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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#561 » by dougthonus » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:36 pm

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The Bears are not allowed to make an offer and Johnson is not allowed to accept one, or even to discuss terms, "today."

I'm sure there's some footsie going on with the agent, but even if the Bears know they want him, it would be very bad if there were news reports that they'd come to an agreement.


You are right. I am an idiot. I don't know how I forgot that Johnson is still coaching. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Don't get me wrong - I'm sure this stuff is back-channeled to some degree all the time, and who knows whether the Bears are handling that element of it well. We just have to have patience if Johnson is really the choice.


Yeah, but definitely what I said can't be fully figured out, so yeah, I'm sure they are back channeling but my pick (Kingsbury) is in the same boat.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#563 » by Jimako10 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:53 am

Man...what if Hendon Hooker is actually really good now from 2 years developing with Ben Johnson. He completely rehabbed Jared Goff
so I guess anything is possible. This would really suck because that's the only way I see Ben Johnson go to the Raiders, if he's allowed to bring his QB (and probably GM) along. They've already cleared the decks and Brady is recruiting him hard.

I felt pretty good about the Bears chances until I read this HH rumor.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#564 » by fleet » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:58 am

Florio FWIW

Most recently, we’ve caught wind of a rumor that the Raiders have made a “massive” contract offer to Johnson. While it’s premature for offers to officially be made, given that they’ve yet to conduct a face-to-face interview with Johnson, the talk is out there that a big number is unofficially out there


There’s currently no other destination that fits. Johnson has interviewed with the Raiders, Bears, Jaguars, and Patriots. The alignment he wants doesn’t exist in Jacksonville, and likely isn’t in play with the Bears. Unless the Cowboys (who blew their window to interview Johnson at any time before the Lions’ season ends because they didn’t interview him via Zoom last week) make a late run, it’s the Raiders or the status quo for Johnson.

More and more people in league circles believe it will be the Raiders.


https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/talk-of-raiders-hiring-ben-johnson-intensifies


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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#566 » by Betta Bulleavit » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:59 am

fleet wrote:Florio FWIW

Most recently, we’ve caught wind of a rumor that the Raiders have made a “massive” contract offer to Johnson. While it’s premature for offers to officially be made, given that they’ve yet to conduct a face-to-face interview with Johnson, the talk is out there that a big number is unofficially out there


There’s currently no other destination that fits. Johnson has interviewed with the Raiders, Bears, Jaguars, and Patriots. The alignment he wants doesn’t exist in Jacksonville, and likely isn’t in play with the Bears. Unless the Cowboys (who blew their window to interview Johnson at any time before the Lions’ season ends because they didn’t interview him via Zoom last week) make a late run, it’s the Raiders or the status quo for Johnson.

More and more people in league circles believe it will be the Raiders.


https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/talk-of-raiders-hiring-ben-johnson-intensifies


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So then Rapaport and Schefter (two pretty credible guys) have conflicting takes on where things stand with Johnson.

I’m inclined to believe Rap more given how all in the Bears seem to be on McCarthy. Perhaps the “rolling out of the red carpet” is a preemptive move to get a guy who likely is in their top group (while the getting is good) instead of missing out for a guy that’s a maybe at best. Is this the right approach? Not sure. But for the BJ or bust fans, this is very discouraging.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#567 » by MisterRoy » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:32 am

If it's McCarthy, I like the idea of hiring a head coach with head coaching experience. It feels right.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#568 » by Betta Bulleavit » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:43 am

MisterRoy wrote:If it's McCarthy, I like the idea of hiring a head coach with head coaching experience. It feels right.

I’d be “okay” with McCarthy from a standpoint of fandom. He is 3rd/4th (tied with Kingsbury) on my list of desirable HCs. So, from that end, I’d be mildly disappointed.

However, if we hire McCarthy and it turns out that he was always high on Poles’ list, then I’m cool with him going that direction as long as he puts his n*ts on it. Plain and simple.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#569 » by fleet » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:14 am

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fleet wrote:Florio FWIW

Most recently, we’ve caught wind of a rumor that the Raiders have made a “massive” contract offer to Johnson. While it’s premature for offers to officially be made, given that they’ve yet to conduct a face-to-face interview with Johnson, the talk is out there that a big number is unofficially out there


There’s currently no other destination that fits. Johnson has interviewed with the Raiders, Bears, Jaguars, and Patriots. The alignment he wants doesn’t exist in Jacksonville, and likely isn’t in play with the Bears. Unless the Cowboys (who blew their window to interview Johnson at any time before the Lions’ season ends because they didn’t interview him via Zoom last week) make a late run, it’s the Raiders or the status quo for Johnson.

More and more people in league circles believe it will be the Raiders.


https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/talk-of-raiders-hiring-ben-johnson-intensifies


And Rapoport on Ben Johnson/Raiders: ‘Seems the direction it’s heading’

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So then Rapaport and Schefter (two pretty credible guys) have conflicting takes on where things stand with Johnson.

I’m inclined to believe Rap more given how all in the Bears seem to be on McCarthy. Perhaps the “rolling out of the red carpet” is a preemptive move to get a guy who likely is in their top group (while the getting is good) instead of missing out for a guy that’s a maybe at best. Is this the right approach? Not sure. But for the BJ or bust fans, this is very discouraging.

I have suspected the Raiders as soon as they fired their GM. That’s commitment. Showing someone love and commitment can be intoxicating for them. And the money of course. The quarterback will solve itself on down the line. Hell, tank a season, next year there should be some good QBs. And believe it or not, playing in a dome matters to an OC. Underrated factor. Not one of the main ones, but not nothing. I can’t help but worry about how easy it was to turn down the Bears. It ought to be pretty hard to turn down the chance to hook up with a great young rookie. Even if the rookie’s franchise is a struggle. Unless he’s not going to be special.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#571 » by Betta Bulleavit » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:00 am

fleet wrote:
Betta Bulleavit wrote:
fleet wrote:Florio FWIW





https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/talk-of-raiders-hiring-ben-johnson-intensifies


And Rapoport on Ben Johnson/Raiders: ‘Seems the direction it’s heading’

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So then Rapaport and Schefter (two pretty credible guys) have conflicting takes on where things stand with Johnson.

I’m inclined to believe Rap more given how all in the Bears seem to be on McCarthy. Perhaps the “rolling out of the red carpet” is a preemptive move to get a guy who likely is in their top group (while the getting is good) instead of missing out for a guy that’s a maybe at best. Is this the right approach? Not sure. But for the BJ or bust fans, this is very discouraging.

I have suspected the Raiders as soon as they fired their GM. That’s commitment. Showing someone love and commitment can be intoxicating for them. And the money of course. The quarterback will solve itself on down the line. Hell, tank a season, next year there should be some good QBs. And believe it or not, playing in a dome matters to an OC. Underrated factor. Not one of the main ones, but not nothing. I can’t help but worry about how easy it was to turn down the Bears. It ought to be pretty hard to turn down the chance to hook up with a great young rookie. Even if the rookie’s franchise is a struggle. Unless he’s not going to be special.

I think that you make a couple of interesting (and perhaps under discussed) points here.

The first is around the dome stadium element. I honestly hadn’t really thought about it. But now that you mention it, it is somewhat peculiar that he didn’t accept a Commanders job that was pretty much being given to him and now, he seems to be shying away from the Bears job. Yet we are getting all this smoke about Vegas, who plays in an environment that BJ is obviously familiar with. Whether it’s a thing or not, it certainly isn’t something the Bears can really do much about at this point. So if that is a factor, the BJ dream is looking as grim as ever.

The second point is around how easy it would be for BJ to turn down the Bears job. While that could be a concern, a perspective that we haven’t really talked enough about is whether or not the fans and media are into BJ more than Poles is. There have been different things floated around about BJ wanting his own guy and wanting a pretty heft bag, etc. I wonder if it’s possible that these things are true and perhaps those things may have been a turn off to Poles. Perhaps to such and extent that he’d turn his focus towards a more experienced candidate that actually has a resume as a HC.

All that said, maybe the Bears aren’t all in on BJ any more than he is on the Bears.
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Post#572 » by panthermark » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:47 pm

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#573 » by panthermark » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:51 pm

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OTH, if Bears wait on McCarthy, and then lose out on Johnson, and meanwhile McCarthy goes elsewhere, people will be saying that is "a total Bears thing". It's a tough situation. Seems like they have to find out from Johnson if he wants to come or not.

If the Bears managed to miss out on Vrabel, Johnson and McCarthy, how else would you describe it other than "same old Bears"?

I wish I knew who their top choice was. I doubt we will ever know because whomever they eventually hire will have been their top choice all along according to any press releases and official statements that go out.


Vrabel was never going to happen, obviously. McCarthy isn't my #3 in the first place. I'm down for Johnson, but there's always some doubt when the person has never been a HC before.

At least specific to McCarthy, I wouldn't really feel like it's a "total Bears thing," since I'm not all that enamored with him in the first place.

Maybe, maybe not (on Vrabel)

Zero effort put into it when he was free to bring in earlier than most. That makes it a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#574 » by panthermark » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:57 pm

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:So then Rapaport and Schefter (two pretty credible guys) have conflicting takes on where things stand with Johnson.

I’m inclined to believe Rap more given how all in the Bears seem to be on McCarthy. Perhaps the “rolling out of the red carpet” is a preemptive move to get a guy who likely is in their top group (while the getting is good) instead of missing out for a guy that’s a maybe at best. Is this the right approach? Not sure. But for the BJ or bust fans, this is very discouraging.

I have suspected the Raiders as soon as they fired their GM. That’s commitment. Showing someone love and commitment can be intoxicating for them. And the money of course. The quarterback will solve itself on down the line. Hell, tank a season, next year there should be some good QBs. And believe it or not, playing in a dome matters to an OC. Underrated factor. Not one of the main ones, but not nothing. I can’t help but worry about how easy it was to turn down the Bears. It ought to be pretty hard to turn down the chance to hook up with a great young rookie. Even if the rookie’s franchise is a struggle. Unless he’s not going to be special.

I think that you make a couple of interesting (and perhaps under discussed) points here.

The first is around the dome stadium element. I honestly hadn’t really thought about it. But now that you mention it, it is somewhat peculiar that he didn’t accept a Commanders job that was pretty much being given to him and now, he seems to be shying away from the Bears job. Yet we are getting all this smoke about Vegas, who plays in an environment that BJ is obviously familiar with. Whether it’s a thing or not, it certainly isn’t something the Bears can really do much about at this point. So if that is a factor, the BJ dream is looking as grim as ever.

The second point is around how easy it would be for BJ to turn down the Bears job. While that could be a concern, a perspective that we haven’t really talked enough about is whether or not the fans and media are into BJ more than Poles is. There have been different things floated around about BJ wanting his own guy and wanting a pretty heft bag, etc. I wonder if it’s possible that these things are true and perhaps those things may have been a turn off to Poles. Perhaps to such and extent that he’d turn his focus towards a more experienced candidate that actually has a resume as a HC.

All that said, maybe the Bears aren’t all in on BJ any more than he is on the Bears.

Those are indeed fair points, and yes, a very good point about the weather. I'm not big on McCarthy, but he did coach in Green Bay for a long time.

The issue with Poles not wanting to basically fire himself was always a rumor that made just enough sense that it could be true.

Whomever the Bears hire, we will be told it was their first choice. But I have a feeling that the reality is more like...their first choice that liked them back.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

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So outside of the catfish situation, St Brown saying “Ben isn’t going to Chicago, might hold some weight. It’s an off the top comment, but he would have some insight. I think we are working on our 2-3 options at this point. Which is disappointing but what can you do.

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Post#577 » by fleet » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:53 pm

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Post#578 » by fleet » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:57 pm

panthermark wrote:
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2025/01/13/nfl/jerry-jones-mike-mccarthy-part-ways-dallas-cowboys-coaching-search

Dallas is a hot mess. Jerry Jones is worse than George. Meddling owners can really mess things up (see Panthers trade). 8-)

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Post#579 » by dougthonus » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:59 pm

Betta Bulleavit wrote:So then Rapaport and Schefter (two pretty credible guys) have conflicting takes on where things stand with Johnson.

I’m inclined to believe Rap more given how all in the Bears seem to be on McCarthy. Perhaps the “rolling out of the red carpet” is a preemptive move to get a guy who likely is in their top group (while the getting is good) instead of missing out for a guy that’s a maybe at best. Is this the right approach? Not sure. But for the BJ or bust fans, this is very discouraging.


I get why fans get hung up on GM / Coach hires, because they're critically important, but the reality is they are extraordinarily hard for fans to gauge their effectiveness. I've never understood when fans just get hyper focused on a coordinator as the guy and have this absolute level of certainty that he's the one we should hire.

I sort of get it if a guy like Harbaugh enters the market, and you know someone is awesome and available, but coordinators are always risks. GMs are even tougher because you never really know what alternatives they had or considered and everyone is playing with a different hand and people often conflate the parts that were lucky with the parts that were skill.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#580 » by fleet » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:37 pm

I’m in. Ben Johnson can hang out with Brady in Vegas, we’re going to win regardless. We will smash watermelons.
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