NBA Trade Thread # 3

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Young's value is never gonna be higher. He is 32-33 yo and next season Bulls need to pay him 14,5. When you have Williams who needs minutes, possible Markkanen on new contract, you need to look at the big picture and sell high on Young. Late first or two second round picks or second rounder and reclamation young player with freeing up additional 14,5 mil in cap space is no brainer for me.

[NecessaryEvil]

I definitely feel like they will (or should) sell high.

Markkanen, Young, Satoransky, Hutchinson, Valentine, Gafford, Otto & Felicio's expirings. That's a pretty unique pool of assets to have for dealings. Try to attain as many 1sts & 2nds as possible.

Zach, White, Temple, P-Williams, Carter Jr., Arcidiacono (retained for 20-21 season)

We should definitely be acquiring Lonzo Ball if Zion is doing this now :

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Markkanen & Sato for Ball & a 2nd

G Ball / Pick
G Lavine / White
F P-Williams / Pick
F Pick
C Carter Jr. / Simonovic (2020 pick)

[Dez]

Young's value is never gonna be higher. He is 32-33 yo and next season Bulls need to pay him 14,5. When you have Williams who needs minutes, possible Markkanen on new contract, you need to look at the big picture and sell high on Young. Late first or two second round picks or second rounder and reclamation young player with freeing up additional 14,5 mil in cap space is no brainer for me.

We don't need to trade Thad.
- His age is irrelevant
- Williams is getting minutes
- Markkanen is irrelevant when discussing Thad
- You're not looking at the big picture
- Second round picks are useless as is another young player, we've got young players developing
- The cap space is meaningless unless there's a big time FA available

You haven't made any arguments let alone good arguments in that post.

[HomoSapien]

Young's value is never gonna be higher. He is 32-33 yo and next season Bulls need to pay him 14,5. When you have Williams who needs minutes, possible Markkanen on new contract, you need to look at the big picture and sell high on Young. Late first or two second round picks or second rounder and reclamation young player with freeing up additional 14,5 mil in cap space is no brainer for me.

If you can trade Young for something of value you do it, but getting second-round picks for him would be a disaster. He means too much to the team, and making the playoffs and competing day in and day out is far more important than getting an extra second-round pick.

As to your other point, there are enough minutes for Lauri, Williams, and Thad. Porter is what makes the minutes tight, but we both know that Lauri and Porter can't be depended on to play in games consistently.

[TheHrvReport]

Man, I really like the idea of getting Vucevic and sliding Pat to the 4.

[Chi town]

I’d trade anything not named Pat or Lavine for Haliburton. He’s the perfect fit for us. 2 way perfection.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Young's value is never gonna be higher. He is 32-33 yo and next season Bulls need to pay him 14,5. When you have Williams who needs minutes, possible Markkanen on new contract, you need to look at the big picture and sell high on Young. Late first or two second round picks or second rounder and reclamation young player with freeing up additional 14,5 mil in cap space is no brainer for me.

If you can trade Young for something of value you do it, but getting second-round picks for him would be a disaster. He means too much to the team, and making the playoffs and competing day in and day out is far more important than getting an extra second-round pick.

As to your other point, there are enough minutes for Lauri, Williams, and Thad. Porter is what makes the minutes tight, but we both know that Lauri and Porter can't be depended on to play in games consistently.

I agree Young is valuable, but for me is most of the 14,5 freeing cap space is biggest motivation. Imagine Bulls having 31 mil in cap space and possibility to sign John Collins or Jarett Allen on longterm deal. I wouldnt choose T.Young over possibility of signing longterm quality starters.

[HomoSapien]

Young's value is never gonna be higher. He is 32-33 yo and next season Bulls need to pay him 14,5. When you have Williams who needs minutes, possible Markkanen on new contract, you need to look at the big picture and sell high on Young. Late first or two second round picks or second rounder and reclamation young player with freeing up additional 14,5 mil in cap space is no brainer for me.

If you can trade Young for something of value you do it, but getting second-round picks for him would be a disaster. He means too much to the team, and making the playoffs and competing day in and day out is far more important than getting an extra second-round pick.

As to your other point, there are enough minutes for Lauri, Williams, and Thad. Porter is what makes the minutes tight, but we both know that Lauri and Porter can't be depended on to play in games consistently.

I agree Young is valuable, but for me is most of the 14,5 freeing cap space is biggest motivation. Imagine Bulls having 31 mil in cap space and possibility to sign John Collins or Jarett Allen on longterm deal. I wouldnt choose T.Young over possibility of signing longterm quality starters.

Unless I'm mistaken, we can offer a max contract this summer even with Young and Satoransky on our roster. We're clearing almost $45 million just from Otto, Lauri, and Felicio's expiring contracts (and an additional $10M from Valentine, Temple, and Kornet).

[WindyCityBorn]

I definitely feel like they will (or should) sell high.

Markkanen, Young, Satoransky, Hutchinson, Valentine, Gafford, Otto & Felicio's expirings. That's a pretty unique pool of assets to have for dealings. Try to attain as many 1sts & 2nds as possible.

Zach, White, Temple, P-Williams, Carter Jr., Arcidiacono (retained for 20-21 season)

We should definitely be acquiring Lonzo Ball if Zion is doing this now :

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Markkanen & Sato for Ball & a 2nd

G Ball / Pick
G Lavine / White
F P-Williams / Pick
F Pick
C Carter Jr. / Simonovic (2020 pick)

I’d rather keep Sato. A 2nd is just about worthless.

[WindyCityBorn]

Man, I really like the idea of getting Vucevic and sliding Pat to the 4.

I really hate the idea of making him a 4. He loses most most his physical advantages there. He plays like 3. Sure for some small ball lineups it’s OK, but I cannot ever see him being dominant player at that position. I can see it at SF.

[WindyCityBorn]

I’d trade anything not named Pat or Lavine for Haliburton. He’s the perfect fit for us. 2 way perfection.

And Sacramento would not trade him for anything less than Zach!

[Kukoc-Lauri]

I definitely feel like they will (or should) sell high.

Markkanen, Young, Satoransky, Hutchinson, Valentine, Gafford, Otto & Felicio's expirings. That's a pretty unique pool of assets to have for dealings. Try to attain as many 1sts & 2nds as possible.

Zach, White, Temple, P-Williams, Carter Jr., Arcidiacono (retained for 20-21 season)

We should definitely be acquiring Lonzo Ball if Zion is doing this now :

Read on Twitter

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Markkanen & Sato for Ball & a 2nd

G Ball / Pick
G Lavine / White
F P-Williams / Pick
F Pick
C Carter Jr. / Simonovic (2020 pick)

I’d rather keep Sato. A 2nd is just about worthless.

Please tell that to Arturas Karnisovas who selected Jokic with 44 pick, Monte Morris with 56 pick. There is few european stash players in second round like German center Ariel Hupokorti, Barca big men Ibou Badji, Lithuanin pg Rokas Jokoubaitis, French swingman Malcom Cazalon, that could end up being quality rotational players on cheap contracts.

[MalagaBulls]

Boogie will go through waivers. Worth a flyer?

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[Andi Obst]

Boogie will go through waivers. Worth a flyer?

Pass. He'll give you a good game here and there, but he's clearly not the same after all those injuries. Bad defender, super inefficient offensive player who still wants the ball a lot. Also not exactly known as a strong locker room presence either. I used to love watching young Boogie in Sacramento, but that guy is no longer there.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Young's value is never gonna be higher. He is 32-33 yo and next season Bulls need to pay him 14,5. When you have Williams who needs minutes, possible Markkanen on new contract, you need to look at the big picture and sell high on Young. Late first or two second round picks or second rounder and reclamation young player with freeing up additional 14,5 mil in cap space is no brainer for me.

We don't need to trade Thad.
- His age is irrelevant
- Williams is getting minutes
- Markkanen is irrelevant when discussing Thad
- You're not looking at the big picture
- Second round picks are useless as is another young player, we've got young players developing
- The cap space is meaningless unless there's a big time FA available

You haven't made any arguments let alone good arguments in that post.

His age is relevant in the sense he cannot play 35-40 every night. His stamina doesent allow that kind of production for season
Markkanen is relevant in sense you have to pay him this summer. He is irrelevant only if you are letting him walk in free agency. Even in s/t deal money available to take back is extremly important.
33 yo solid player is irrelevant in big picture for rebuilding teams without building blocks in place
Arturas Karnisovas second round picks are worthless theory 44 pick Nikola Jokic, 56 Monte Morris, 48 pick Bol Bol, 40 ish pick Rudy Gobert(traded). Good luck selling that to Karnisovas.
Cap space is extremly relevant in sense Bulls would miss top thier fa if they are available superstar types of players, but this second tier upcoming young players with talent in 15-25 price range, that can grow alongside your core (when you make choices in offseason who is staying) like Allen,Collins,Ball,Gary Trent Jr., and you still have room to potentially absorb bad expiring contract/s from contenders for additional draft assets or young player/s. So i debunked that false narrative that cap space is not important especially having in mind Ak's words that their main goal is to keep financial flexibility and clean slate moving forwards with evaluation of players on current roster.

[kodo]

Cousins has been better than expectations this year, great per minute production. He's always been a sharp point center as well, something Billy requires out of his centers. If you believe in defensive metrics, they're not worse than Wendell's (DRPM is the same, DBPM is better).

One thing that's a concern is that he's been just bombing this season, over half his shots are 3s. Is that just a product of Houston basketball or is that what he wants to do now? That's not the role of the center in our system, to just park outside and shoot 3s all game.

I'd be for it, but that would be admitting Wendell has a limited ceiling and I doubt Chicago is going to broadcast that. The optics would be bad.

[Dez]

Young's value is never gonna be higher. He is 32-33 yo and next season Bulls need to pay him 14,5. When you have Williams who needs minutes, possible Markkanen on new contract, you need to look at the big picture and sell high on Young. Late first or two second round picks or second rounder and reclamation young player with freeing up additional 14,5 mil in cap space is no brainer for me.

We don't need to trade Thad.
- His age is irrelevant
- Williams is getting minutes
- Markkanen is irrelevant when discussing Thad
- You're not looking at the big picture
- Second round picks are useless as is another young player, we've got young players developing
- The cap space is meaningless unless there's a big time FA available

You haven't made any arguments let alone good arguments in that post.

His age is relevant in the sense he cannot play 35-40 every night. His stamina doesent allow that kind of production for season
Markkanen is relevant in sense you have to pay him this summer. He is irrelevant only if you are letting him walk in free agency. Even in s/t deal money available to take back is extremly important.
33 yo solid player is irrelevant in big picture for rebuilding teams without building blocks in place
Arturas Karnisovas second round picks are worthless theory 44 pick Nikola Jokic, 56 Monte Morris, 48 pick Bol Bol, 40 ish pick Rudy Gobert(traded). Good luck selling that to Karnisovas.
Cap space is extremly relevant in sense Bulls would miss top thier fa if they are available superstar types of players, but this second tier upcoming young players with talent in 15-25 price range, that can grow alongside your core (when you make choices in offseason who is staying) like Allen,Collins,Ball,Gary Trent Jr., and you still have room to potentially absorb bad expiring contract/s from contenders for additional draft assets or young player/s. So i debunked that false narrative that cap space is not important especially having in mind Ak's words that their main goal is to keep financial flexibility and clean slate moving forwards with evaluation of players on current roster.

Once again, swing and a miss.

- Thad doesn't need to play 35-40 minutes a night, LaVine plays the heaviest minutes for the Bulls and he's at a tad under 36.
- Again Markkanen isn't relevant because whether he's here or not there's minutes for both.
- Actually a veteran like Thad is completely relevant for a rebuilding team, both on the court and off the court as we're seeing this season.
- So 3 second round picks that panned out is your argument? Also lol at including Bol Bol.
- The Bulls have cap space and a significant part of attracting FAs is having capable players to help them win, players like Thad Young. You think that potential FAs are going to want to come to Chicago if the FO is trading away players that help win games? The answer is no.

As for your financial flexibility angle, that lends itself to not spending money on an injury prone big that offers nothing outside of scoring (inconsistently at that). So by your own logic the FO should be doing their utmost to get Lauri off this team for an asset ASAP so they maintain financial flexibility for the future.

[kodo]

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Great, get something done AK.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

We don't need to trade Thad.
- His age is irrelevant
- Williams is getting minutes
- Markkanen is irrelevant when discussing Thad
- You're not looking at the big picture
- Second round picks are useless as is another young player, we've got young players developing
- The cap space is meaningless unless there's a big time FA available

You haven't made any arguments let alone good arguments in that post.

His age is relevant in the sense he cannot play 35-40 every night. His stamina doesent allow that kind of production for season
Markkanen is relevant in sense you have to pay him this summer. He is irrelevant only if you are letting him walk in free agency. Even in s/t deal money available to take back is extremly important.
33 yo solid player is irrelevant in big picture for rebuilding teams without building blocks in place
Arturas Karnisovas second round picks are worthless theory 44 pick Nikola Jokic, 56 Monte Morris, 48 pick Bol Bol, 40 ish pick Rudy Gobert(traded). Good luck selling that to Karnisovas.
Cap space is extremly relevant in sense Bulls would miss top thier fa if they are available superstar types of players, but this second tier upcoming young players with talent in 15-25 price range, that can grow alongside your core (when you make choices in offseason who is staying) like Allen,Collins,Ball,Gary Trent Jr., and you still have room to potentially absorb bad expiring contract/s from contenders for additional draft assets or young player/s. So i debunked that false narrative that cap space is not important especially having in mind Ak's words that their main goal is to keep financial flexibility and clean slate moving forwards with evaluation of players on current roster.

Once again, swing and a miss.

- Thad doesn't need to play 35-40 minutes a night, LaVine plays the heaviest minutes for the Bulls and he's at a tad under 36.
- Again Markkanen isn't relevant because whether he's here or not there's minutes for both.
- Actually a veteran like Thad is completely relevant for a rebuilding team, both on the court and off the court as we're seeing this season.
- So 3 second round picks that panned out is your argument? Also lol at including Bol Bol.
- The Bulls have cap space and a significant part of attracting FAs is having capable players to help them win, players like Thad Young. You think that potential FAs are going to want to come to Chicago if the FO is trading away players that help win games? The answer is no.

As for your financial flexibility angle, that lends itself to not spending money on an injury prone big that offers nothing outside of scoring (inconsistently at that). So by your own logic the FO should be doing their utmost to get Lauri off this team for an asset ASAP so they maintain financial flexibility for the future.

Again Arturas Karnisovas would dismissed you very same moment you downplayed arguments of second round pick. Mvp Nikola Jokic at 44 is my argument. For you that is laughable that only shows your knowledge or lack the same. It is hard for me to imagine, that for guys like John Collins,Lonzo Ball is dream to play with Thaddeus Young 12 ppg role player for his career. Even more confusing is theory that Young is reason Bulls are 13-16, when whole season you are trying to downplay Lavine teammates in wins (Lavine is carrying us like superstar) or in losses, he dont have enough help, Young as role player is not good enough, we need star teamate for Lavine. Guess what John Collins refused 90/4 offer from Hawks, so if John have a choice to play for Bulls for 90/4 and Young as his veteran help and menthor or to sign for 110/4 for Bulls with PWill,Carter,Gafford as his running mates in rotation, i can assure you he will choose 15-20 mil more. So you need free money to slightly overpay those kind of free agents in hope they grow in production to become all stars, kind of Lavine's current contract. Youngs points and rebounds can be replaced and outpreformed by John Collins,Jarett Allen,Andre Drummond and you still have Marko Simonovic your draft and stash pick from last year who could fill backup minutes. Veteran presence can be aquired for veteran minimum guys like Taj Gibson,Jared Dudley or for 5 mil like Temple this year.

[MalagaBulls]

OK, just looking at available options for PG which could be interesting would anyone be interested in trying to pry Mike Conley away from Utah. He is now 33 and will be 34 for most of next next year but has another good 3 years in the tank. He is definitely a good creator/facilitator, and has an excellent career 3PT %. He is also a very good & pesky defender.