a pg? The guy can't play above the rim apparently and you aren't going to depend on him to carry your offense but I don't think you want your pg to do that in an ideal situation anyway. I still really dig this kids skillset and think it will translate.

[Chi town]

LOL that doesn't mean anything. He finished the rest of the sentence in his mind. "They're great young pieces...to trade."

So they have enough value to trade, but not to keep?

Personally, No. They're in the negative in my mind. We missed the playoffs 3 consecutive years with LaVine and Lauri.

They don't have enough value to keep. Especially LaVine and Lauri as a duo.

I can keep Wendell and probably Coby White (he better stop ball hogging). Just not LaVine and Lauri.

3 Years?
Y1 Lavine coming back from ACL end of season and Lauri rookie
Y2 Boylen Ball and Otto trade get them playing well to end season
Y3 Most injured team in the league and Boylen

Lavine has not underperformed. Lauri did last year big time. At least half of that is on him. Boylen helped him suck too.

Lets see what these guys can do with a legit coach and system. I'm not attached to any of the players and I'm up for trading all of them if the right deal present itself. I can also see them getting alot better with real player development and a coach.

[LikeMike23]

I mean i wish it was that easy for players with bad traits just to hit the weight room and a little gym time and correct everything. But mostly if you aren't flashing things by the time the draft comes around you aren't going to develop that in the NBA. He is a ball dominate PG who will make some flashy assists and get some rebounds but not bring much else to the table. Bringing up Dunn is just to show we have seen what happens when a PG can't shoot. He is an athletic PG who is decent as getting assists and a good defender but because he cant shoot he pretty much regulated to a backup PG.

Tall point guards don't have to be great shooters to be effective scorers. Just look at Ben Simmons, Luka Doncic and Lebron James. Historically, you can look at Magic Johnson or Penny Hardaway. None of them even shoot 35% from three. Now, I'm not saying LaMelo will be as good as any of the tall point guards I mentioned. I'm only making the point that he can be effective without being a great shooter. Kris Dunn's inability to shoot is only a problem because he is 6'3". If Kris Dunn was 6'8", he would not be a backup point guard. He would be starting.

Luka Doncic was a champion and euroleague MVP at 19, Simmons was college player of the year as a freshman, Lebron was dubbed "the chosen one" by Sports illustrated as a 16 year old! LMFAO at putting Lamelo in the same sentence as any of those guys.

Ball is horribly inefficient scorer in Europe against inferior competition, he's going to do worse in the NBA. He's literally his brother, exact same strengths and flaws as Lonzo.

It's possible to fix your flaws but it hasn't worked out for Lonzo so far.

LaMelo Ball was named NBL Rookie of the Year. He averaged 17 points, 7.4 rebounds and 6.8 assists per game. Not bad for a so-called inefficient scorer. He has also been covered by media all over the world and has millions of followers on social media. Whether you like it or not, LaMelo Ball has been a basketball prodigy since he was a teenager. No different from Luka Doncic and Lebron James.

Lebron James shot 29% from three his rookie year. In year seventeen, he's shooting 34%.

Luka Doncic shot 31% from three his rookie year and is only shooting 32% from three in his second year.

The notion that LaMelo won't be good because he doesn't shoot a high percentage from three is just wrong. If he can push the ball in transition, get rebounds and assists, he will be just fine.

[Jcool0]

LaMelo Ball was named NBL Rookie of the Year. He averaged 17 points, 7.4 rebounds and 6.8 assists per game. Not bad for a so-called inefficient scorer. He has also been covered by media all over the world and has millions of followers on social media. Whether you like it or not, LaMelo Ball has been a basketball prodigy since he was a teenager. No different from Luka Doncic and Lebron James.

Lebron James shot 29% from three his rookie year. In year seventeen, he's shooting 34%.

Luka Doncic shot 31% from three his rookie year and is only shooting 32% from three in his second year.

The notion that LaMelo won't be good because he doesn't shoot a high percentage from three is just wrong.

LaMelo took 17 shots to get those 17 points. That is not good.

[Jeffster81]

Whoever this front office deems to be the best player/talent at four, I will trust their judgement. If it's Ball, Wiseman or Deni.

[LikeMike23]

LaMelo Ball was named NBL Rookie of the Year. He averaged 17 points, 7.4 rebounds and 6.8 assists per game. Not bad for a so-called inefficient scorer. He has also been covered by media all over the world and has millions of followers on social media. Whether you like it or not, LaMelo Ball has been a basketball prodigy since he was a teenager. No different from Luka Doncic and Lebron James.

Lebron James shot 29% from three his rookie year. In year seventeen, he's shooting 34%.

Luka Doncic shot 31% from three his rookie year and is only shooting 32% from three in his second year.

The notion that LaMelo won't be good because he doesn't shoot a high percentage from three is just wrong.

LaMelo took 17 shots to get those 17 points. That is not good.

LaMelo also shot 36.3% from three, which is a higher three point percentage than Luka Doncic.

[thedarkstark]

LaMelo Ball was named NBL Rookie of the Year. He averaged 17 points, 7.4 rebounds and 6.8 assists per game. Not bad for a so-called inefficient scorer. He has also been covered by media all over the world and has millions of followers on social media. Whether you like it or not, LaMelo Ball has been a basketball prodigy since he was a teenager. No different from Luka Doncic and Lebron James.

Lebron James shot 29% from three his rookie year. In year seventeen, he's shooting 34%.

Luka Doncic shot 31% from three his rookie year and is only shooting 32% from three in his second year.

The notion that LaMelo won't be good because he doesn't shoot a high percentage from three is just wrong.

LaMelo took 17 shots to get those 17 points. That is not good.

1PPS is in fact quite awful, it's Kris Dunn-esque.

[thedarkstark]

LaMelo Ball was named NBL Rookie of the Year. He averaged 17 points, 7.4 rebounds and 6.8 assists per game. Not bad for a so-called inefficient scorer. He has also been covered by media all over the world and has millions of followers on social media. Whether you like it or not, LaMelo Ball has been a basketball prodigy since he was a teenager. No different from Luka Doncic and Lebron James.

Lebron James shot 29% from three his rookie year. In year seventeen, he's shooting 34%.

Luka Doncic shot 31% from three his rookie year and is only shooting 32% from three in his second year.

The notion that LaMelo won't be good because he doesn't shoot a high percentage from three is just wrong.

LaMelo took 17 shots to get those 17 points. That is not good.

LaMelo also shot 36.3% from three, which is a higher three point percentage than Luka Doncic.

Buddy, he shot 37% FROM THE FIELD, he shot 25% from 3 lmao

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/lamelo-ball-1.html