NBA Trade Thread # 3

[Kukoc-Lauri]

OK, just looking at available options for PG which could be interesting would anyone be interested in trying to pry Mike Conley away from Utah. He is now 33 and will be 34 for most of next next year but has another good 3 years in the tank. He is definitely a good creator/facilitator, and has an excellent career 3PT %. He is also a very good & pesky defender.

Depends on price. Probably of deal is one guaranteed year around 20 mil and second year team option. Or three year 3/51 17 mil per year with third year being team option. Imo Bulls brass would aknoweledge fact that White's best role in the future is 6 man scorer combo guard from bench. If it is choice between Conley or Ball i believe Bulls will lean more towards Lonzo.

[MalagaBulls]

OK, just looking at available options for PG which could be interesting would anyone be interested in trying to pry Mike Conley away from Utah. He is now 33 and will be 34 for most of next next year but has another good 3 years in the tank. He is definitely a good creator/facilitator, and has an excellent career 3PT %. He is also a very good & pesky defender.

Depends on price. Probably of deal is one guaranteed year around 20 mil and second year team option. Or three year 3/51 17 mil per year with third year being team option. Imo Bulls brass would aknoweledge fact that White's best role in the future is 6 man scorer combo guard from bench. If it is choice between Conley or Ball i believe Bulls will lean more towards Lonzo.

I would tend to agree with you on Ball but would rather have Conley myself. I'm just not a fan of the Ball circus and think Conley gives us a better option. 3/51 with the 3rd year as a team option would certainly be appealing.

[Andi Obst]

Cousins has been better than expectations this year, great per minute production.

The raw numbers might look good per 36, per 100 possessions, whatever you're looking at, but the efficiency is atrociously bad, so what is it really worth? He's playing like I would have expected him to play when he barely found a roster spot in the offseason. Like a shell of his former self. The rebounding has been good though, I'll give him that.

[MalagaBulls]

Cousins has been better than expectations this year, great per minute production.

The raw numbers might look good per 36, per 100 possessions, whatever you're looking at, but the efficiency is atrociously bad, so what is it really worth? He's playing like I would have expected him to play when he barely found a roster spot in the offseason. Like a shell of his former self. The rebounding has been good though, I'll give him that.

Even with the locker room attitude Boogie is another example of a player who was very good/great going into his prime years. But then injuries just derailed his earning power, same as DRose.

[CaPiTanAK]

I would dump WCJ over this off-season, hopefully as a part of a package for us to move up in the draft. Demarcus Cousin will gladly take a 8-12 mil a year deal and I would prefer him over WCJ.

[Andi Obst]

I would dump WCJ over this off-season, hopefully as a part of a package for us to move up in the draft. Demarcus Cousin will gladly take a 8-12 mil a year deal and I would prefer him over WCJ.

Cousins‘ agent: Please give him a minimum deal!

Bulls: 12 million, take it or leave it!

[sco]

On the miracle they come back and show they are healthy...Porter/Markkanen/Carter for Gordon/Fournier/Bamba. Gets ORL out of Gordon's contract a year early and gives them a look a Lauri. If they want to keep Bamba, then,

Porter/Markkanen/Gafford/Felicio for Vuc/Fournier works too.

[WYO]

Vucevic would be an interesting player to see in Donovan's system. Thad and Vuc could be solid although maybe lacking a little defensively. Is there a power forward out there that would fit well next to Vucevic?

Trading for Vucevic would be great as long as there are no first round picks involved.

[ChettheJet]

Right now the injured guys are the ones I wish could be traded because without them the Bulls are getting by, if they could exchange them for useful players we'd be in better shape. I'm good for keeping most everybody else.

Look at Carter after he's come back, it looks like he really did watch film and pay attention to the games because he seems to better understand how to be a part of the offense and he's engaged on defense which opens the door to improving. Ebiid had a monster game, but with 3-4 made shots the Bulls could have won, so I don't blame Carter. PWilliams, the PAW, seems to have recovered from hitting the rookie wall and is recharged after facing some all star competition, even if they did have great games. Maybe one of the coaches explained to him that those guys do that every night, you didn't get torched any worse.

If Satoransky and Young only passed the ball to each other they'd be valuable on the second unit. Even Richard Jefferson made the point (ignored by some posters who constantly want to trade for a dozen draft picks) that you need a mix of veteran players in with a young team to show them the ropes on and off the court. The Bulls have that in Young, Satoransky and Temple. They've been on other teams and seen young talent, some of it wasted, they can keep on Williams, White and Carter to don't get down, do your job and keep listening. It would be a disaster to trade them for 2nd round picks hoping to find a diamnod in the rough. Because they'd just have to go out and find some veteran mentors for the minimum and they might not be as good on or off the court with the young guys.

I would dump WCJ over this off-season, hopefully as a part of a package for us to move up in the draft. Demarcus Cousin will gladly take a 8-12 mil a year deal and I would prefer him over WCJ.

Cousins‘ agent: Please give him a minimum deal!

Bulls: 12 million, take it or leave it!

That's exactly how some posters approach the players they blindly fall in love with or the ones they think are going to perform like they did 8 years ago.

[sco]

If Houston is rebuilding, what about Otto, Val, Felicio, and Hutch for Wall?

[TheHrvReport]

Man, I really like the idea of getting Vucevic and sliding Pat to the 4.

I really hate the idea of making him a 4. He loses most most his physical advantages there. He plays like 3. Sure for some small ball lineups it’s OK, but I cannot ever see him being dominant player at that position. I can see it at SF.

I completely disagree. As he grows into his body a little bit more it will be harder and harder to keep him a 3. He should get bigger and with that his speed will become slower than most 3s (especially if the small ball trend continues). At the 4 he would actually have a speed advantage and I think he'll be more than strong enough to defend most 4s in the league.

[Kazuya10]

If Houston is rebuilding, what about Otto, Val, Felicio, and Hutch for Wall?

Walls played himself out of a deal like that IMO. They would want some value, maybe not a pick but a young player with upside

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[Dez]

His age is relevant in the sense he cannot play 35-40 every night. His stamina doesent allow that kind of production for season
Markkanen is relevant in sense you have to pay him this summer. He is irrelevant only if you are letting him walk in free agency. Even in s/t deal money available to take back is extremly important.
33 yo solid player is irrelevant in big picture for rebuilding teams without building blocks in place
Arturas Karnisovas second round picks are worthless theory 44 pick Nikola Jokic, 56 Monte Morris, 48 pick Bol Bol, 40 ish pick Rudy Gobert(traded). Good luck selling that to Karnisovas.
Cap space is extremly relevant in sense Bulls would miss top thier fa if they are available superstar types of players, but this second tier upcoming young players with talent in 15-25 price range, that can grow alongside your core (when you make choices in offseason who is staying) like Allen,Collins,Ball,Gary Trent Jr., and you still have room to potentially absorb bad expiring contract/s from contenders for additional draft assets or young player/s. So i debunked that false narrative that cap space is not important especially having in mind Ak's words that their main goal is to keep financial flexibility and clean slate moving forwards with evaluation of players on current roster.

Once again, swing and a miss.

- Thad doesn't need to play 35-40 minutes a night, LaVine plays the heaviest minutes for the Bulls and he's at a tad under 36.
- Again Markkanen isn't relevant because whether he's here or not there's minutes for both.
- Actually a veteran like Thad is completely relevant for a rebuilding team, both on the court and off the court as we're seeing this season.
- So 3 second round picks that panned out is your argument? Also lol at including Bol Bol.
- The Bulls have cap space and a significant part of attracting FAs is having capable players to help them win, players like Thad Young. You think that potential FAs are going to want to come to Chicago if the FO is trading away players that help win games? The answer is no.

As for your financial flexibility angle, that lends itself to not spending money on an injury prone big that offers nothing outside of scoring (inconsistently at that). So by your own logic the FO should be doing their utmost to get Lauri off this team for an asset ASAP so they maintain financial flexibility for the future.

Again Arturas Karnisovas would dismissed you very same moment you downplayed arguments of second round pick. Mvp Nikola Jokic at 44 is my argument. For you that is laughable that only shows your knowledge or lack the same. It is hard for me to imagine, that for guys like John Collins,Lonzo Ball is dream to play with Thaddeus Young 12 ppg role player for his career. Even more confusing is theory that Young is reason Bulls are 13-16, when whole season you are trying to downplay Lavine teammates in wins (Lavine is carrying us like superstar) or in losses, he dont have enough help, Young as role player is not good enough, we need star teamate for Lavine. Guess what John Collins refused 90/4 offer from Hawks, so if John have a choice to play for Bulls for 90/4 and Young as his veteran help and menthor or to sign for 110/4 for Bulls with PWill,Carter,Gafford as his running mates in rotation, i can assure you he will choose 15-20 mil more. So you need free money to slightly overpay those kind of free agents in hope they grow in production to become all stars, kind of Lavine's current contract. Youngs points and rebounds can be replaced and outpreformed by John Collins,Jarett Allen,Andre Drummond and you still have Marko Simonovic your draft and stash pick from last year who could fill backup minutes. Veteran presence can be aquired for veteran minimum guys like Taj Gibson,Jared Dudley or for 5 mil like Temple this year.

This one has missed by much more than the last one.

-You're hitching your wagon to one second round pick that has panned out, I honestly can't believe you think a Jokic is going to pop out again the odds are very minimal and giving up Thad for this miniscule chance is ridiculous.
- I know it must be hard for you to imagine because I don't think you understand how team-building works, it's not about Thad being a player that FA's "dream" about playing with but it's about Thad being an important piece of what they signed here to do and that is win a championship. It's actually not a difficult concept to understand, teams need valuable role players and your comment about him being just a 12ppg guy is also proof that you don't understand the impact he brings.
- Why are you comparing John Collins and Thad Young's production? What is it with you and making irrelevant and ridiculous comparisons? Young would be backing up Collins and playing alongside him in situational lineups, having two impact players rather than one.
- Marko Simonovic is no guarantee to even come to the NBA let alone actually be a productive player, you seem to have very little idea about how difficult it is to nail second round picks.
- Yes you can get vet minimum guys like that but Taj Gibson and Jared Dudley aren't providing the on/off court impact that Thad is, again this is you not understanding how building a team works.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Once again, swing and a miss.

- Thad doesn't need to play 35-40 minutes a night, LaVine plays the heaviest minutes for the Bulls and he's at a tad under 36.
- Again Markkanen isn't relevant because whether he's here or not there's minutes for both.
- Actually a veteran like Thad is completely relevant for a rebuilding team, both on the court and off the court as we're seeing this season.
- So 3 second round picks that panned out is your argument? Also lol at including Bol Bol.
- The Bulls have cap space and a significant part of attracting FAs is having capable players to help them win, players like Thad Young. You think that potential FAs are going to want to come to Chicago if the FO is trading away players that help win games? The answer is no.

As for your financial flexibility angle, that lends itself to not spending money on an injury prone big that offers nothing outside of scoring (inconsistently at that). So by your own logic the FO should be doing their utmost to get Lauri off this team for an asset ASAP so they maintain financial flexibility for the future.

Again Arturas Karnisovas would dismissed you very same moment you downplayed arguments of second round pick. Mvp Nikola Jokic at 44 is my argument. For you that is laughable that only shows your knowledge or lack the same. It is hard for me to imagine, that for guys like John Collins,Lonzo Ball is dream to play with Thaddeus Young 12 ppg role player for his career. Even more confusing is theory that Young is reason Bulls are 13-16, when whole season you are trying to downplay Lavine teammates in wins (Lavine is carrying us like superstar) or in losses, he dont have enough help, Young as role player is not good enough, we need star teamate for Lavine. Guess what John Collins refused 90/4 offer from Hawks, so if John have a choice to play for Bulls for 90/4 and Young as his veteran help and menthor or to sign for 110/4 for Bulls with PWill,Carter,Gafford as his running mates in rotation, i can assure you he will choose 15-20 mil more. So you need free money to slightly overpay those kind of free agents in hope they grow in production to become all stars, kind of Lavine's current contract. Youngs points and rebounds can be replaced and outpreformed by John Collins,Jarett Allen,Andre Drummond and you still have Marko Simonovic your draft and stash pick from last year who could fill backup minutes. Veteran presence can be aquired for veteran minimum guys like Taj Gibson,Jared Dudley or for 5 mil like Temple this year.

This one has missed by much more than the last one.

-You're hitching your wagon to one second round pick that has panned out, I honestly can't believe you think a Jokic is going to pop out again the odds are very minimal and giving up Thad for this miniscule chance is ridiculous.
- I know it must be hard for you to imagine because I don't think you understand how team-building works, it's not about Thad being a player that FA's "dream" about playing with but it's about Thad being an important piece of what they signed here to do and that is win a championship. It's actually not a difficult concept to understand, teams need valuable role players and your comment about him being just a 12ppg guy is also proof that you don't understand the impact he brings.
- Why are you comparing John Collins and Thad Young's production? What is it with you and making irrelevant and ridiculous comparisons? Young would be backing up Collins and playing alongside him in situational lineups, having two impact players rather than one.
- Marko Simonovic is no guarantee to even come to the NBA let alone actually be a productive player, you seem to have very little idea about how difficult it is to nail second round picks.
- Yes you can get vet minimum guys like that but Taj Gibson and Jared Dudley aren't providing the on/off court impact that Thad is, again this is you not understanding how building a team works.

obviously you have no idea how to build contender. Rule number one never pay role player 15 mil at age of 33. Hit your second round draft picks Jokic, Draymond Green, Emanuel Ginobili,Toni Kukoc. Hit on undrafted cheap guys Bruce Bowen,Ben Wallace. Sign your stars on rookie exstensions who are injury prone or underpreform on good longterm deals Curry,Pippen. Draft you core. Only Lakers with fa and Lebron and his agency with tampering find success by cheat kodes and jumping the process. Not arguing good play and veteran presence as Young strenghts, but those kind of players you trade to contenders for young players or picks. We should absolutley target diamond in rough like Horton Tucker, Nunn,Okpala, Hampton,Bol,A.Simmons,Little and explore every possibility of trade for Young. He just doesnt fit Bulls time line and his relative huge salary makes his playing production neutral at best at this point. Taj Gibson would defintevly be first center from bench this season for Bulls. He is behind Robinson and Noel.Both of those guys would start for Bulls at c.

[Dez]

Again Arturas Karnisovas would dismissed you very same moment you downplayed arguments of second round pick. Mvp Nikola Jokic at 44 is my argument. For you that is laughable that only shows your knowledge or lack the same. It is hard for me to imagine, that for guys like John Collins,Lonzo Ball is dream to play with Thaddeus Young 12 ppg role player for his career. Even more confusing is theory that Young is reason Bulls are 13-16, when whole season you are trying to downplay Lavine teammates in wins (Lavine is carrying us like superstar) or in losses, he dont have enough help, Young as role player is not good enough, we need star teamate for Lavine. Guess what John Collins refused 90/4 offer from Hawks, so if John have a choice to play for Bulls for 90/4 and Young as his veteran help and menthor or to sign for 110/4 for Bulls with PWill,Carter,Gafford as his running mates in rotation, i can assure you he will choose 15-20 mil more. So you need free money to slightly overpay those kind of free agents in hope they grow in production to become all stars, kind of Lavine's current contract. Youngs points and rebounds can be replaced and outpreformed by John Collins,Jarett Allen,Andre Drummond and you still have Marko Simonovic your draft and stash pick from last year who could fill backup minutes. Veteran presence can be aquired for veteran minimum guys like Taj Gibson,Jared Dudley or for 5 mil like Temple this year.

This one has missed by much more than the last one.

-You're hitching your wagon to one second round pick that has panned out, I honestly can't believe you think a Jokic is going to pop out again the odds are very minimal and giving up Thad for this miniscule chance is ridiculous.
- I know it must be hard for you to imagine because I don't think you understand how team-building works, it's not about Thad being a player that FA's "dream" about playing with but it's about Thad being an important piece of what they signed here to do and that is win a championship. It's actually not a difficult concept to understand, teams need valuable role players and your comment about him being just a 12ppg guy is also proof that you don't understand the impact he brings.
- Why are you comparing John Collins and Thad Young's production? What is it with you and making irrelevant and ridiculous comparisons? Young would be backing up Collins and playing alongside him in situational lineups, having two impact players rather than one.
- Marko Simonovic is no guarantee to even come to the NBA let alone actually be a productive player, you seem to have very little idea about how difficult it is to nail second round picks.
- Yes you can get vet minimum guys like that but Taj Gibson and Jared Dudley aren't providing the on/off court impact that Thad is, again this is you not understanding how building a team works.

obviously you have no idea how to build contender. Rule number one never pay role player 15 mil at age of 33. Hit your second round draft picks Jokic, Draymond Green, Emanuel Ginobili,Toni Kukoc. Hit on undrafted cheap guys Bruce Bowen,Ben Wallace. Sign your stars on rookie exstensions who are injury prone or underpreform on good longterm deals Curry,Pippen. Draft you core. Only Lakers with fa and Lebron and his agency with tampering find success by cheat kodes and jumping the process. Not arguing good play and veteran presence as Young strenghts, but those kind of players you trade to contenders for young players or picks. We should absolutley target diamond in rough like Horton Tucker, Nunn,Okpala, Hampton,Bol,A.Simmons,Little and explore every possibility of trade for Young. He just doesnt fit Bulls time line and his relative huge salary makes his playing production neutral at best at this point. Taj Gibson would defintevly be first center from bench this season for Bulls. He is behind Robinson and Noel.Both of those guys would start for Bulls at c.

My God you're bad at this.

- Thad is an expiring contract next season, what we pay him is irrelevant especially since he's producing. It would be idiotic to trade him unless a team is giving an absurd overpay, he provides much more both on and off the court than trying your luck with the miniscule chance of getting a serviceable NBA player from the second round pick you want to trade him for.
- The fact that you needed to go back to Toni Kukoc and Manu Ginobli further proves my point, second round hits are rare and not as easy you're trying to make it out to be.
- Hit on undrafted cheap guys? The fact you think this is so easy to do just boggles my mind.
- Your Curry analogy isn't a good one either, Curry took a team friendly extension because of all the injury troubles he had early on and the Warriors took a risk on paying him but the potential of Curry was too good to ignore and he showed an elite skill from the beginning. This seems like your thinly veiled attempt saying the Bulls should lock up injury prone Lauri, although using Curry as a reference is not a good one given that Curry was actually healthier than Lauri during his rookie contract (258 games vs 184) and that's with Curry only playing 26 games in 11-12.
- The Bulls should target good players that fit what Donovan wants to do and that's what they'll do, also stop including Bol Bol as some kind of good prospect.
- Taj isn't the player he used to be and really should be and end of the bench guy at the very most.
- Robinson is good enough to start but I don't think he would in Donovan's system, WCJ fits it much better and no Noel wouldn't start over WCJ.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

This one has missed by much more than the last one.

-You're hitching your wagon to one second round pick that has panned out, I honestly can't believe you think a Jokic is going to pop out again the odds are very minimal and giving up Thad for this miniscule chance is ridiculous.
- I know it must be hard for you to imagine because I don't think you understand how team-building works, it's not about Thad being a player that FA's "dream" about playing with but it's about Thad being an important piece of what they signed here to do and that is win a championship. It's actually not a difficult concept to understand, teams need valuable role players and your comment about him being just a 12ppg guy is also proof that you don't understand the impact he brings.
- Why are you comparing John Collins and Thad Young's production? What is it with you and making irrelevant and ridiculous comparisons? Young would be backing up Collins and playing alongside him in situational lineups, having two impact players rather than one.
- Marko Simonovic is no guarantee to even come to the NBA let alone actually be a productive player, you seem to have very little idea about how difficult it is to nail second round picks.
- Yes you can get vet minimum guys like that but Taj Gibson and Jared Dudley aren't providing the on/off court impact that Thad is, again this is you not understanding how building a team works.

obviously you have no idea how to build contender. Rule number one never pay role player 15 mil at age of 33. Hit your second round draft picks Jokic, Draymond Green, Emanuel Ginobili,Toni Kukoc. Hit on undrafted cheap guys Bruce Bowen,Ben Wallace. Sign your stars on rookie exstensions who are injury prone or underpreform on good longterm deals Curry,Pippen. Draft you core. Only Lakers with fa and Lebron and his agency with tampering find success by cheat kodes and jumping the process. Not arguing good play and veteran presence as Young strenghts, but those kind of players you trade to contenders for young players or picks. We should absolutley target diamond in rough like Horton Tucker, Nunn,Okpala, Hampton,Bol,A.Simmons,Little and explore every possibility of trade for Young. He just doesnt fit Bulls time line and his relative huge salary makes his playing production neutral at best at this point. Taj Gibson would defintevly be first center from bench this season for Bulls. He is behind Robinson and Noel.Both of those guys would start for Bulls at c.

My God you're bad at this.

- Thad is an expiring contract next season, what we pay him is irrelevant especially since he's producing. It would be idiotic to trade him unless a team is giving an absurd overpay, he provides much more both on and off the court than trying your luck with the miniscule chance of getting a serviceable NBA player from the second round pick you want to trade him for.
- The fact that you needed to go back to Toni Kukoc and Manu Ginobli further proves my point, second round hits are rare and not as easy you're trying to make it out to be.
- Hit on undrafted cheap guys? The fact you think this is so easy to do just boggles my mind.
- Your Curry analogy isn't a good one either, Curry took a team friendly extension because of all the injury troubles he had early on and the Warriors took a risk on paying him but the potential of Curry was too good to ignore and he showed an elite skill from the beginning. This seems like your thinly veiled attempt saying the Bulls should lock up injury prone Lauri, although using Curry as a reference is not a good one given that Curry was actually healthier than Lauri during his rookie contract (258 games vs 184) and that's with Curry only playing 26 games in 11-12.
- The Bulls should target good players that fit what Donovan wants to do and that's what they'll do, also stop including Bol Bol as some kind of good prospect.
- Taj isn't the player he used to be and really should be and end of the bench guy at the very most.
- Robinson is good enough to start but I don't think he would in Donovan's system, WCJ fits it much better and no Noel wouldn't start over WCJ.

Ok stick to the present. Are you familiar with guy by the name of Freed Vaan Vleet. Undrafted hidden gem. Part of championship core. Math is very simple. You stick last year of neutral value of Thad Young you loose opportunity to ad assets, you loose opportunity to sign valuable free agents or cap space to do it. What part you are missing. In terms of win/losses Young in big picture is non factor. If he is not there him minutes are taken by better younger more productive player. Free cap space of Young to upgrade not to play Luke Kornet 30 minutes. Understand that simple logic.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

obviously you have no idea how to build contender. Rule number one never pay role player 15 mil at age of 33. Hit your second round draft picks Jokic, Draymond Green, Emanuel Ginobili,Toni Kukoc. Hit on undrafted cheap guys Bruce Bowen,Ben Wallace. Sign your stars on rookie exstensions who are injury prone or underpreform on good longterm deals Curry,Pippen. Draft you core. Only Lakers with fa and Lebron and his agency with tampering find success by cheat kodes and jumping the process. Not arguing good play and veteran presence as Young strenghts, but those kind of players you trade to contenders for young players or picks. We should absolutley target diamond in rough like Horton Tucker, Nunn,Okpala, Hampton,Bol,A.Simmons,Little and explore every possibility of trade for Young. He just doesnt fit Bulls time line and his relative huge salary makes his playing production neutral at best at this point. Taj Gibson would defintevly be first center from bench this season for Bulls. He is behind Robinson and Noel.Both of those guys would start for Bulls at c.

My God you're bad at this.

- Thad is an expiring contract next season, what we pay him is irrelevant especially since he's producing. It would be idiotic to trade him unless a team is giving an absurd overpay, he provides much more both on and off the court than trying your luck with the miniscule chance of getting a serviceable NBA player from the second round pick you want to trade him for.
- The fact that you needed to go back to Toni Kukoc and Manu Ginobli further proves my point, second round hits are rare and not as easy you're trying to make it out to be.
- Hit on undrafted cheap guys? The fact you think this is so easy to do just boggles my mind.
- Your Curry analogy isn't a good one either, Curry took a team friendly extension because of all the injury troubles he had early on and the Warriors took a risk on paying him but the potential of Curry was too good to ignore and he showed an elite skill from the beginning. This seems like your thinly veiled attempt saying the Bulls should lock up injury prone Lauri, although using Curry as a reference is not a good one given that Curry was actually healthier than Lauri during his rookie contract (258 games vs 184) and that's with Curry only playing 26 games in 11-12.
- The Bulls should target good players that fit what Donovan wants to do and that's what they'll do, also stop including Bol Bol as some kind of good prospect.
- Taj isn't the player he used to be and really should be and end of the bench guy at the very most.
- Robinson is good enough to start but I don't think he would in Donovan's system, WCJ fits it much better and no Noel wouldn't start over WCJ.

Ok stick to the present. Are you familiar with guy by the name of Freed Vaan Vleet. Undrafted hidden gem. Part of championship core. Math is very simple. You stick last year of neutral value of Thad Young you loose opportunity to ad assets, you loose opportunity to sign valuable free agents or cap space to do it. What part you are missing. In terms of win/losses Young in big picture is non factor. If he is not there him minutes are taken by better younger more productive player. Free cap space of Young to upgrade not to play Luke Kornet 30 minutes. Understand that simple logic.

Or to simplify things to you. Do you preffer rotation Markkanen,Carter,Young,Gafford,Kornet,Felicio or
Markkanen, John Collins, Carter, Gafford,Simonovic. You dont pay guy like Young 14,5. You pay Collins/Allen/Drummond and fill last big man with second round young player with talent, vet big who knows how to play or undrafted gem. Whole point of signing Karnisovas is to found good players on draft. You can always shoud be able to find guy for minimum salary who is producing 80% of Young with 15 mil and no upside in him. But if you are bad team or gm you will find Felicio,Kornet,Arch and those players instead of T.Davis,Boucher,Horton Tucker,Duncan Robinson,Van Vleet.

[Dez]

obviously you have no idea how to build contender. Rule number one never pay role player 15 mil at age of 33. Hit your second round draft picks Jokic, Draymond Green, Emanuel Ginobili,Toni Kukoc. Hit on undrafted cheap guys Bruce Bowen,Ben Wallace. Sign your stars on rookie exstensions who are injury prone or underpreform on good longterm deals Curry,Pippen. Draft you core. Only Lakers with fa and Lebron and his agency with tampering find success by cheat kodes and jumping the process. Not arguing good play and veteran presence as Young strenghts, but those kind of players you trade to contenders for young players or picks. We should absolutley target diamond in rough like Horton Tucker, Nunn,Okpala, Hampton,Bol,A.Simmons,Little and explore every possibility of trade for Young. He just doesnt fit Bulls time line and his relative huge salary makes his playing production neutral at best at this point. Taj Gibson would defintevly be first center from bench this season for Bulls. He is behind Robinson and Noel.Both of those guys would start for Bulls at c.

My God you're bad at this.

- Thad is an expiring contract next season, what we pay him is irrelevant especially since he's producing. It would be idiotic to trade him unless a team is giving an absurd overpay, he provides much more both on and off the court than trying your luck with the miniscule chance of getting a serviceable NBA player from the second round pick you want to trade him for.
- The fact that you needed to go back to Toni Kukoc and Manu Ginobli further proves my point, second round hits are rare and not as easy you're trying to make it out to be.
- Hit on undrafted cheap guys? The fact you think this is so easy to do just boggles my mind.
- Your Curry analogy isn't a good one either, Curry took a team friendly extension because of all the injury troubles he had early on and the Warriors took a risk on paying him but the potential of Curry was too good to ignore and he showed an elite skill from the beginning. This seems like your thinly veiled attempt saying the Bulls should lock up injury prone Lauri, although using Curry as a reference is not a good one given that Curry was actually healthier than Lauri during his rookie contract (258 games vs 184) and that's with Curry only playing 26 games in 11-12.
- The Bulls should target good players that fit what Donovan wants to do and that's what they'll do, also stop including Bol Bol as some kind of good prospect.
- Taj isn't the player he used to be and really should be and end of the bench guy at the very most.
- Robinson is good enough to start but I don't think he would in Donovan's system, WCJ fits it much better and no Noel wouldn't start over WCJ.

Ok stick to the present. Are you familiar with guy by the name of Freed Vaan Vleet. Undrafted hidden gem. Part of championship core. Math is very simple. You stick last year of neutral value of Thad Young you loose opportunity to ad assets, you loose opportunity to sign valuable free agents or cap space to do it. What part you are missing. In terms of win/losses Young in big picture is non factor. If he is not there him minutes are taken by better younger more productive player. Free cap space of Young to upgrade not to play Luke Kornet 30 minutes. Understand that simple logic.

-Thad isn't neutral value, he's positive value it's only your deluded thoughts that say neutral.
- One more time, that's one undrafted "gem" and you're using f***ing hindsight to attempt to make a point.
- The Bulls will have cap space and they don't need to trade Thad who is a POSITIVE IMPACT PLAYER to create more.
- Who is this mysterious younger player that's more productive than Thad?
- Luke Kornet doesn't play 30 minutes, it's pretty rich of you tell someone to understand "simple logic" when you have used absolutely none and just made up crap to try strengthen your non-existent argument.

There is literally no point further debating this with you, you simply just don't understand and operate under the assumption that the NBA works like it's 2K.

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