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[TheFinishSniper]

I don't think the Reinsdorf's are interested in completely bottoming out due to potential loss of revenue.
I do however believe that they want to allow AK to build his team. I truly believe that AK actually likes some of the talent of the roster and wants to simply improve upon it while adding pieces around it.

If AK wanted to rush in and tear it down, he would have already begun to do so. Same with Donovan coming in as HC. If he was expecting a complete tear down, he likely wouldn't have taken the job.

Complete tear down is harsh word. But in reality we have nothing really to tear down if you think about it. They can only build up something. Using current roster players and trading them for new assets, another player or picks can still be definition of building up a team. As long those players are used as foundation. Dont you ever assume certain words in some context mean only one thing. You also cant really expect to build a good team on rocky foundation. You will only fail and it will collapse. AK never really said anywhere he is interested or believes in White-Lavine-Markkanen-WCJ core. And I dont think he should be forced to add or build a around those players. Because all of them are flawed. That's 4 guys who are flawed to the core, some more than others.

[MrFortune3]

I don't think the Reinsdorf's are interested in completely bottoming out due to potential loss of revenue.
I do however believe that they want to allow AK to build his team. I truly believe that AK actually likes some of the talent of the roster and wants to simply improve upon it while adding pieces around it.

If AK wanted to rush in and tear it down, he would have already begun to do so. Same with Donovan coming in as HC. If he was expecting a complete tear down, he likely wouldn't have taken the job.

Complete tear down is harsh word. But in reality we have nothing really to tear down if you think about it. They can only build up something. Using current roster players and trading them for new assets, another player or picks can still be definition of building up a team. As long those players are used as foundation. Dont you ever assume certain words in some context mean only one thing. You also cant really expect to build a good team on rocky foundation. You will only fail and it will collapse. AK never really said anywhere he is interested or believes in White-Lavine-Markkanen-WCJ core. And I dont think he should be forced to add or build a around those players. Because all of them are flawed. That's 4 guys who are flawed to the core, some more than others.

It's not harsh in the context of what some are expecting.
Taking a current asset and flipping it for a future one is tearing it down if you do it in bulk.

I do not expect AK to make many trades early on. I don't think there will be any real shake up as I believe the plan is to utilize the players we have and add pieces around them to augment the roster.

Gaining future assets is nice but if the eventual payoff doesn't work then it's all for naught. Not that you can be afraid to risk it, you have to have a plan and utilize it with conviction.

[Grodoboldo]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260097/NBA-NBPA-Running-Out-Of-Time-For-Dec-22nd-Start-To-Season

Superstars and owners will be just fine, the minimum salary guys and rookies are gonna get screwed. That's seriously **** up.

[MrSparkle]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260097/NBA-NBPA-Running-Out-Of-Time-For-Dec-22nd-Start-To-Season

Superstars and owners will be just fine, the minimum salary guys and rookies are gonna get screwed. That's seriously **** up.

Honestly, as a guy who can't do my line of work full-time (safely) cause of COVID, with the precautions and medical staffs that NBA has in place, I'd be all about getting back to work.

If well-paid guys are fine with their cash reserves, so be it. But I'm imagining rookies and non-guaranteed vets want to play and earn some money.

Again, I understand if the Lakers and Heat need to take an extra month off, but that can't possibly be the reason for the other 28 teams delaying the start of a shortened season? What am I missing?

[Grodoboldo]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260097/NBA-NBPA-Running-Out-Of-Time-For-Dec-22nd-Start-To-Season

Superstars and owners will be just fine, the minimum salary guys and rookies are gonna get screwed. That's seriously **** up.

Honestly, as a guy who can't do my line of work full-time (safely) cause of COVID, with the precautions and medical staffs that NBA has in place, I'd be all about getting back to work.

If well-paid guys are fine with their cash reserves, so be it. But I'm imagining rookies and non-guaranteed vets want to play and earn some money.

Again, I understand if the Lakers and Heat need to take an extra month off, but that can't possibly be the reason for the other 28 teams delaying the start of a shortened season? What am I missing?

I'm a doctor, so I've had to work during the entire pandemic. I'm fortunate to be in a specialty far from the frontlines, though I've lost colleagues. I understand the hardship of having to work in these circumstances. But if that's what's holding them back, better cancel the season and move on. That would be completely understandable, BTW. Nothing is more important than health, and there's absolutely no shame in keeping yourself safe.
But that's not what's happening, apparently. Because little will change between December and January, unfortunately. This just feels like the NBPA playing hardball in the name of some Superstars. If that's the case, they better watch out, because I'm sure that there'll be owners pressing for a lock out.

[TheStig]

I don't think the Reinsdorf's are interested in completely bottoming out due to potential loss of revenue.
I do however believe that they want to allow AK to build his team. I truly believe that AK actually likes some of the talent of the roster and wants to simply improve upon it while adding pieces around it.

If AK wanted to rush in and tear it down, he would have already begun to do so. Same with Donovan coming in as HC. If he was expecting a complete tear down, he likely wouldn't have taken the job.

Complete tear down is harsh word. But in reality we have nothing really to tear down if you think about it. They can only build up something. Using current roster players and trading them for new assets, another player or picks can still be definition of building up a team. As long those players are used as foundation. Dont you ever assume certain words in some context mean only one thing. You also cant really expect to build a good team on rocky foundation. You will only fail and it will collapse. AK never really said anywhere he is interested or believes in White-Lavine-Markkanen-WCJ core. And I dont think he should be forced to add or build a around those players. Because all of them are flawed. That's 4 guys who are flawed to the core, some more than others.

It's not harsh in the context of what some are expecting.
Taking a current asset and flipping it for a future one is tearing it down if you do it in bulk.

I do not expect AK to make many trades early on. I don't think there will be any real shake up as I believe the plan is to utilize the players we have and add pieces around them to augment the roster.

Gaining future assets is nice but if the eventual payoff doesn't work then it's all for naught. Not that you can be afraid to risk it, you have to have a plan and utilize it with conviction.

AK and BD were quoted as liking the core. I also don't think the Reinsdorf's would have even considered a tear down candidate. Their MO is trying to be a good playoff team while under the LT. They want to maximize profit. That doesn't happen when the team is dreadful, the stadium is empty, no playoff revenue and losing season ticket holders.

The only hope we have is that AK successfully swings for the fences and is not so conservative like GarPax. When there is a trade for a star, it would be nice to make it happen for once and not be terrified of trading a first.

[dougthonus]

The only hope we have is that AK successfully swings for the fences and is not so conservative like GarPax. When there is a trade for a star, it would be nice to make it happen for once and not be terrified of trading a first.

I don't think that is the only hope. The hope can be that AK consistently makes good decisions without swinging for the fences, hits well in the draft, builds a strong culture, good team, and is able to lure stars later. Denver didn't trade for any star players in their build.

[samwana]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260097/NBA-NBPA-Running-Out-Of-Time-For-Dec-22nd-Start-To-Season

Superstars and owners will be just fine, the minimum salary guys and rookies are gonna get screwed. That's seriously **** up.

Honestly, as a guy who can't do my line of work full-time (safely) cause of COVID, with the precautions and medical staffs that NBA has in place, I'd be all about getting back to work.

If well-paid guys are fine with their cash reserves, so be it. But I'm imagining rookies and non-guaranteed vets want to play and earn some money.

Again, I understand if the Lakers and Heat need to take an extra month off, but that can't possibly be the reason for the other 28 teams delaying the start of a shortened season? What am I missing?

I'm a doctor, so I've had to work during the entire pandemic. I'm fortunate to be in a specialty far from the frontlines, though I've lost colleagues. I understand the hardship of having to work in these circumstances. But if that's what's holding them back, better cancel the season and move on. That would be completely understandable, BTW. Nothing is more important than health, and there's absolutely no shame in keeping yourself safe.
But that's not what's happening, apparently. Because little will change between December and January, unfortunately. This just feels like the NBPA playing hardball in the name of some Superstars. If that's the case, they better watch out, because I'm sure that there'll be owners pressing for a lock out.

I'm sure a lockout is in their minds. The players are not in the best position here. If they play it hardcore there will be a lot of players scrambling for money, because there won't be such a rich CBA anymore in this situation. All the cards are on the owners side this time.

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[Chi town]

This just Lebron pushing his preferences. He did the same thing to cancel the whole bubble and MJ and Obama talked him off the ledge.

NBAPA will get a lockout if they don't agree to Christmas. Players will take the 1B loss with less games and salaries.

[TheStig]

The only hope we have is that AK successfully swings for the fences and is not so conservative like GarPax. When there is a trade for a star, it would be nice to make it happen for once and not be terrified of trading a first.

I don't think that is the only hope. The hope can be that AK consistently makes good decisions without swinging for the fences, hits well in the draft, builds a strong culture, good team, and is able to lure stars later. Denver didn't trade for any star players in their build.

I mean if he's going to pluck out a Jokic, sure. But realistically, if we are a playoff team or close, we're not drafting a star. For every Jokic or Butler or so on, there are hundreds of Denzel Valentine and Bobby Portis.

[TheStig]

Honestly, as a guy who can't do my line of work full-time (safely) cause of COVID, with the precautions and medical staffs that NBA has in place, I'd be all about getting back to work.

If well-paid guys are fine with their cash reserves, so be it. But I'm imagining rookies and non-guaranteed vets want to play and earn some money.

Again, I understand if the Lakers and Heat need to take an extra month off, but that can't possibly be the reason for the other 28 teams delaying the start of a shortened season? What am I missing?

I'm a doctor, so I've had to work during the entire pandemic. I'm fortunate to be in a specialty far from the frontlines, though I've lost colleagues. I understand the hardship of having to work in these circumstances. But if that's what's holding them back, better cancel the season and move on. That would be completely understandable, BTW. Nothing is more important than health, and there's absolutely no shame in keeping yourself safe.
But that's not what's happening, apparently. Because little will change between December and January, unfortunately. This just feels like the NBPA playing hardball in the name of some Superstars. If that's the case, they better watch out, because I'm sure that there'll be owners pressing for a lock out.

I'm sure a lockout is in their minds. The players are not in the best position here. If they play it hardcore there will be a lot of players scrambling for money, because there won't be such a rich CBA anymore in this situation. All the cards are on the owners side this time.

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And with no fans in the stands, owners will go for blood. The players will do much worse in the new CBA.

[Chi town]

I like sound of inevitable.

The Masters next week then two weeks of football. 2 week fo training camp. A few preseason games and then the start of Bulls basketball with real leadership.

[MrFortune3]

Complete tear down is harsh word. But in reality we have nothing really to tear down if you think about it. They can only build up something. Using current roster players and trading them for new assets, another player or picks can still be definition of building up a team. As long those players are used as foundation. Dont you ever assume certain words in some context mean only one thing. You also cant really expect to build a good team on rocky foundation. You will only fail and it will collapse. AK never really said anywhere he is interested or believes in White-Lavine-Markkanen-WCJ core. And I dont think he should be forced to add or build a around those players. Because all of them are flawed. That's 4 guys who are flawed to the core, some more than others.

It's not harsh in the context of what some are expecting.
Taking a current asset and flipping it for a future one is tearing it down if you do it in bulk.

I do not expect AK to make many trades early on. I don't think there will be any real shake up as I believe the plan is to utilize the players we have and add pieces around them to augment the roster.

Gaining future assets is nice but if the eventual payoff doesn't work then it's all for naught. Not that you can be afraid to risk it, you have to have a plan and utilize it with conviction.

AK and BD were quoted as liking the core. I also don't think the Reinsdorf's would have even considered a tear down candidate. Their MO is trying to be a good playoff team while under the LT. They want to maximize profit. That doesn't happen when the team is dreadful, the stadium is empty, no playoff revenue and losing season ticket holders.

The only hope we have is that AK successfully swings for the fences and is not so conservative like GarPax. When there is a trade for a star, it would be nice to make it happen for once and not be terrified of trading a first.

This is why player development is so important. If you develop your players and get the culture correct...it will help elevate the franchise without having to swing for the fences. That's not the model Denver used and I doubt it will be the one AK uses.
I do feel they will go after FA's but I do not feel that AK's plan is simply to back on a big ticket signing or trade.

I think most people assume(because they dislike the flaws)that the talk of AK and Evs liking the core was all fluff. They are likely to simply build around and continue to add to instead of tear it down and flip pieces for future assets.

[MrFortune3]

The only hope we have is that AK successfully swings for the fences and is not so conservative like GarPax. When there is a trade for a star, it would be nice to make it happen for once and not be terrified of trading a first.

I don't think that is the only hope. The hope can be that AK consistently makes good decisions without swinging for the fences, hits well in the draft, builds a strong culture, good team, and is able to lure stars later. Denver didn't trade for any star players in their build.

I mean if he's going to pluck out a Jokic, sure. But realistically, if we are a playoff team or close, we're not drafting a star. For every Jokic or Butler or so on, there are hundreds of Denzel Valentine and Bobby Portis.

This is a different type of FO though. They go for high potential guys they can develop into very good players for their core and team overall.

[TheStig]

It's not harsh in the context of what some are expecting.
Taking a current asset and flipping it for a future one is tearing it down if you do it in bulk.

I do not expect AK to make many trades early on. I don't think there will be any real shake up as I believe the plan is to utilize the players we have and add pieces around them to augment the roster.

Gaining future assets is nice but if the eventual payoff doesn't work then it's all for naught. Not that you can be afraid to risk it, you have to have a plan and utilize it with conviction.

AK and BD were quoted as liking the core. I also don't think the Reinsdorf's would have even considered a tear down candidate. Their MO is trying to be a good playoff team while under the LT. They want to maximize profit. That doesn't happen when the team is dreadful, the stadium is empty, no playoff revenue and losing season ticket holders.

The only hope we have is that AK successfully swings for the fences and is not so conservative like GarPax. When there is a trade for a star, it would be nice to make it happen for once and not be terrified of trading a first.

This is why player development is so important. If you develop your players and get the culture correct...it will help elevate the franchise without having to swing for the fences. That's not the model Denver used and I doubt it will be the one AK uses.
I do feel they will go after FA's but I do not feel that AK's plan is simply to back on a big ticket signing or trade.

I think most people assume(because they dislike the flaws)that the talk of AK and Evs liking the core was all fluff. They are likely to simply build around and continue to add to instead of tear it down and flip pieces for future assets.

What you describe takes time. Not a day, not a month, not a year. I think the time table is much shorter.

[kodo]

Agreed on player development being key. Forget the 3 ball, the real modernization of the NBA is player development. It isn't just Denver, Raptors are also a player development win. Raps won the equivalent of 60 games this year with a core of a 24th pick, undrafted, and 27th pick.

Even if the ultimate plan is to swing for the fences, that's always an option later with a player development strategy. That's essentially what Masai did by adding Kawhi to a Raps team that won 59 without Kawhi.

[MrSparkle]

Agreed on player development being key. Forget the 3 ball, the real modernization of the NBA is player development. It isn't just Denver, Raptors are also a player development win. Raps won the equivalent of 60 games this year with a core of a 24th pick, undrafted, and 27th pick.

Even if the ultimate plan is to swing for the fences, that's always an option later with a player development strategy. That's essentially what Masai did by adding Kawhi to a Raps team that won 59 without Kawhi.

This is a great point. You do need 3P shooters, but focusing on that is just an easy way to miss a dozen other more important attributes. The proof is in the pudding: Brooks, McDermott, Niko could shoot the 3P, but that 14-15 team wasn't nearly good enough (healthy MDJ too, to an extent - fit well with Jimmy, but was a recurring liability in rounds 1 & 2).

The Kobe Lakers come to mind as the perfect example of what you want from your 3P shooting - Fisher, Horry, Ariza/Artest/Fox, Odom, Shaw/Hunter/Sasha, these guys could all shoot open 3P, but they brought a ton of other skills to the table. They weren't Redicks or Korvers. And really, these guys were well-rounded prospects who developed well-rounded games in their various stints and years in the league.

Nowadays, I think a few organizations like TOR and MIA cracked the modern code for internal development. The 3-ball is part of it, but more importantly there's just a strong training program for peak conditioning, defensive fundamentals, running an offense. You remove Herro and Duncan from MIA, they probably don't make the finals, but they'd still compete into the 2nd round with a bunch of non-lotto players.

Based on their resumes and what they said, I do think Artunas and Donovan are on the same page about making that happen here.

[Chi town]

Who thinks Bulls will get a Christmas Day game?

New coach and FO. High picked rookie.

I think they will. Namely because of their big market and money.

[Michael Jackson]

Who thinks Bulls will get a Christmas Day game?

New coach and FO. High picked rookie.

I think they will. Namely because of their big market and money.

I wouldn’t be surprised that almost every team gets a Xmas day game this year but I don’t think they will get a national game if that is the case, nothing to really showcase yet. A new FO and coach isn’t national tv worthy.

[MrFortune3]

AK and BD were quoted as liking the core. I also don't think the Reinsdorf's would have even considered a tear down candidate. Their MO is trying to be a good playoff team while under the LT. They want to maximize profit. That doesn't happen when the team is dreadful, the stadium is empty, no playoff revenue and losing season ticket holders.

The only hope we have is that AK successfully swings for the fences and is not so conservative like GarPax. When there is a trade for a star, it would be nice to make it happen for once and not be terrified of trading a first.

This is why player development is so important. If you develop your players and get the culture correct...it will help elevate the franchise without having to swing for the fences. That's not the model Denver used and I doubt it will be the one AK uses.
I do feel they will go after FA's but I do not feel that AK's plan is simply to back on a big ticket signing or trade.

I think most people assume(because they dislike the flaws)that the talk of AK and Evs liking the core was all fluff. They are likely to simply build around and continue to add to instead of tear it down and flip pieces for future assets.

What you describe takes time. Not a day, not a month, not a year. I think the time table is much shorter.

Building anything takes time to do it right. We have talent on the team, we just need to create a culture and develop it along with the players.
I'm not worried about how much time it takes. Just do it right.