Lauri:' I can make the comeback'

[Stratmaster]

Modern day Toni Kukoc??? You know Toni was Mvp of world championship, 5 time best European player officially and Fiba Hall of fame member, 3 time champion and 6 man of the year. Toni stats suffer from playing in 90 era and with Jordan. Modern day Toni is combo between Luka and Porzingis. People to much randomly throwing names like new Dirk,Kawhi etc. If Lauri gonna have Galinari type career that would be great. By the way Toni had as 33 years old injury plagued player 23/7/6 stat line as member of Atlanta Hawks in 2001-02.

I agree with this 100%. If Lauri were anywhere close to Kukoc impact on the court I would be picking the Bulls to win a playoff series. Lauri isn't in the same universe as Toni.

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What does this stat even mean lol

It means if a bad player plays average in the preseason he can make the top of the list

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[ZOMG]

Modern day Toni Kukoc??? You know Toni was Mvp of world championship, 5 time best European player officially and Fiba Hall of fame member, 3 time champion and 6 man of the year. Toni stats suffer from playing in 90 era and with Jordan. Modern day Toni is combo between Luka and Porzingis. People to much randomly throwing names like new Dirk,Kawhi etc. If Lauri gonna have Galinari type career that would be great. By the way Toni had as 33 years old injury plagued player 23/7/6 stat line as member of Atlanta Hawks in 2001-02.

I agree with this 100%. If Lauri were anywhere close to Kukoc impact on the court I would be picking the Bulls to win a playoff series. Lauri isn't in the same universe as Toni.

That's not a flaw. Kukoc is still criminally underrated by NBA fans. One of the best Europeans to ever pick up a basketball and possibly one of the greatest examples ever of getting by on natural talent.

This guy started playing basketball at 15 and four years later he was leading teams to Euroleague finals as a 6'10'' PG. From what I've read, Kukoc was always super lazy in practice in his European years.

[Stratmaster]

Zach shoots three much better than Lauri despite a lot his being much difficult ie not wide open. Coby is virtually money when is left open in addition the high degree of difficulty shoots too. Struggling to shoot 35 percent from 3 when all your attempts are wide open is not impressive. That is basically what we are hoping for from Wendell Carter....

This. If Lauri shoots 35% from 3, the rest of his game is going to need to explode to make him anything more than a bench player.

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Let's just see what percentage Coby shoots when the real games start. So far he's 35% for his career. You get no style points. A three is a three.

If the Bulls play offense like they did in the 2nd OKC game (and they should), Lauri won't be the problem. He doesn't have to shoot 40% from the perimeter to be "useful" in that setting.

Coby and Wendell, though... they REALLY don't bring anything to the table if they can't score. Carter's D has fallen off a cliff and Coby can't distribute any more than he can guard anyone.

I'd put Sato in the starting lineup without a second thought. It's a damn shame Vonleh is gone. He would've given us everything Wendell does defensively, plus some ballhandling and shooting.

I was commenting on Lauri. Not Coby. I just posted in another thread that Coby will have nights he needs to sit on the bench for 24 minutes.

None of that has anything to do with Lauri.

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[RedBulls23]

Let's just see what percentage Coby shoots when the real games start. So far he's 35% for his career. You get no style points. A three is a three.

Coby and Wendell, though... they REALLY don't bring anything to the table if they can't score. Carter's D has fallen off a cliff and Coby can't distribute any more than he can guard anyone. .

In one sentence you discount Coby's shooting due to preseason, but then say Carter's D has fallen off a cliff based off a few preseason games.

And not sure what either of Coby and Wendell them have to do with Lauri.

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

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[ChicagoSportsFan21]

I would only feel comfortable right now with 48/4 years with a player option and might go up to 60/4 years with a team option if push comes to shove. We shall see if anything gets done by the deadline Monday.

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I would only feel comfortable right now with 48/4 years with a player option and might go up to 60/4 years with a team option if push comes to shove. We shall see if anything gets done by the deadline Monday.

That's exactly where I am. Also, I won't be at all upset if nothing gets done before the season. I'd rather pay up for a guy who demonstrates he's a top 10 PF than get a good deal on a bottom quartile starting PF.

[ZOMG]

I would only feel comfortable right now with 48/4 years with a player option and might go up to 60/4 years with a team option if push comes to shove. We shall see if anything gets done by the deadline Monday.

That's exactly where I am. Also, I won't be at all upset if nothing gets done before the season. I'd rather pay up for a guy who demonstrates he's a top 10 PF than get a good deal on a bottom quartile starting PF.

OK. So how would Markkanen go about "demonstrating he's a top 10 PF"? I assume that the offense would have to be built in such a way that he wouldn't be an afterthought? Otherwise, such an expectation wouldn't make any sense.

Hustling for garbage and spacing the floor aren't exactly the hallmarks of a Top 10 PF... I guess. I really don't have a clear idea of what it means to be a "Top 10 PF" right now.

[sco]

I would only feel comfortable right now with 48/4 years with a player option and might go up to 60/4 years with a team option if push comes to shove. We shall see if anything gets done by the deadline Monday.

That's exactly where I am. Also, I won't be at all upset if nothing gets done before the season. I'd rather pay up for a guy who demonstrates he's a top 10 PF than get a good deal on a bottom quartile starting PF.

OK. So how would Markkanen go about "demonstrating he's a top 10 PF"? I assume that the offense would have to be built in such a way that he wouldn't be an afterthought? Otherwise, such an expectation wouldn't make any sense.

Hustling for garbage and spacing the floor aren't exactly the hallmarks of a Top 10 PF... I guess. I really don't have a clear idea of what it means to be a "Top 10 PF" right now.

Shoot 3's at 39%+, bring down 9RB's per game, play above average defense and improve handles to point were he isn't a walking turn-over in the paint.

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That's exactly where I am. Also, I won't be at all upset if nothing gets done before the season. I'd rather pay up for a guy who demonstrates he's a top 10 PF than get a good deal on a bottom quartile starting PF.

OK. So how would Markkanen go about "demonstrating he's a top 10 PF"? I assume that the offense would have to be built in such a way that he wouldn't be an afterthought? Otherwise, such an expectation wouldn't make any sense.

Hustling for garbage and spacing the floor aren't exactly the hallmarks of a Top 10 PF... I guess. I really don't have a clear idea of what it means to be a "Top 10 PF" right now.

Shoot 3's at 39%+, bring down 9RB's per game, play above average defense and improve handles to point were he isn't a walking turn-over in the paint.

Oh, so just 39% and 9rbs? With above average D??

You're describing a $25 million guy, not 16.

There seems to be a heavy dose of nostalgia in your rebounding requirement. Are you aware what type of numbers the "top 10 PF's" are averaging? Hint: it's not 9.

[fleet]

Lauri’s shot has always looked a bit flat to me. When people say he has a beautiful stroke I never quite know what they mean.

Variable arc. Just last night it looked to me that his earlier makes had higher arc than some misses later.

[Dez]

I agree but he must shoot or he get cold like last ”season”. But only if he get good looks. I like Lauri to go closer to basket more. Not only 3 pointers. 40% was pretty ok today. In Finnish media Lairi said this level he can keep hole season. We will see but then he would be 25/8 player. Near to allstar. Well it was only one game but i did see a lot of ”old” and healthy Lauri.

Dude he can't sustain 40% from 3, hasn't got near it in his career so far there's no reason to believe he could.

Also he took 17 shots for his 22 points and that required him to shoot way above his career average from deep.

Good on him for looking alive but he's still going to need to be better.

17 shots should be about the norm for him.

No it shouldn't.

If someone is taking 17 shots and it's only adding 22 points and they're shooting 40% from in that game then it's not a good thing.

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OK. So how would Markkanen go about "demonstrating he's a top 10 PF"? I assume that the offense would have to be built in such a way that he wouldn't be an afterthought? Otherwise, such an expectation wouldn't make any sense.

Hustling for garbage and spacing the floor aren't exactly the hallmarks of a Top 10 PF... I guess. I really don't have a clear idea of what it means to be a "Top 10 PF" right now.

Shoot 3's at 39%+, bring down 9RB's per game, play above average defense and improve handles to point were he isn't a walking turn-over in the paint.

Oh, so just 39% and 9rbs? With above average D??

You're describing a $25 million guy, not 16.

There seems to be a heavy dose of nostalgia in your rebounding requirement. Are you aware what type of numbers the "top 10 PF's" are averaging? Hint: it's not 9.

Oh ZOMG...love the passion for your cousin. Anyway, make it 7 rb's. And I wouldn't mind paying up for "That Guy" (who we both know isn't going to be your cousin Lauri). I'd much prefer paying $25M for a guy who does that than $12M for whatever g-leaguer stole his jersey last season.

[MrSparkle]

Kinda hope this Lauri contract situation does culminate in a stalemate and trade.

[Stratmaster]

I would only feel comfortable right now with 48/4 years with a player option and might go up to 60/4 years with a team option if push comes to shove. We shall see if anything gets done by the deadline Monday.

That's exactly where I am. Also, I won't be at all upset if nothing gets done before the season. I'd rather pay up for a guy who demonstrates he's a top 10 PF than get a good deal on a bottom quartile starting PF.

OK. So how would Markkanen go about "demonstrating he's a top 10 PF"? I assume that the offense would have to be built in such a way that he wouldn't be an afterthought? Otherwise, such an expectation wouldn't make any sense.

Hustling for garbage and spacing the floor aren't exactly the hallmarks of a Top 10 PF... I guess. I really don't have a clear idea of what it means to be a "Top 10 PF" right now.

Lauri takes almost the same number of shots per 36 as Coby, and only 2 less than Zach.

This is just more Lauri excuses.

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Right now, I hope Lauri is in that situation where he has to bet on himself instead of the Bulls betting on Lauri.

[sco]

So let me ask folks a question. If your only choices were pay Lauri 4/$80M or let him walk for nothing...which way do you go?

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So let me ask folks a question. If your only choices were pay Lauri 4/$80M or let him walk for nothing...which way do you go?

A hypothetical situation which does not apply today. If I am the Bulls, today, I wouldn’t enter into that contract because there is enough chance it is a bad contract that makes it a poor risk to take. Good news is they don’t have to. They can trade him, or wait until later when they have more information.

[TheSuzerain]

You do a sign and trade in the offseason in that scenario.

Signing him up for $20 million a year is basically unthinkable. He's not even a positive player.