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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#61 » by cbjackson7 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 am

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Rerisen wrote:Well learning experience in how to close. Clippers have been together way longer and it shows.

If the Bulls ever get it together long enough to try and make some noise, they would probably need to upgrade the bench bigs.

Fred needs to just have a short leash on Portis.

Honestly, might just be better off going with Taj and Lopez for 35 mins each, Niko for 20-26 and Bobby can get 0-6.


Id rather Doug play at the 4 more then have Bobby out there, but you cant teach height.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#62 » by mmmmmbeeer » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 am

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Payt10 wrote:A little glimpse into what bad coaching can do for you in close game situations. Some crucial rebounds missed in crunch time with Portis in the game over Lopez. This was a terrible loss. I don't really care who you're playing, but you shouldn't lose games when you establish a 19 point lead.


This **** isn't on Fred.


Explain and do not say it's because Lopez couldn't guard speights. That argument has no weight to it at all because speights scored 20 on the guys who were supposedly able to defend the 3.


If you watched that game and come away thinking, "man, if not for Bobby Portis we win this game.", you've never watched NBA basketball before tonight. Guys get hot and there's certainly no precedent of RoLo being good guarding a 5 out at the 3pt line.

Bulls went something like 3-17 down the stretch...that wasn't Bobby. Bulls got absolutely **** by an official...that wasn't Bobby.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#63 » by nomorezorro » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 am

like even if lopez gets burned by speights it's easy to yank him

leaving a dud of an NBA player on the court for an extended stretch in a close game that's falling away and saying 'well this is definitely objectively our best option' is bad coaching, man
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#64 » by BahamaBull » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 am

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Rerisen wrote:Well learning experience in how to close. Clippers have been together way longer and it shows.

If the Bulls ever get it together long enough to try and make some noise, they would probably need to upgrade the bench bigs.

Fred needs to just have a short leash on Portis.

Honestly, might just be better off going with Taj and Lopez for 35 mins each, Niko for 20-26 and Bobby can get 0-6.


I agree! He ate Bobby Portis alive...
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#65 » by Red Larrivee » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 am

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Red Larrivee wrote:It really is amazing the amount of fans who would've played our slowest big man against the Clippers most mobile front-court combination.

Mo Speights is not mobile. He's a stationary shooter.

And putting in the right lineup X's and O's wise doesn't work when you're replacing a competent NBA player (Lopez) with a terrible one (Portis).


Speights isn't Jason Kapono out there. He can definitely move around the perimeter, and having Lopez guarding him in PNR's would be terrible. Lopez is awesome, but the reality is that he is not a good center when teams play hybrid/smallball lineups.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#66 » by High level » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 am

TheAznDoughBoy wrote:Lol homeboi Jimmy got ZERO clutch gene in him. Enjoy your franchise player Bulls!

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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#67 » by pduh01 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 am

TheAznDoughBoy wrote:Lol homeboi Jimmy got ZERO clutch gene in him. Enjoy your franchise player Bulls!


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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#68 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:18 am

Meh it sucks to lose down the stretch but they got a lot of home flopping calls. If the Clippers are one of the top teams in the league, it proves that we belong in my opinion.

We made a TON of errors though defensively. We consistently gave up the 3 which has been are Achilles heel in games we have lost.

Fred played Bobby WAY too long and Stacey King against called him out on it. Its one thing to play him..fine. Its another to play him roughly 15 straight game minutes. Speights was eating him alive on both ends. The rebounds that he missed, the fouls, and the poor execution, really cost us overall.

Hope Jimmy catches himself tonight. He could never find a rhythm tonight. We will need him and the bench to step up tomorrow as they will be doing the heavy lifting.

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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#69 » by Bulls03 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:18 am

McBuckets3 wrote:One issue we must address asap...How to defend stretch 4s...Lakers have none of that so we are good tomorrow...But I wonder what are we going to do when we play Houston with a guy like Ryan Anderson? Are we going to ride Bobby Portis the entire game?? If so, let me know so I can make other plans.


This team is probably shook after this loss. I'll be happy with a win tomorrow and we should beat them but, I don't see it.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#70 » by Polynice4Pippen » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:18 am

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The offensive rebound and put back early in the quarter for sure. Whether he would have or not Lopez should've for sure been on the floor. If Bobby and Niko aren't defending him what's the difference? Bobby did nothing on offense and Mo wouldn't have been able to stop Lopez.


Yes, Lopez gets that rebound. But he also gives Speights a few more open looks because he can't move his feet in space. Perhaps Lopez could have been on Blake, but I think Fred wanted Taj on Blake. And putting Lopez on Speights at the 3 point line is just ridiculous. Taj, Niko and Bobby are your only options for Speights.


I'm not buying it. If anything Lopez would've stepped out and made Speights put it on the floor which would've led to good things for us.


Dude, they were running pick n rolls. You know how much running Robin would have to do showing on Paul and then racing back to Speights at the 3 point line? No chance.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#71 » by Proven_Winner » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:18 am

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GimmeDat wrote:I don't blame Fred for playing Bobby. You can definitely argue against it, but Lopez guarding a stretch 5 would've been a problem.


Thank you. Were people not paying attention the amount of PNR's they were running at the top? There's no way you can put Lopez in that with a big looking to shoot or put the ball on the floor.


You still have to try something different. Don't let your guy keep getting cooked. Even if he played felicio it might've worked out differently. How many shots does a guy have to make before you decide to change how you defend him.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#72 » by Ctownbulls » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:18 am

This isn't a bad loss by any means. They battled with one of the league's best on the road without a great game from their stud. They showed competitive heart. Can't win them all.

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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#73 » by BloodyQ » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:18 am

This loss is beyond frustrating....hopefully they come back tomorrow and torch the Lakers
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#74 » by XxMisterFreakXx » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:19 am

People need to chill on Fred it doesn't help when you have Jimmy and Niko throwing up bricks. Ya I understand people didn't like Portis out there for that long nor did I but Lopez can't guard the 3 point line and the Clippers had lots of shooters out there If Niko had a better game both ends there's a good chance he put's in Niko over Portis I could be wrong but ya Hoiberg deserves part of the blame for his questionable rotations but it doesn't help either also when you get so many BS calls on you. There are so many other things that factored into this loss.
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Post#75 » by Ctownbulls » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:19 am

TheAznDoughBoy wrote:Hit the bricks-RB83

You mean like how he just locked up Blake on the biggest defensive play of the game or how he's been making big shots down the stretch all season? That's for stopping by.

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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#76 » by Bulls03 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:19 am

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This **** isn't on Fred.


Explain and do not say it's because Lopez couldn't guard speights. That argument has no weight to it at all because speights scored 20 on the guys who were supposedly able to defend the 3.


If you watched that game and come away thinking, "man, if not for Bobby Portis we win this game.", you've never watched NBA basketball before tonight. Guys get hot and there's certainly no precedent of RoLo being good guarding a 5 out at the 3pt line.

Bulls went something like 3-17 down the stretch...that wasn't Bobby. Bulls got absolutely **** by an official...that wasn't Bobby.

Regardless of if Mo gets his 16 on Lopez (he probably doesn't) Lopez is a good scorer and great screen setter. Portis is nothing.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#77 » by Proven_Winner » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:19 am

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McBuckets3 wrote:One issue we must address asap...How to defend stretch 4s...Lakers have none of that so we are good tomorrow...But I wonder what are we going to do when we play Houston with a guy like Ryan Anderson? Are we going to ride Bobby Portis the entire game?? If so, let me know so I can make other plans.


This team is probably shook after this loss. I'll be happy with a win tomorrow and we should beat them but, I don't see it.


Why would they be shook. It was a close game and it isn't our first loss. Just get up tomorrow and play again.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#78 » by bearadonisdna » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:20 am

nomorezorro wrote:mo speights outscored our entire bench and people are defending the decision to leave bobby portis in because lopez would have been a bad defensive matchup


Lmfao. You make a great point.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#79 » by TheSuzerain » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:21 am

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Red Larrivee wrote:It really is amazing the amount of fans who would've played our slowest big man against the Clippers most mobile front-court combination.

Mo Speights is not mobile. He's a stationary shooter.

And putting in the right lineup X's and O's wise doesn't work when you're replacing a competent NBA player (Lopez) with a terrible one (Portis).


Speights isn't Jason Kapono out there. He can definitely move around the perimeter, and having Lopez guarding him in PNR's would be terrible. Lopez is awesome, but the reality is that he is not a good center when teams play hybrid/smallball lineups.

Portis is not a good defensive center in any situation. The On/Off numbers tell us that he is easily the worst defensive big.

Portis is literally never the answer. We would also have been better off going small in earnest.
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Re: PG: Screwed the pooch 

Post#80 » by R3AL1TY » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:21 am

Fred probably would have went with the Taj and Niko combination more in the 4th, but Niko was bricking too many 3s earlier and not doing anything else on offense.

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