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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#61 » by dabig3 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:36 pm

Excellent work once again. Like you, I was surprised we lost this game. Just had a horrible stretch and couldn't finish the game.

Oh, and Rose's last 2 possessions of regular time....smh. You are absolutely correct in his 2nd to last possession he should've went to a crossover after his initial move. Freeze frame the video when he does the first move and you'll see Lebron hopping and facing in completely the opposite direction (towards the bench). A simple crossover back to Rose's right and the highlight of that game would be Rose winning it with an open jumper by breaking Bron's ankles.

And the last iso on regulation, I feel Rose should've continued driving right. I do think he had enough time to get at least 4-5 steps (several feet) and a floater in the 1.5 seconds he still had to spare. I mean, look at Boozer just completely blocking off his man there. There was plenty of real estate and juuuust enough time for a runner off the backboard once he beats Bron off the dribble.

Oh god, I don't even want to look at that last loss. I think I'm good with these videos and knowing that the Bulls can absolutely beat the Heat and that last year was a good training experience for Rose and everyone else. Oh, and this Bron demolished Rose meme can finally stop. Thanks again alucryts! :D
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#62 » by GetBuLLish » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Kind of an unrelated question: Do you, Alucryts, or anyone else have video of that 2 minute span in Game 2 where the refs made like 3 or 4 awful calls in a row? I believe it was at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.

Anyways, gonna look at your Game 3 breakdown right now.
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Post#63 » by alucryts » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:57 pm

GetBuLLish wrote:Kind of an unrelated question: Do you, Alucryts, or anyone else have video of that 2 minute span in Game 2 where the refs made like 3 or 4 awful calls in a row? I believe it was at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.

Anyways, gonna look at your Game 3 breakdown right now.

After I finish this off, I will find it for you and post it here in it's entirety.
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#64 » by red222 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:19 am

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Post#65 » by pduh01 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:52 am

GetBuLLish wrote:Kind of an unrelated question: Do you, Alucryts, or anyone else have video of that 2 minute span in Game 2 where the refs made like 3 or 4 awful calls in a row? I believe it was at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.

Anyways, gonna look at your Game 3 breakdown right now.


I don't have the video but I remember the very first bad call in game two when we still have our momentum when CJ Watson I believe steal the ball but the referees call back-court violation, or a foul can't remember which. But I do remember that was the first bad call from that game, and then it kills our momentum.
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#66 » by alucryts » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:00 am

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GetBuLLish wrote:Kind of an unrelated question: Do you, Alucryts, or anyone else have video of that 2 minute span in Game 2 where the refs made like 3 or 4 awful calls in a row? I believe it was at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.

Anyways, gonna look at your Game 3 breakdown right now.


I don't have the video but I remember the very first bad call in game two when we still have our momentum when CJ Watson I believe steal the ball but the referees call back-court violation, or a foul can't remember which. But I do remember that was the first bad call from that game, and then it kills our momentum.

I think that is a big part of this series; we show a lot of youth and inexperience when we get shaken from poor calls.
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#67 » by cool007 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:10 am

Maybe it's already been said but few things I noticed that we need to correct.

1 - Almost never run pick and roll with Noah - if we do, Noah needs to either learn to take that free throw line - 15ft jumper OR drive and dish out - Almost every time I see them collapsing (trying to take the charge) while leaving Deng/Brewer etc open (hopefully Rip now).

2 - When we run pick and roll with Boozer (we should), Boozer needs to learn where defense is or how it's played. Take the mid range jump shot at times when open or drive strong (no more missed easy bunny/layups). Also, if they try to take the charge, there is always someone open, make sure to pass it to him.

3 - LeBron when guarding Deng, I almost always saw LeBron totally disregarding Deng at the 3. Rose needs to make sure that he finds Deng as LeBron wants to block the shot or look for turnover and run for fastbreak.

Those 3 things stand out the Most to me.

Actually looking at these, I am really encouraged now. I think it's really correctable and if people step up this time around, I think we can beat Miami.

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Post#68 » by alucryts » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:06 pm

cool007 wrote:Maybe it's already been said but few things I noticed that we need to correct.

1 - Almost never run pick and roll with Noah - if we do, Noah needs to either learn to take that free throw line - 15ft jumper OR drive and dish out - Almost every time I see them collapsing (trying to take the charge) while leaving Deng/Brewer etc open (hopefully Rip now).

2 - When we run pick and roll with Boozer (we should), Boozer needs to learn where defense is or how it's played. Take the mid range jump shot at times when open or drive strong (no more missed easy bunny/layups). Also, if they try to take the charge, there is always someone open, make sure to pass it to him.

3 - LeBron when guarding Deng, I almost always saw LeBron totally disregarding Deng at the 3. Rose needs to make sure that he finds Deng as LeBron wants to block the shot or look for turnover and run for fastbreak.

Those 3 things stand out the Most to me.

Actually looking at these, I am really encouraged now. I think it's really correctable and if people step up this time around, I think we can beat Miami.

I can't wait.

1- Noah PnR gives Rose the best chance to score normally. Against a non blitzing defense, it pulls the biggest defender away from the rim. Rose can score off of other PnRs, but Noah PnR's are generally the easiest against normal defense. This however is not normal defense; if they are blitzing then I agree with you.

2- Boozer is shooting much better this year. The mid range shot has made him a threat in this offense finally.

3- Deng has been bad for the most part in these on the offensive side of the ball. That cannot happen.
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#69 » by The 6ft Hurdle » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:27 am

Two questions I'd like to hear explanations for: 1) how come we made it look so easy during the season, but everything looked more strained and difficult in the playoffs, and 2) is it the same this year? Are we achieving our wins the same way as we did last year? If so, how's that going to change during the playoffs?
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Post#70 » by alucryts » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:34 am

The 6ft Hurdle wrote:Two questions I'd like to hear explanations for: 1) how come we made it look so easy during the season, but everything looked more strained and difficult in the playoffs, and 2) is it the same this year? Are we achieving our wins the same way as we did last year? If so, how's that going to change during the playoffs?

1) Every team that blitzed Rose off of the PnR with hard doubles made our offense look like ass. Those that did not looked like ass against us. Having Rip, Boozer finding his shot, and Rose making better decisions should fix it along with practice because everyone tries it now.
2) We have struggled at times. Other times, we've abused it. We haven't seen it with Rip yet because of injuries.
3) We are achieving wins the same way, but we are doing that "way" more efficiently. As opposed to popular opinion, we actually had a very close series with the Heat as you can see in this thread.
4) Simply having experience is going to mitigate a lot of the stupidity you see in some of these highlights. We look totally lost after Rose passes the ball. We seem to have a much better plan when he passes this year so far. Him being out only helps us beat this problem because every play is like what happens after Rose passes.
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#71 » by The 6ft Hurdle » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:07 pm

alucryts wrote:
The 6ft Hurdle wrote:Two questions I'd like to hear explanations for: 1) how come we made it look so easy during the season, but everything looked more strained and difficult in the playoffs, and 2) is it the same this year? Are we achieving our wins the same way as we did last year? If so, how's that going to change during the playoffs?

1) Every team that blitzed Rose off of the PnR with hard doubles made our offense look like ass. Those that did not looked like ass against us. Having Rip, Boozer finding his shot, and Rose making better decisions should fix it along with practice because everyone tries it now.
2) We have struggled at times. Other times, we've abused it. We haven't seen it with Rip yet because of injuries.
3) We are achieving wins the same way, but we are doing that "way" more efficiently. As opposed to popular opinion, we actually had a very close series with the Heat as you can see in this thread.
4) Simply having experience is going to mitigate a lot of the stupidity you see in some of these highlights. We look totally lost after Rose passes the ball. We seem to have a much better plan when he passes this year so far. Him being out only helps us beat this problem because every play is like what happens after Rose passes.

So basically we need Booze not to lose his confidence and for he and Rip to hit their shots.

The reason I ask these questions is because it seems to me that were quickly establishing a reputation as a heck of a regular season team, comfortable beating any team on any given night, but when it comes to the tug-of-war that is the playoffs against teams that want nothing better than to upset a #1 seed, were shaky and much less confident, winning sort of like those 60-win championship-less Mavs teams before they added Chandler, Marion, and Barea. There seems to be a certain groove we can with in the regular season because the regular season's long, but there isn't that in the playoffs.
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#72 » by alucryts » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:15 pm

The 6ft Hurdle wrote:So basically we need Booze not to lose his confidence and for he and Rip to hit their shots.

The reason I ask these questions is because it seems to me that were quickly establishing a reputation as a heck of a regular season team, comfortable beating any team on any given night, but when it comes to the tug-of-war that is the playoffs against teams that want nothing better than to upset a #1 seed, were shaky and much less confident, winning sort of like those 60-win championship-less Mavs teams before they added Chandler, Marion, and Barea. There seems to be a certain groove we can with in the regular season because the regular season's long, but there isn't that in the playoffs.

That "reputation" is kind of silly. How can you make a reputation off of 1 playoff run? That type of reputation can only be painted on a team after at least 2 to 3 years of the same old same old. As it is, we haven't even been given the chance to correct our problems from the playoffs. If I can see the problem with our offense, I sure as hell guarantee you that Thibs, Rose, Garpax, Boozer, Noah, and every Bull knows it.

Also, this had nothing to do with the time of the year that it happened between playoffs and regular season; we struggle against attacking defenses that double Rose hard and pressure every other player on offense regardless of game (teams just featured it constantly in the playoffs). We have struggled this year to do it as well at times. We haven't seen the defense with Rip in the game, but we have struggled against it without him still. If the rest of the team has this confidence and ability to be accountable for their own offense, that defense will crumble. We got into a lot of trouble trying to find the perfect shot every time through complicated passes more often than not leading to shot clock violations and turn overs.

Not only do we need Boozer and Rip, we need Deng and Noah as well. In the case of Boozer, Rip, and Deng, it's that we need them to take that shots above anything else. They would always get that open shot, but they would pass it up trying to make a highlight pass for a layup that ends in a turnover or they would just eat it and try to get it back to Rose to start over again. They need to realize that getting only a jump shot against that is perfectly fine. Boozer aggressively spamming that mid range shot and hitting it like its a layup will cause massive problems for that defense in particular. Deng three pointers would also pull it apart. Rip getting the ball and looking for his own shot or running a baseline PnR with one of the big men will also pull it apart. We have more weapons this year; we just need the chance to try them out.
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#73 » by kyrv » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:06 pm

alucryts wrote:
GetBuLLish wrote:Kind of an unrelated question: Do you, Alucryts, or anyone else have video of that 2 minute span in Game 2 where the refs made like 3 or 4 awful calls in a row? I believe it was at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.

Anyways, gonna look at your Game 3 breakdown right now.

After I finish this off, I will find it for you and post it here in it's entirety.


I agree, my recollection is started with game 2, quarter 2, and pretty early in the quarter.

I do think the next time around the Bulls will have better resolve but at the same time, the finals were officiated pretty fairly but maybe the goal is to have the cHeat in the finals then they are on their own. Then again these are the best officials in the world so that's not possible.
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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Version 4.0 

Post#74 » by dice » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:09 pm

kyrv wrote:I do think the next time around the Bulls will have better resolve but at the same time, the finals were officiated pretty fairly but maybe the goal is to have the cHeat in the finals then they are on their own. Then again these are the best officials in the world so that's not possible.

i recall bulls-heat being officiated fairly. there was just that stretch of highly questionable calls early in game 2, quarter 2 that went against the bulls that happened to change the tide of the series
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Post#75 » by Rerisen » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:12 pm

kyrv wrote:the finals were officiated pretty fairly but maybe the goal is to have the cHeat in the finals


I don't think the thinking is quite this malicious. But the idea of the Heat going down 0-2 looking like they might get possibly swept out of the ECF, might have lended a few sympathy calls early in a game 2 when they were getting stomped by some 'scrubs'. That's not good for ratings. Needed a long competitive series at least. Game 7's are almost always called the most fair - but in working to help a series to that point, sometimes the best laid plans of mice and zebras goes astray.

How were the refs to know our whole mental disposition was seemingly going to crumble after that stretch, for the rest of the series.

Officials often tilt toward the losing team even if it's not the Heat. That it was.... wasn't really all that surprising, though still sad.

I think the Bulls got some of their own favorable calls back later in the series, unfortunately, they didn't kick start anything or amount to much, unlike this particular moment in Game 2.
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Post#76 » by kyrv » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:30 pm

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kyrv wrote:the finals were officiated pretty fairly but maybe the goal is to have the cHeat in the finals


I don't think the thinking is quite this malicious. But the idea of the Heat going down 0-2 looking like they might get possibly swept out of the ECF, might have lended a few sympathy calls early in a game 2 when they were getting stomped by some 'scrubs'. That's not good for ratings. Needed a long competitive series at least. Game 7's are almost always called the most fair - but in working to help a series to that point, sometimes the best laid plans of mice and zebras goes astray.

How were the refs to know our whole mental disposition was seemingly going to crumble after that stretch, for the rest of the series.

Officials often tilt toward the losing team even if it's not the Heat. That it was.... wasn't really all that surprising, though still sad.

I think the Bulls got some of their own favorable calls back later in the series, unfortunately, they didn't kick start anything or amount to much, unlike this particular moment in Game 2.


Yes I agree with you and dice that bad calls can and do happen regardless of intent, and the Bulls handled it really poorly although I have to state again I had the same reaction watching it, like, wth is going on here.

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Re: The Bulls-Heat 4th Quarter Project - Completed 

Post#77 » by alucryts » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:30 pm

The thread is complete. Post here your ideas of what the Bulls did/did not do, will/will not do, and if you see something I missed.
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Post#78 » by nitric0 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:33 pm

WOW! This is professional work. Great stuff
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Post#79 » by alucryts » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:50 pm

My god this is going to be fun to use against people perpetuating some myths :lol:.
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Post#80 » by alucryts » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:51 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKf8I6sYQCA&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
Here's your flurry o' fouls to start the second quarter. While I don't think any are blatantly wrong, they are just exceptionally touchy. Regardless, this should not have affected the Bulls like it did.

1st: CJ called for foul at mid court going after ball
2nd: Omer called for moving screen.
3rd: Deng called for hand check on Lebron.
Bulls in penalty.

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