The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

Post #61 » by **coldfish** » Sun May 18, 2014 11:51 am

Yeah, I would empty out everything for KLove. You can even do the deal at draft night. Boozer becomes a usable asset too.

Boozer / Mirotic / Cha pick / Sac pic / future Bulls pick for Love is a pretty good offer.

Rose
Butler
????
Love
Noah

+ Gibson and the MLE

Its funny. A Melo sign and trade actually creates a better team because he fills a huge hole. However, everyone says that a sign and trade where you keep a good team isn't possible. As a result, the Kevin Love trade scenarios look better than the capspace variations of the Melo acquisition.

Post #62 » by **kingkirk** » Sun May 18, 2014 12:02 pm

I really think Love can be had for less.

He has an ETO, and if he chooses to play hard ball, he can kill his trade value somewhat.

Unless he agrees to an extension, i don't think you would need to shell it all out for him.

The Wolves made a terrible mistake in not giving Love his full max, but also allowing for this ETO to exist in his deal. Kahn really **** it up good and proper. Dumb ass should have given him the 5 years.

He **** up big time with his draft selections of Flynn, Johnson and Williams, and now his legacy will live on when the Wolves lose Love.

Incompetency at its finest.

aramada · Post #63 » by **aramada** » Sun May 18, 2014 1:05 pm

What's interesting is that we will be able to explore a Love trade around draft time, then push for Melo if we are unsuccessful. We have better trade pieces than NY and LA. We need to go all out on him.

Jimako10 · Post #64 » by **Jimako10** » Sun May 18, 2014 1:14 pm

coldfish wrote:Yeah, I would empty out everything for KLove. You can even do the deal at draft night. Boozer becomes a usable asset too.

Boozer / Mirotic / Cha pick / Sac pic / future Bulls pick for Love is a pretty good offer.

Rose
Butler
????
Love
Noah

+ Gibson and the MLE

Its funny. A Melo sign and trade actually creates a better team because he fills a huge hole. However, everyone says that a sign and trade where you keep a good team isn't possible. As a result, the Kevin Love trade scenarios look better than the capspace variations of the Melo acquisition.

I'd empty the clip on them, that means Taj+Mirotic+all our picks, and even Butler if need be. With Love, Taj would again be relegated to a 20-24 mpg role which would be a waste. Plus, Minny needs defense more than anything and Taj would fill that need nicely. Add in a prospect like Mirotic and a bunch of picks, Minny has no choice but to listen. One team that hasn't been mentioned is Boston, where they can send a top 5 pick, the 17 pick, plus a couple young players. LA or NY are always possibilities, but that just depends on Love's priorities, if it's winning, then he'll go to a team ready to win immediately (like the bulls), or if it's about the money/lifestyle (like Melo chose a few years ago).

Post #65 » by **coldfish** » Sun May 18, 2014 1:22 pm

Jimako10 wrote:
coldfish wrote:Yeah, I would empty out everything for KLove. You can even do the deal at draft night. Boozer becomes a usable asset too.

Boozer / Mirotic / Cha pick / Sac pic / future Bulls pick for Love is a pretty good offer.

Rose
Butler
????
Love
Noah

+ Gibson and the MLE

Its funny. A Melo sign and trade actually creates a better team because he fills a huge hole. However, everyone says that a sign and trade where you keep a good team isn't possible. As a result, the Kevin Love trade scenarios look better than the capspace variations of the Melo acquisition.

I'd empty the clip on them, that means Taj+Mirotic+all our picks, and even Butler if need be. With Love, Taj would again be relegated to a 20-24 mpg role which would be a waste. Plus, Minny needs defense more than anything and Taj would fill that need nicely. Add in a prospect like Mirotic and a bunch of picks, Minny has no choice but to listen. One team that hasn't been mentioned is Boston, where they can send a top 5 pick, the 17 pick, plus a couple young players. LA or NY are always possibilities, but that just depends on Love's priorities, if it's winning, then he'll go to a team ready to win immediately (like the bulls), or if it's about the money/lifestyle (like Melo chose a few years ago).

I don't disagree on emptying the clip. I do think that people overestimate Taj's trade value. He is on the books for a few more years and as a starter, he is a rather mediocre at best player. For a rebuilding team, he is a negative asset.

Maybe if you do a 3 way. Trade Taj to Charlotte and send the pick to Minnesota. That might be interesting. Let me do some math here:

Rose $18.8M
Noah $12.2M
Dunleavey $3.3M
Butler $2M
Love $15.7M
6 cap holds = $3M
Total = $55M

Chicago would have about $8M in space after dumping Snell and amnestying Boozer. Just spitballing here, dump Dunleavey and then trade whatever picks you have and capspace for Afflalo.

Rose
Afflalo
Butler
Love
Noah

pipfan · Post #66 » by **pipfan** » Sun May 18, 2014 1:52 pm

I think we have to be a legit contender, and that Mirotic would sign in Minny. I read a nice post by a Minny guy about how they would not rebuild, so let's try Melo and Love

1-Boozer, rights to our #16 and #19-plus the Bulls' 2015 pick. Add our unguaranteed deals if NY wants to dump Felton on us

2-Taj, the rights to Mirotic, Snell, the SAC pick and a Bulls' 2017 pick (top 5 protected) for KLove. Included in this is Dunleavy to a 3rd team, who send a minor asset (and $ savings) to Minny. There would be teams who would give up something for DUn.
You could also move Taj to a 3rd team and send a late lottery pick to Minny, if they rightly want to rebuild.

NY gets 3 picks and get to dump Felton. Melo would have to pressure them, but he might to join a superteam

Minny uses Taj up front with Pek-not a great deal for them, but they count on Mirotic developing with Rubio and stay a .500 team.

OK-we end up with
Rose/Felton/Kirk
Butler/Kirk/Vet min
Melo/Butler/vet min
Love/vet min/Melo
Noah/Smith

That starting 5 would be EPIC. The bench would have to be boosted by ring chasers, but I think we would have the MLE too, to find a 3rd swing man. With that lineup, we would win 70 games

Chitownbulls · Post #67 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:07 pm

Im not convinced K Love can be a #1, maybe even a #2 on a title contending team.

If you get Melo and Love....Now your talking.

Mech Engineer · Post #68 » by **Mech Engineer** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:07 pm

I hope the OP's article is wrong and is just some guess work about LA or NY. Kevin must know something if he doesn't want Chicago and is interested in NY/LA only. He probably wants to be a #1 option, IMO for the future with Kobe going away in a year or two.

I think he might want out but I don't believe somebody makes a decision about two teams based on market size. This is the same guy who talked about Thibs to NY.

Jimako10 · Post #69 » by **Jimako10** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:12 pm

coldfish wrote:
Jimako10 wrote:
coldfish wrote:Yeah, I would empty out everything for KLove. You can even do the deal at draft night. Boozer becomes a usable asset too.

Boozer / Mirotic / Cha pick / Sac pic / future Bulls pick for Love is a pretty good offer.

Rose
Butler
????
Love
Noah

+ Gibson and the MLE

Its funny. A Melo sign and trade actually creates a better team because he fills a huge hole. However, everyone says that a sign and trade where you keep a good team isn't possible. As a result, the Kevin Love trade scenarios look better than the capspace variations of the Melo acquisition.

I'd empty the clip on them, that means Taj+Mirotic+all our picks, and even Butler if need be. With Love, Taj would again be relegated to a 20-24 mpg role which would be a waste. Plus, Minny needs defense more than anything and Taj would fill that need nicely. Add in a prospect like Mirotic and a bunch of picks, Minny has no choice but to listen. One team that hasn't been mentioned is Boston, where they can send a top 5 pick, the 17 pick, plus a couple young players. LA or NY are always possibilities, but that just depends on Love's priorities, if it's winning, then he'll go to a team ready to win immediately (like the bulls), or if it's about the money/lifestyle (like Melo chose a few years ago).

I don't disagree on emptying the clip. I do think that people overestimate Taj's trade value. He is on the books for a few more years and as a starter, he is a rather mediocre at best player. For a rebuilding team, he is a negative asset.

Maybe if you do a 3 way. Trade Taj to Charlotte and send the pick to Minnesota. That might be interesting. Let me do some math here:

Rose $18.8M
Noah $12.2M
Dunleavey $3.3M
Butler $2M
Love $15.7M
6 cap holds = $3M
Total = $55M

Chicago would have about $8M in space after dumping Snell and amnestying Boozer. Just spitballing here, dump Dunleavey and then trade whatever picks you have and capspace for Afflalo.

Rose
Afflalo
Butler
Love
Noah

Do we know that Minny wants to do full rebuild? I'm not even sure that's possible with KMart and Pekovic signed for a few more years. If I were Minny and do not want to go through a total rebuild, a Rubio/Martin/Butler/Taj/Pekovic with Mirotic, Dieng, Shabazz off the bench, a boatload of valuable picks to draft or trade for some more established talent, is a pretty good place to be post-Love. But in the end, it depends where Love wants to sign his extension, so he's got most, if not all the power. If he lists the bulls as one of his destinations, I hope the FO doesn't fool around.

Future Coach · Post #70 » by **Future Coach** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:38 pm

Love has the leverage here in that he can get told different trade offers and then plainly say that he would not re-sign in a various destination if he doesn't like it.

And I have to believe the Bulls are on his short list of favorable spots. Don't let the biased NY media fool you. They pointed out the obvious with his hometown Lakers and then mentioned the Knicks to get local readers interested. That's how sales works.

Love signed his deal with an ETO to coincide with Boozer's expiring for a reason. One, for leverage. And two, he was working out with Rose daily at the time. They are good friends. Even if Rose says he won't openly recruit, he has been working on Love for years in a much friendlier and genuine way.

And with Love next to Noah we would be the best rebounding team, and by far have the best passing front-court in the NBA. Make no mistake, Kevin Love is a great player and would make the Bulls a great team with great balance. And he is not the terrible defender everyone makes him out to be. Remember he has been playing next to the slower-footed Pek, thus Love has to guard the quicker and more versatile players. Here Noah (and Taj) get that matchup, leaving Love to guard the slower big men who stick around the basket. And Love is great at boxing out. It would not only work for him here, it would be a great fit.

A Melo deal may bring in more sponsorships, but Love is a better player to add to Rose and Noah long term. I would focus on bringing Love here, and make Melo and secondary option. But hey, that's just me.

patryk7754 · Post #71 » by **patryk7754** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:48 pm

Say some how we get Love, would we still be able to sign Melo as long as boozer's contract is gone?

Ralphb07 · Post #72 » by **Ralphb07** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:51 pm

Look for the Bulls to offer Nikola, 16 and 19 a long with any fillers for him.

BullsFTW · Post #73 » by **BullsFTW** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:52 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:Look for the Bulls to offer Nikola, 16 and 19 a long with any fillers for him.

On draft night Ralph?

RememberLu · Post #74 » by **RememberLu** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:53 pm

is everyone here okay with pursuing Love instead of Melo? I tend to think Melo makes us more immediate contenders

I dont want to say I dont want Love, because that would be dumb...but when it comes down to it, I dont want Love.

Post #75 » by **Rerisen** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:53 pm

I don't think Mirotic to Minny is very realistic. People will try and say Rubio is there, but why is he going to care about one Spainard, when he can stay in Europe and keep playing with a whole team of them, AND not be in a foreign frozen wasteland of talent in Minnesota for years?

He would be likely much more amenable to NY imo, because they would probably easily pay whatever it took to get him over, and he isn't going to say no to 7-8m starting money.

PMONSTER · Post #76 » by **PMONSTER** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:53 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:Im not convinced K Love can be a #1, maybe even a #2 on a title contending team.

If you get Melo and Love....Now your talking.

It's funny.... I could see us getting both.

Then I think about our FO and I just to get one at least.

It all depends on what NY is willing to do.

Ralphb07 · Post #77 » by **Ralphb07** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:54 pm

BullsFTW wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:Look for the Bulls to offer Nikola, 16 and 19 a long with any fillers for him.

On draft night Ralph?

Yeah on draft night. I wonder if Nikola holds more value than the Lakers pick. We need to hope LA don't win the lotto.

red222 · Post #78 » by **red222** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:55 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:Look for the Bulls to offer Nikola, 16 and 19 a long with any fillers for him.

RememberLu · Post #79 » by **RememberLu** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:55 pm

Mirotic has the right of refusal, he's not gonna want to go from Spain to Minnesota :lol:

Ralphb07 · Post #80 » by **Ralphb07** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:56 pm

Rerisen wrote:I don't think Mirotic to Minny is very realistic. People will try and say Rubio is there, but why is he going to care about one Spainard, when he can stay in Europe and keep playing with a whole team of them, AND not be in a foreign frozen wasteland of talent in Minnesota for years?

He would be likely much more amenable to NY imo, because they would probably easily pay whatever it took to get him over, and he isn't going to say no to 7-8m starting money.

Nikola could be a great trade chip for Minny though.