2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[KevinPandawong]

I always find it funny when people care so much about current production and skills instead of trying to make reasonable projections to what players will be in 2-4 years from now. It's why it's so strange to me that people care so much that Garland didn't play in college this year and the concern isn't about his future health but simply "well he didn't play". Or "oh man this guys video is bad". To me, the issue with a guy who has really bad tape (i.e a guy like Cam Reddish) isn't that he's bad now; rather, the issue is do you perceive his lack of production as being poor skills (fixable), poor athleticism (much harder), or simply poor feel (almost never changes). And if it was bad, how do you fix it?

Based on this, why is Coby White viewed negatively?

+ Premium shooting ability
+ Size for position
+ Above average speed
+ Respectable defense
+ Respectable athlete (at least)
+ Plays well with pace
+ Surprisingly a good finisher at the rim (67%)
+ 19 years old
+ Higher WS, BPM than Reddish & Little

Downside:

- Length
- Shot creation
- Playmaking
- Not an elite athlete
- Handle is high at times
- Doesn't get to the line a ton (5.2/P40)

White's biggest issues seem to be skill related rather than lacking the athleticism or feel for the position. Meanwhile, Reddish and Little both seem to lack feel, intangibles and basketball IQ.

I feel like I'd be fine with White as the pick and we're underrating him some.

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I'd agree he's being underrated, but his fit on the Bulls is extremely questionable. I don't trust a White/Lavine backcourt to put Otto, Lauri, and Wendell in their best positions to succeed; I'd argue Porter and Carter might be the best playmakers of that 5-man unit. The Murray/Harris backcourt succeeds because of Jokic, the Bulls would be fools to imitate that coupling.

He's 6'5 but his standing reach is about the same as Shamorie Ponds' and Devon Dotson's, that tells me he's only capable of defending 1 position in the NBA. I am averse to drafting point guards in the 1st round anyways, there are ALWAYS capable and productive PGs for cheap available every off-season. Unless you're targeting an absolute star, it seems wasteful to use premium draft picks gambling at that position.

I also prefer NAW over White in the particular side-by-side at "combo-guard".

[fleet]

I always find it funny when people care so much about current production and skills instead of trying to make reasonable projections to what players will be in 2-4 years from now. It's why it's so strange to me that people care so much that Garland didn't play in college this year and the concern isn't about his future health but simply "well he didn't play". Or "oh man this guys video is bad". To me, the issue with a guy who has really bad tape (i.e a guy like Cam Reddish) isn't that he's bad now; rather, the issue is do you perceive his lack of production as being poor skills (fixable), poor athleticism (much harder), or simply poor feel (almost never changes). And if it was bad, how do you fix it?

Id be pretty happy if the Bulls go for a boom or bust like CR. Hes already projected as a good defender with prototype size and ability. He was a 3rd option off the ball at Duke. Definitely out of his comfort zone. Sort of the classic guy who was suppressed by his role in college.

According to your logic, Cam Reddish struggled because he was out of his element at Duke due to being a third option. What makes you then think that he would thrive in Chicago as a possible 4th option? Explain this to me.

Because we don't worry about rookie roles with mid lotto draft picks?

[chefo]

I think the most important thing for the FO is to detach their drafting from the absolute train wreck that the Bulls PG spot was last year. It's easy for them to look at the roster and say--we are set at 4 positions, we just need a PG--so let's go get one in the draft. The odds of any guard the Bulls pick at 7 to be better than any of the guys the Bulls can bring in via FA is pretty small. Nobody from this crop of rooks blows my socks off either with skill or raw talent. Of course no good way to tell, but I think the odds are low. There could be a D Mitchell hiding somewhere in there, but you can't count of finding him before the draft.

They should concentrate on getting the best player available, period. From I understand, Garland and Hachimura have gotten promises, maybe White as well. Given that the Bulls are known for making such, I would not count out the possibility that it's one of these dudes.

I would personally like Rui most of the bunch--watched NC several times this year and White, while OK, did not strike me as some otherworldly talent. Fun to watch play, but I think his finishing at the rim will flounder in the NBA. He's often like D Rose without the crazy athleticism. Not sure if that will cut it in the NBA.

Garland is a coin toss, because nobody has a clue if dude can play or not. Many a talented player can have a hot stretch of 4-5 games or even 10, especially before he is scouted.

I like Rui the most because dude started playing ball very late in life (comparatively), is very fluid and strong for somebody as big as him--which is to say that he has functional bball athleticism, and went from being unable to hit water if he fell off a boat, to looking like a baby Khawi from the mid-range (quick, high release) in just a couple of years. Which to me says that he has great hand-eye coordination and works hard. Given that he didn't speak English until last year, I'd say that the kid has wrecked any reasonable expectations.

Besides, if I'm a GM, I'd be salivating to get my hands on a kid from the world's 3rd largest economy, who could conceivably become a major Giannis-like star because my Christmas bonuses will be gargantuan if I can hit on that.

So, unless one of the guys blows them away in workouts, I'd say grab the best player you can get and deal with fit later.

[NecessaryEvil]

Kyrie played 11 games at duke

Some NBA stars played none

Garland will be a superb NBA guard, I'm sure of it

[chitowndish]

I’ve been getting interested in Sekou as well. We can bring him along slowly off the bench and if he becomes a versatile stud we have our star if not a talented versatile bench big is still something we could use and probably not bad floor for this pick. Go vet for PG position and keep our pick next year which should be a good PG draft. I don’t trade the pick, I don’t think I try and move up (unless it’s Dunn but I don’t think that is going to work) I try and identify the sleeper in this draft and I like what I see from this Sekou kid. I also don’t mind Culver White Hunter leftovers but I’d rather try and identify the stud that people are overlooking that is usually there than hope the last guy picked from the tier above us becomes one.

[dimez]

I wonder if there's a lotto team willing to swap picks and trade up to 7 to grab hunter or culver if they fall just before ATL picks. Maybe we can pick up a future 1st rd pick and hope to get lucky next year.

Rui, Bol, Clarke, NAW and Hayes could be available. Maybe even take a risk on little.

[panthermark]

I wonder if there's a lotto team willing to swap picks and trade up to 7 to grab hunter or culver if they fall just before ATL picks. Maybe we can pick up a future 1st rd pick and hope to get lucky next year.

Rui, Bol, Clarke, NAW and Hayes could be available. Maybe even take a risk on little.

If Hunter or Culver are sitting there at #7, we better grab them over White....and I'm not opposed to White.

[R3AL1TY]

I wonder if there's a lotto team willing to swap picks and trade up to 7 to grab hunter or culver if they fall just before ATL picks. Maybe we can pick up a future 1st rd pick and hope to get lucky next year.

Rui, Bol, Clarke, NAW and Hayes could be available. Maybe even take a risk on little.

If Hunter or Culver are sitting there at #7, we better grab them over White....and I'm not opposed to White.

l definitely agree with this. I think both guys will be solid 3 n D players with Culver possibly being the playmaker between the two.

[dimez]

I wonder if there's a lotto team willing to swap picks and trade up to 7 to grab hunter or culver if they fall just before ATL picks. Maybe we can pick up a future 1st rd pick and hope to get lucky next year.

Rui, Bol, Clarke, NAW and Hayes could be available. Maybe even take a risk on little.

If Hunter or Culver are sitting there at #7, we better grab them over White....and I'm not opposed to White.

l definitely agree with this. I think both guys will be solid 3 n D players with Culver possibly being the playmaker between the two.

While I don't disagree, playing time could be scarce if we pick up a wing. Lavine, OPJ, Hutch and maybe Valentine will get minutes this year, with Zach and Otto possibly playing 36+ mpg. If we can pick up another asset while taking a player with good upside, I'm all for it.

[Red Larrivee]

KC's Latest:

Garland, who played in only five games before a meniscus injury ended his lone college season, left the draft combine this week with an alleged draft promise from a lottery team. Multiple league executives assume it’s from the Lakers or Suns.

After meeting the media and interviewing with select teams, White left the combine with widespread speculation that he, too, has received a draft promise. Two league executives who spoke with the Tribune believe White’s promise is from a team that picks before the Bulls.

On the night of the draft lottery, executive vice president John Paxson said the Bulls are keeping open the option of straying from their typical draft philosophy of taking the best available player and that positional need might prevail if the available players are closely ranked. If the Bulls keep the pick and Garland or White surprisingly is available, look for either one to end up in a Bulls uniform.

Sounds like there's a good possibility that the draft unfolds like:

Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White

Leaving the Bulls with a choice of Hunter, Reddish, Little, Doumbouya, and Bol among others.

[HomoSapien]

KC's Latest:

Garland, who played in only five games before a meniscus injury ended his lone college season, left the draft combine this week with an alleged draft promise from a lottery team. Multiple league executives assume it’s from the Lakers or Suns.

After meeting the media and interviewing with select teams, White left the combine with widespread speculation that he, too, has received a draft promise. Two league executives who spoke with the Tribune believe White’s promise is from a team that picks before the Bulls.

On the night of the draft lottery, executive vice president John Paxson said the Bulls are keeping open the option of straying from their typical draft philosophy of taking the best available player and that positional need might prevail if the available players are closely ranked. If the Bulls keep the pick and Garland or White surprisingly is available, look for either one to end up in a Bulls uniform.

Sounds like there's a good possibility that the draft unfolds like:

Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White

Leaving the Bulls with a choice of Hunter, Reddish, Little, Doumbouya, and Bol among others.

I really don't understand why the Bulls, at this point in their rebuild, would stray away from BPA. We spent two years tanking and don't have a franchise player to show for it. Not saying that there's necessarily going to be a franchise player in this draft, but in a weak draft it seems like it makes the most sense to just swing for the fences.

[DanTown8587]

I always find it funny when people care so much about current production and skills instead of trying to make reasonable projections to what players will be in 2-4 years from now. It's why it's so strange to me that people care so much that Garland didn't play in college this year and the concern isn't about his future health but simply "well he didn't play". Or "oh man this guys video is bad". To me, the issue with a guy who has really bad tape (i.e a guy like Cam Reddish) isn't that he's bad now; rather, the issue is do you perceive his lack of production as being poor skills (fixable), poor athleticism (much harder), or simply poor feel (almost never changes). And if it was bad, how do you fix it?

Based on this, why is Coby White viewed negatively?

+ Premium shooting ability
+ Size for position
+ Above average speed
+ Respectable defense
+ Respectable athlete (at least)
+ Plays well with pace
+ Surprisingly a good finisher at the rim (67%)
+ 19 years old
+ Higher WS, BPM than Reddish & Little

Downside:

- Length
- Shot creation
- Playmaking
- Not an elite athlete
- Handle is high at times
- Doesn't get to the line a ton (5.2/P40)

White's biggest issues seem to be skill related rather than lacking the athleticism or feel for the position. Meanwhile, Reddish and Little both seem to lack feel, intangibles and basketball IQ.

I feel like I'd be fine with White as the pick and we're underrating him some.

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In a vacuum? Nothing really wrong with White. My main problem with him for this team is his passing seems more “my move broke down” than “I’m setting you up”. also, I don’t think he’s a quick decision maker.

At 7, if there, why not but I simply have him a tier below Garland in terms of potential and especially with there to fit with this team.

[DanTown8587]

KC's Latest:

Garland, who played in only five games before a meniscus injury ended his lone college season, left the draft combine this week with an alleged draft promise from a lottery team. Multiple league executives assume it’s from the Lakers or Suns.

After meeting the media and interviewing with select teams, White left the combine with widespread speculation that he, too, has received a draft promise. Two league executives who spoke with the Tribune believe White’s promise is from a team that picks before the Bulls.

On the night of the draft lottery, executive vice president John Paxson said the Bulls are keeping open the option of straying from their typical draft philosophy of taking the best available player and that positional need might prevail if the available players are closely ranked. If the Bulls keep the pick and Garland or White surprisingly is available, look for either one to end up in a Bulls uniform.

Sounds like there's a good possibility that the draft unfolds like:

Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White

Leaving the Bulls with a choice of Hunter, Reddish, Little, Doumbouya, and Bol among others.

I really don't understand why the Bulls, at this point in their rebuild, would stray away from BPA. We spent two years tanking and don't have a franchise player to show for it. Not saying that there's necessarily going to be a franchise player in this draft, but in a weak draft it seems like it makes the most sense to just swing for the fences.

If you’re going to hit a “HR” outside the top 5, it’s far more likely you’re going to do so because you drafted a player who has deficient in some areas becoming better than you are drafting some athlete and hoping they’re good.

DeAndre Hunter is the homerun swing, not Cam Reddish.

[Repeat 3-peat]

**** those damn ping pong balls.

[GimmeDat]

I need to look more closely in to Sekou and the way he moves and whether he can play some 3. Up to this point it's been considered he's a 4.

But no doubt about it, there's a lot of upside there, he's still only 18, he's a baby, and a game like today's (34 points) demonstrates the sort of talent that is coming together for him. Should definitely be in the conversation, at least.

As Red said, it seems like the guards might even go before us. There's a lot of combo-forwards to choose from after that. It's a position I don't envy the Bulls for being in, you can make a good argument for any of the guys (excluding Bol, I don't think he's in the convo for us) that Red listed above.. and that's why I'd prefer to be down a few spots (with an asset as compensation) and have the choice almost made for us.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Definitely going to start studying Doumbouya.

Bulls love their Duke players so Reddish is a legit possibility.


Also a trade is still very possible. K.C mentioned Conley and Lonzo again as targets. Also remember the reports of the Bulls being interested in Jrue Holiday if they fell in the draft? well they did.

[NecessaryEvil]

Would be thankful to get Garland one pick before Dame Lillard was selected.

If we do not land Garland due to this rich paul connection, I'mma be pissed.

I'll be fine with Bol wagon at #7. If the selections of Lauri and WCJ prove anything, it's that we know how to draft top tier versatile bigs in the top ten, even without a top 5 pick.

[R3AL1TY]

If Hunter or Culver are sitting there at #7, we better grab them over White....and I'm not opposed to White.

l definitely agree with this. I think both guys will be solid 3 n D players with Culver possibly being the playmaker between the two.

While I don't disagree, playing time could be scarce if we pick up a wing. Lavine, OPJ, Hutch and maybe Valentine will get minutes this year, with Zach and Otto possibly playing 36+ mpg. If we can pick up another asset while taking a player with good upside, I'm all for it.

True...they may have to trade Valentine or Hutch with the #7 pick to pickup another pick or a higher pick. I like the idea someone on here suggested where they can trade for Clarkson + #5.

[HomoSapien]

KC's Latest:





Sounds like there's a good possibility that the draft unfolds like:

Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White

Leaving the Bulls with a choice of Hunter, Reddish, Little, Doumbouya, and Bol among others.

I really don't understand why the Bulls, at this point in their rebuild, would stray away from BPA. We spent two years tanking and don't have a franchise player to show for it. Not saying that there's necessarily going to be a franchise player in this draft, but in a weak draft it seems like it makes the most sense to just swing for the fences.

If you’re going to hit a “HR” outside the top 5, it’s far more likely you’re going to do so because you drafted a player who has deficient in some areas becoming better than you are drafting some athlete and hoping they’re good.

DeAndre Hunter is the homerun swing, not Cam Reddish.

If it's true that both Garland and White have promises before the Bulls select, then that likely means Culver or Hunter are dropping to us. KC keeps talking about how Paxson is considering drafting for positional need (PG), but if those two are gone who else is out there? Carsen Edwards? We're not drafting him at 7.

[Red Larrivee]

If you’re going to hit a “HR” outside the top 5, it’s far more likely you’re going to do so because you drafted a player who has deficient in some areas becoming better than you are drafting some athlete and hoping they’re good.

DeAndre Hunter is the homerun swing, not Cam Reddish.

Yeah, this is where I'm leaning as well. Hunter's floor is very appealing: Guards 1-4, good three-point shooter, good athlete, multiple effort player on both sides of the ball, high IQ and produced at a high level with sustainable and projectable usage.