Shams: Patrick Williams to sign 5/90 deal

[GoBlue72391]

The cat is out of the bag. This problem is no longer confined to the small corner of Bulls fandom, it's making the rounds on social media. Next thing you know Chuck and Shaq will be roasting him and the Bulls org.

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I've been saying since the moment we drafted him that he is not the athletic specimen a lot of people make him out to be. He was definitely more athletic as a rookie, but even then he was at best slightly above average for his position.

And now? He's lost a good amount of that athleticism and is now clearly well below average athletically for a PF/SF. He doesn't jump high or fast, he's a heavy footed plodder who lacks lift and explosion, his body is very stiff and non-fluid, and he lacks speed. His athleticism reminds me of mid-career Luol Deng, but Deng was more fluid than Pat is and I don't recall Lu missing dunks.

I think he needs to get down to around 210 lbs, but even then he'll still be severely lacking in the skills area.

[DuckIII]

Fun fact. At his young age, PWill has only played in 66% of the games.

The guy on the team who has the reputation of being injury prone, over his 10 year career, has played in 70% of the games.

And Pat has played those 66% at a G-league level. But he is 100% our starting PF, most don't even question that, and is perceived my many to have trade value lol. And almost no one talks about him as being injury prone. They will acknowledge it. But they don't consider it when assessing his value.

Hold on, you think Pat is bad, injury prone, been gifted minutes based on zero merit, and has a terrible contract?

I must have skipped your posts and every post by 95% of Bulls fans the last 3 years. I had always assumed, like you did, that most Bulls fans love Pat. This very unnerving to learn.

[Synciere]

The cat is out of the bag. This problem is no longer confined to the small corner of Bulls fandom, it's making the rounds on social media. Next thing you know Chuck and Shaq will be roasting him and the Bulls org.

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The Jazz music in the background is downright diabolical.

[Stratmaster]

Fun fact. At his young age, PWill has only played in 66% of the games.

The guy on the team who has the reputation of being injury prone, over his 10 year career, has played in 70% of the games.

And Pat has played those 66% at a G-league level. But he is 100% our starting PF, most don't even question that, and is perceived my many to have trade value lol. And almost no one talks about him as being injury prone. They will acknowledge it. But they don't consider it when assessing his value.

Hold on, you think Pat is bad, injury prone, been gifted minutes based on zero merit, and has a terrible contract?

I must have skipped your posts and every post by 95% of Bulls fans the last 3 years. I had always assumed, like you did, that most Bulls fans love Pat. This very unnerving to learn.

Hey, thanks for the response. Sorry I pissed you off.

I will keep saying it as long as he is starting. No one in the media talks about him being injury prone. The front office still refuses to get a real player at the 4 in the starting lineup. The head coach continues to gift him playing time.

I really don't give a damn that your favorite player is a bust and that you and several others have finally, after 4 seasons, jumped on the bandwagon and admitted it. Hey, did you miss him last night? I almost forgot he wasn't playing.

Hint: if you don't like hearing about it from me there is a friend's and foes feature you can use.

[DuckIII]

My post was a joke. Good grief.

[Stratmaster]

My post was a joke. Good grief.

Your post was pointed sarcasm at me. Either that or you are horrible at humor. Own it.

[GoBlue72391]

When Pat was first drafted, what did we all think his worst case scenario would be?

5 years in, has he reached that worst case scenario or has he exceeded it and things have gone even more wrong than even the most pessimistic fan could have predicted?

[DuckIII]

My post was a joke. Good grief.

Your post was pointed sarcasm at me. Either that or you are horrible at humor. Own it.

Ugh. Not everyone is trying to be a dick.

I’ll be more explicit. The sarcasm was directed at the notion that virtually everyone does not already agree with everything you wrote. With the exception of about 3-4 posters this board hates Pat and thinks he’s a virtually useless player they want off the team.

The joke part was that these are not already beliefs held and expressed by the vast majority of Bulls fans.

[panthermark]

The cat is out of the bag. This problem is no longer confined to the small corner of Bulls fandom, it's making the rounds on social media. Next thing you know Chuck and Shaq will be roasting him and the Bulls org.

Embarrassing

Watch on YouTube

Turrible

[GoBlue72391]

This 'missed dunks due to lost athleticism' didn't start with Pat.

Lauri was a notorious dunk misser during the latter half of his Bulls career after we had him bulk up to be able to play more C. Lauri's first two years he was throwing down some serious dunks and that's also true of Pat to a lesser extent, then both of them started bricking dunks left and right. Pat takes the cake, but at the time I had never seen a player miss as many dunks as Lauri.

Pat is noticeably stockier from his rookie year and it's resulted in sapping his athleticism just like it did Lauri. Lauri was able to regain that athleticism after he slimmed down in Utah to play SF, so hopefully Pat can do the same if he/the org chooses to go that route.

I don't know if the Bulls told Pat to gain weight to have more a PF build or he just gained weight on his own due to sitting out due to injuries, but either way it's a bad move.

[Chi town]

Pat from Sam Smith…

Williams met with media before the game. He wasn’t wearing a boot or protection and said this time it felt nothing like last year when he couldn’t push off and running was difficult.

“I’m not really concerned,” Williams insisted. “Nobody seems to be worried. It’s more of a kind of thing that happens after surgery; the first year after surgery is always the toughest. I’m not worried because I remember what it felt like before and it’s not even close to that. Finally get a chance to get back and get some rhythm and touch and feel (averaging 12.1 and shooting 43% on threes the last seven games) and this to happen is frustrating. I’m working so when I’m back, I’m back. Trust (doctors) and the thousand dollar (rehabilitation) equipment. Knowing it’s never going to be perfect with two screws in my foot, but not anything that is uncommon. The screws don’t hurt. I don’t feel the screws at all.”

[panthermark]

This 'missed dunks due to lost athleticism' didn't start with Pat.

Lauri was a notorious dunk misser during the latter half of his Bulls career after we had him bulk up to be able to play more C. Lauri's first two years he was throwing down some serious dunks and that's also true of Pat to a lesser extent, then both of them started bricking dunks left and right. Pat takes the cake, but at the time I had never seen a player miss as many dunks as Lauri.

Pat is noticeably stockier from his rookie year and it's resulted in sapping his athleticism just like it did Lauri. Lauri was able to regain that athleticism after he slimmed down in Utah to play SF, so hopefully Pat can do the same if he/the org chooses to go that route.

I don't know if the Bulls told Pat to gain weight to have more a PF build or he just gained weight on his own due to sitting out due to injuries, but either way it's a bad move.

The problem is that Lauri has/had the potential to create offensive mismatches due to his size/skill combo.
It is the opposite for Pat. A slimmed down Pat has no advantage over most SF's in the league. Plus this team needs a PF.
AKME blew it.

[DuckIII]

Pat from Sam Smith…

Williams met with media before the game. He wasn’t wearing a boot or protection and said this time it felt nothing like last year when he couldn’t push off and running was difficult.

“I’m not really concerned,” Williams insisted. “Nobody seems to be worried. It’s more of a kind of thing that happens after surgery; the first year after surgery is always the toughest. I’m not worried because I remember what it felt like before and it’s not even close to that. Finally get a chance to get back and get some rhythm and touch and feel (averaging 12.1 and shooting 43% on threes the last seven games) and this to happen is frustrating. I’m working so when I’m back, I’m back. Trust (doctors) and the thousand dollar (rehabilitation) equipment. Knowing it’s never going to be perfect with two screws in my foot, but not anything that is uncommon. The screws don’t hurt. I don’t feel the screws at all.”

I hope its a minor blip. But considering everything Doug posted about how this condition could possibly go from a long term perspective, its a big concern to me. Even if you hate him, we need him to be healthy for all sorts of reasons.

[Stratmaster]

Pat from Sam Smith…

Williams met with media before the game. He wasn’t wearing a boot or protection and said this time it felt nothing like last year when he couldn’t push off and running was difficult.

“I’m not really concerned,” Williams insisted. “Nobody seems to be worried. It’s more of a kind of thing that happens after surgery; the first year after surgery is always the toughest. I’m not worried because I remember what it felt like before and it’s not even close to that. Finally get a chance to get back and get some rhythm and touch and feel (averaging 12.1 and shooting 43% on threes the last seven games) and this to happen is frustrating. I’m working so when I’m back, I’m back. Trust (doctors) and the thousand dollar (rehabilitation) equipment. Knowing it’s never going to be perfect with two screws in my foot, but not anything that is uncommon. The screws don’t hurt. I don’t feel the screws at all.”

Wait. He has two permanent screws in his foot? How did I missv that until now? I am not an expert, but putting the kind of wear and tear on that foot that an NBA player does it would seem that inflammation is going to be a consistent ongoing issue wouldn't it?

I guess I will go do some research!?

[Chi town]

Pat from Sam Smith…

Williams met with media before the game. He wasn’t wearing a boot or protection and said this time it felt nothing like last year when he couldn’t push off and running was difficult.

“I’m not really concerned,” Williams insisted. “Nobody seems to be worried. It’s more of a kind of thing that happens after surgery; the first year after surgery is always the toughest. I’m not worried because I remember what it felt like before and it’s not even close to that. Finally get a chance to get back and get some rhythm and touch and feel (averaging 12.1 and shooting 43% on threes the last seven games) and this to happen is frustrating. I’m working so when I’m back, I’m back. Trust (doctors) and the thousand dollar (rehabilitation) equipment. Knowing it’s never going to be perfect with two screws in my foot, but not anything that is uncommon. The screws don’t hurt. I don’t feel the screws at all.”

I hope its a minor blip. But considering everything Doug posted about how this condition could possibly go from a long term perspective, its a big concern to me. Even if you hate him, we need him to be healthy for all sorts of reasons.

And then match that up with first ever trade rumors around Pat… Bulls may think he will always be hurt or at least limited. Pat himself basically says he is limited.

Dude has a tire that needs air. It’s not flat (before the injury) but it still needs air.

[Chi town]

Pat from Sam Smith…

Williams met with media before the game. He wasn’t wearing a boot or protection and said this time it felt nothing like last year when he couldn’t push off and running was difficult.

“I’m not really concerned,” Williams insisted. “Nobody seems to be worried. It’s more of a kind of thing that happens after surgery; the first year after surgery is always the toughest. I’m not worried because I remember what it felt like before and it’s not even close to that. Finally get a chance to get back and get some rhythm and touch and feel (averaging 12.1 and shooting 43% on threes the last seven games) and this to happen is frustrating. I’m working so when I’m back, I’m back. Trust (doctors) and the thousand dollar (rehabilitation) equipment. Knowing it’s never going to be perfect with two screws in my foot, but not anything that is uncommon. The screws don’t hurt. I don’t feel the screws at all.”

Wait. He has two permanent screws in his foot? How did I missv that until now? I am not an expert, but putting the kind of wear and tear on that foot that an NBA player does it would seem that inflammation is going to be a consistent ongoing issue wouldn't it?

I guess I will go do some research!?

Sounds like swelling is normal first year post surgery.

[GoBlue72391]

Pat from Sam Smith…

Williams met with media before the game. He wasn’t wearing a boot or protection and said this time it felt nothing like last year when he couldn’t push off and running was difficult.

“I’m not really concerned,” Williams insisted. “Nobody seems to be worried. It’s more of a kind of thing that happens after surgery; the first year after surgery is always the toughest. I’m not worried because I remember what it felt like before and it’s not even close to that. Finally get a chance to get back and get some rhythm and touch and feel (averaging 12.1 and shooting 43% on threes the last seven games) and this to happen is frustrating. I’m working so when I’m back, I’m back. Trust (doctors) and the thousand dollar (rehabilitation) equipment. Knowing it’s never going to be perfect with two screws in my foot, but not anything that is uncommon. The screws don’t hurt. I don’t feel the screws at all.”

I hope its a minor blip. But considering everything Doug posted about how this condition could possibly go from a long term perspective, its a big concern to me. Even if you hate him, we need him to be healthy for all sorts of reasons.

And then match that up with first ever trade rumors around Pat… Bulls may think he will always be hurt or at least limited. Pat himself basically says he is limited.

Dude has a tire that needs air. It’s not flat (before the injury) but it still needs air.

What trade rumors?

[CROBulls]

When Pat was first drafted, what did we all think his worst case scenario would be?

5 years in, has he reached that worst case scenario or has he exceeded it and things have gone even more wrong than even the most pessimistic fan could have predicted?

Whats worse is he got paid while being bad. That's worst case scenario. Wasting lottery ticket is still fine, but as a decent run NBA franchise, you cut your chances and move on. Bulls didnt move on, they double down.

[Chi town]

When Pat was first drafted, what did we all think his worst case scenario would be?

5 years in, has he reached that worst case scenario or has he exceeded it and things have gone even more wrong than even the most pessimistic fan could have predicted?

Whats worse is he got paid while being bad. That's worst case scenario. Wasting lottery ticket is still fine, but as a decent run NBA franchise, you cut your chances and move on. Bulls didnt move on, they double down.

AK doubling down is his worst attribute as GM.

[Infinity2152]

Lot of overexaggerations here. Patrick Williams could pretty easily be a starting SF, probably not a star, but a solid starter at the SF position. If he develops into nothing but a very good defender and 3 pt threat on catch and shoots, he can still be valuable. If we had a starting PF instead of Derozan over Pat's career he would look way different. There would have been more defensive help, more rebounding help, Pat doesn't guard 6'10 players, etc. Needs to slim down again, he doesn't have to be super-fast, he'll have a size/height advantage at 6'7" over most modern SF's every night. His path to success will be as a lockdown defender, not a 20+ scorer. Similar type player is OG Anunoby. Would be easy to pick apart his offensive game too, especially at the same age.

If his ceiling is say, a more athletic Bruce Bowen, that can still be pretty good.