Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

[TheStig]

KC Johnson is co-hosting on 87.7 The Game right now. Apparently he has already said the following:

Chicago Bulls Zone ‏@TheBullsZone 8m

"Yesterday was described to me as the 'Perfect day'" (K.C. Johnson on 87.7 TheGame)

If anyone has the ability to listen in, please let us know what is being said.

How can it be the perfect day if we didn't get a commitment?

[coldfish]

not saying I would propose the above trade (think that is too much as well) - you can keep McDermott.

But Melo isn't going to Chicago without Taj. That has been pretty clear. So it would be no Melo for you as well.

If that is the case, so be it. We saw what happened when NY gave away the farm for a 26 year old Carmelo. The Bulls aren't going to do the same for a 30 year old version.

My preference was always for Love anyways. I suspect he could be had for less than Butler, Mirotic, McDermott and 3 first round picks.

[kurtatx]

Trade proposal-

Bulls send Rose, Butler, Snell, McDermott, Taj, Mirotic, Noah, and Thibs

Knicks send Amare, Bargs, Calderon, JR Smith, Dalembert, Sump, Ellington, Prigs, Metta, Larkin, Odom, THJr, and Early.

Knicks would demand Benny the Bull. No benny, no firesale trade.

[ingvald]

Trade proposal-

Bulls send Rose, Butler, Snell, McDermott, Taj, Mirotic, Noah, and Thibs

Knicks send Amare, Bargs, Calderon, JR Smith, Dalembert, Sump, Ellington, Prigs, Metta, Larkin, Odom, THJr, and Early.

Knicks would demand Benny the Bull. No benny, no firesale trade.

i just think its funny- some Knicks fans want all the Bulls players and wanted to trade for Thibs (before Kerr) yet don't understand why Melo would want to play in Chicago.

[WindyCityBorn]

not saying I would propose the above trade (think that is too much as well) - you can keep McDermott.

But Melo isn't going to Chicago without Taj. That has been pretty clear. So it would be no Melo for you as well.

I think if you were to let us keep McDermott and take a pick away you would get closer to a realistic trade.

The sac pick is extremely heavily protected. And sending Boozer contract out (using last year GSW trade as an example took 2 1st's and 3 2nd's).

So lets say sending boozer out to a 3rd team would will take Your 2015 pick (swap with Cavs) + Sac Pick + a couple 2nd rounders (seems pretty fair).

Now S&T for Melo still would be required to get him his 20+ million (close if not 22 million). The trade would basically be Melo + JR for Mirotic, 2017 1st round pick, Butler, fillers. (seems pretty fair as well).

So if the knicks were willing to combine both trades to simplify the deal instead of going to a 3rd team and getting you the max for Melo in terms of the 125% trade kicker to send out more money in Melo's S&T.

The bulls would also get there exemptions and get to keep McDermott, Snell and bird rights to DJ Aug as well for depth purposes.

Bull's don't have Bird rights to DJ and you are still demanding to much.

[D_GoLow]

Their graphic artists ain't got nothin on us.

where are the fans?

Houston doesn't have fans (as a Houston resident I feel qualified to say this).

I echo this statement. Been there twice & it felt like a ghost town. My initial thoughts were where are all the people?!?

[umfan83]

Bulls fans what do you think about this from the Knicks board

If we work with Chicago, then the IDEAL package is..

Boozer + Mirotic + McDermott + 2015 first + SAC 2015 fist + 2017 first + a couple of second round picks + Jimmy Butler

for

Melo (and JR if we can make it work under cap).

lmao, an expiring, the best player in europe, essentially 4 first round picks (if you include McDermott), multiple second round picks and our starting SG

for someone who (if the deal happened) can leave your team for nothing, oh and you have to pick up JR Smith's bad contract

[fleet]

Their graphic artists ain't got nothin on us.

That looks ugly as hell.

Toyota Center looks abandoned.

It's a ****.

They don't have a posh hotel to eat in that overlooks Michigan Avenue either.

[mpharris36]

Bulls fans what do you think about this from the Knicks board

If we work with Chicago, then the IDEAL package is..

Boozer + Mirotic + McDermott + 2015 first + SAC 2015 fist + 2017 first + a couple of second round picks + Jimmy Butler

for

Melo (and JR if we can make it work under cap).

I think discussing trades for Melo is a bit foolish on both Bulls and Knicks fans part. If he tells the Knicks he wants to be a Bull the Bulls will find a way to get him what he wants. It will then be up to Knicks on whether or not they want to be a part of that pathway or not. It is possible the Knicks say they will just let him walk away like the Lakers did to Howard. However, I'm telling you a lot of people learned from the Lakers mistake last year. They probably could have gotten Asik and Terrence Jones via S/T last year for Howard. It would have great helped their chances this coming season. It is game of poker and we will see who blinks first...game can only be played though if Melo wants to join Bulls.

Again don't agree with the above trade in terms of value but like I have been saying before. We disagree on when Melo will choose the bulls.

Melo isn't choosing the bulls at 4 years 60-70 million that would mean he would be leaving 60-70 million guaranteed money on the table. Way too much. Melo may decide to choose the bulls if they can get him 90+ million or close to his max for 4 years at 96 million.

That is when he would consider coming to the bulls. He still would be leaving 30+ million in guaranteed money (yes I know its an extra year but its still guaranteed money).

1st action is bulls get Melo the salary he wants

then and if only then Melo would decide to come to the bulls. Until them I think the point is mute.

That is just my take.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

not saying I would propose the above trade (think that is too much as well) - you can keep McDermott.

But Melo isn't going to Chicago without Taj. That has been pretty clear. So it would be no Melo for you as well.

If that is the case, so be it. We saw what happened when NY gave away the farm for a 26 year old Carmelo. The Bulls aren't going to do the same for a 30 year old version.

My preference was always for Love anyways. I suspect he could be had for less than Butler, Mirotic, McDermott and 3 first round picks.

Exactly. if the Bulls were willing to offer that much to another team - Love would have been ours 3 weeks ago. NY would be delusional to think they're getting that kind of return.

[t-time]

Trade proposal-

Bulls send Rose, Butler, Snell, McDermott, Taj, Mirotic, Noah, and Thibs

Knicks send Amare, Bargs, Calderon, JR Smith, Dalembert, Sump, Ellington, Prigs, Metta, Larkin, Odom, THJr, and Early.

Knicks would demand Benny the Bull. No benny, no firesale trade.

Throw in Mike Breen for Neil Funk and another 4 first rounders and it's a deal.

[Professor Frink]

Will the Knicks offer lube in that package?

We have to bring our own lube.

[DRoseCantStop]

KC Johnson is co-hosting on 87.7 The Game right now. Apparently he has already said the following:

Chicago Bulls Zone ‏@TheBullsZone 8m

"Yesterday was described to me as the 'Perfect day'" (K.C. Johnson on 87.7 TheGame)

If anyone has the ability to listen in, please let us know what is being said.

How can it be the perfect day if we didn't get a commitment?

We could have gotten a verbal commitment and kept it under wraps.

[D_GoLow]

Chicago Bulls Rumors ‏@chicagobullsbot 3m
New York Knicks Carmelo Anthony final decision could come down to what La La Anthony wants - (Article: Mike McGraw) - http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2014 ... 140709738/ …

I don't think she wants to leave NY (damnit).

[Chi]

not saying I would propose the above trade (think that is too much as well) - you can keep McDermott.

But Melo isn't going to Chicago without Taj. That has been pretty clear. So it would be no Melo for you as well.

I think if you were to let us keep McDermott and take a pick away you would get closer to a realistic trade.

The sac pick is extremely heavily protected. And sending Boozer contract out (using last year GSW trade as an example took 2 1st's and 3 2nd's).

So lets say sending boozer out to a 3rd team would will take Your 2015 pick (swap with Cavs) + Sac Pick + a couple 2nd rounders (seems pretty fair).

Now S&T for Melo still would be required to get him his 20+ million (close if not 22 million). The trade would basically be Melo + JR for Mirotic, 2017 1st round pick, Butler, fillers. (seems pretty fair as well).

So if the knicks were willing to combine both trades to simplify the deal instead of going to a 3rd team and getting you the max for Melo in terms of the 125% trade kicker to send out more money in Melo's S&T.

The bulls would also get there exemptions and get to keep McDermott, Snell and bird rights to DJ Aug as well for depth purposes.

That's not much better.

I'd rather amnesty boozer and get Melo at the reduced (less then 20mil contract) that he knows he's about to get if he leaves the Knicks. If we give up everything you mentioned (which is our entire immediate future). We become the NY Knicks part 2.

I'd rather just you guys keep Melo and his Max contract all together and we go a different route in free agency before giving all these things up.

It's that serious...

[Magilla_Gorilla]

1st action is bulls get Melo the salary he wants

then and if only then Melo would decide to come to the bulls. Until them I think the point is mute.

That is just my take.

Melo and his agent were aware of what the Bulls were offering - and the Bulls were aware of what Melo was looking for well before this meeting took place. If there was some giant gap in what the two were looking for - why even have the meeting?

[mpharris36]

not saying I would propose the above trade (think that is too much as well) - you can keep McDermott.

But Melo isn't going to Chicago without Taj. That has been pretty clear. So it would be no Melo for you as well.

If that is the case, so be it. We saw what happened when NY gave away the farm for a 26 year old Carmelo. The Bulls aren't going to do the same for a 30 year old version.

My preference was always for Love anyways. I suspect he could be had for less than Butler, Mirotic, McDermott and 3 first round picks.

obviously the difference would be Rose, Noah, and Gibson are all better than Amare. Which was the only piece the knicks had really after the trade. So as long as your were able to keep those 3 in tact (noah, rose, Gibson). Plus keep a couple young role players like Snell and McDermott as well as bringing in JR smith. You would still have 7 or 8 rotational players. As well as being about to offer a FA the full MLE which would be a really nice player as well. You would have the makings of a 8 or 9 man rotation that looks pretty solid.

which is why Mirotic, Butler, and Picks should be on the table, IMO.

[dmk08]

Bulls fans what do you think about this from the Knicks board

I think discussing trades for Melo is a bit foolish on both Bulls and Knicks fans part. If he tells the Knicks he wants to be a Bull the Bulls will find a way to get him what he wants. It will then be up to Knicks on whether or not they want to be a part of that pathway or not. It is possible the Knicks say they will just let him walk away like the Lakers did to Howard. However, I'm telling you a lot of people learned from the Lakers mistake last year. They probably could have gotten Asik and Terrence Jones via S/T last year for Howard. It would have great helped their chances this coming season. It is game of poker and we will see who blinks first...game can only be played though if Melo wants to join Bulls.

Again don't agree with the above trade in terms of value but like I have been saying before. We disagree on when Melo will choose the bulls.

Melo isn't choosing the bulls at 4 years 60-70 million that would mean he would be leaving 60-70 million guaranteed money on the table. Way too much. Melo may decide to choose the bulls if they can get him 90+ million or close to his max for 4 years at 96 million.

That is when he would consider coming to the bulls. He still would be leaving 30+ million in guaranteed money (yes I know its an extra year but its still guaranteed money).

1st action is bulls get Melo the salary he wants

then and if only then Melo would decide to come to the bulls. Until them I think the point is mute.

That is just my take.

Does he sign a smaller contract with an opt out after 2 years when the new TV contract hits? Who knows what they are pitching. Anyway you look at it the Bulls are not going to give up that many assets.

[gmoney411]

If the Bulls don't sign Carmelo, what scoring wings could possibly be available in free agency or by trade? I would hope the Bulls would still amnesty or trade Boozer and use that $11 million or so to improve the team.

Chandler Parsons & Lance Stephenson, then Paul Pierce, then Ariza, then whole load of crap. (Hayward is getting matched by Utah - he isn't available.

I think Houston will resign Parsons at any cost if they strike out on Melo too. I don't know what to think of Stephenson. He could be on the verge of being an all-star or he could end up being a really bad contract. I like Ariza because he is sharpshooter. Pierce would good if limited him to around 20 minutes a game and let him take games off so he'd be fresh for the playoffs.

Stephenson might be the guy to gamble on because we need a second creator and he is solid there. Pierce is cheaper though and he can create as well, plus would allow us to sign Mirotic this year.

The Rockets are likely matching any Parsons offer even if they get Melo. They could have had Parsons at under $1MM for another year so I highly doubt they let him become a RFA this year just to let him go to another team without something in return. The only way Parsons isn't in a Rockets jersey this year is if he is signed and traded to another team.

[kurtatx]

Chicago Bulls Rumors ‏@chicagobullsbot 3m
New York Knicks Carmelo Anthony final decision could come down to what La La Anthony wants - (Article: Mike McGraw) - http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2014 ... 140709738/ …

I don't think she wants to leave NY (damnit).

Kind of obvious, right? "Could" come down to what La La wants. His wife matters? No kidding.