Jcool0 wrote:
Except for the RealGM's in the Trade board.
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pipfan wrote:I would think about it, if we moved up with our pick and AK likes Edwards
We could
-get a lottery pick for Lavine, and another asset
-free up cash (for JR), cap space (to swallow bad deals and get more assets)
-get in the top 6 in the next 2 drafts, which both should be loaded
-build around White, Lauri, Edwards, Carter, Gafford, Hutch
spearsy23 wrote:Kobe is a low percentage chucker just like Jennings, he's just better at it.
teamCHItown wrote:Now we have threads on what violent felons think of our Bulls. Great. Next up, OJ Simpson's take on a possible Taj Gibson extension.
Jvaughn wrote:pipfan wrote:I would think about it, if we moved up with our pick and AK likes Edwards
We could
-get a lottery pick for Lavine, and another asset
-free up cash (for JR), cap space (to swallow bad deals and get more assets)
-get in the top 6 in the next 2 drafts, which both should be loaded
-build around White, Lauri, Edwards, Carter, Gafford, Hutch
So how long do we continue to blow up and rebuild. Because that's a lottery team for the foreseeable future. We're getting dangerously close to being the joke the Sixers were.
cjbulls wrote:And you wonder why deals never get done.... the offers here are already crazy. Barrett and their own FRP? Levert and Dinwiddie?
Zach doesn't have that value for all the negative reasons sprinkled throughout this thread. And I say this as a Zach fan.
Here is a snippet of what the Knicks board is saying (on top of all the "not interested" comments):
"If Chicago is looking to dump salary, I'll take a pick and send them DSJ."
"I’d kick the tires on Zach and Lauri but not be willing to give up too much at the same time (alternatives are there in FA and neither guy is changing the team’s trajectory enough to get too hype on). But Zach and RJ on the wings can work and Mitch, Lauri, Stretch 4 is a nice big man trio for a rotation."
"Like if the deal is Randle, Knox, and 2 1sts, one of them being the Clippers pick this year, is that a bad deal, from a pure asset standpoint? "
"Randle + Dalas picks + 1 player from Knox/Dennis/Frank would be enough? "
The Nets board didn't even bother to discuss it so far, although I just don't think the Nets have fans.
No one on either side is being realistic about what a trade would look like.
spearsy23 wrote:Kobe is a low percentage chucker just like Jennings, he's just better at it.
teamCHItown wrote:Now we have threads on what violent felons think of our Bulls. Great. Next up, OJ Simpson's take on a possible Taj Gibson extension.
Jvaughn wrote:cjbulls wrote:And you wonder why deals never get done.... the offers here are already crazy. Barrett and their own FRP? Levert and Dinwiddie?
Zach doesn't have that value for all the negative reasons sprinkled throughout this thread. And I say this as a Zach fan.
Here is a snippet of what the Knicks board is saying (on top of all the "not interested" comments):
"If Chicago is looking to dump salary, I'll take a pick and send them DSJ."
"I’d kick the tires on Zach and Lauri but not be willing to give up too much at the same time (alternatives are there in FA and neither guy is changing the team’s trajectory enough to get too hype on). But Zach and RJ on the wings can work and Mitch, Lauri, Stretch 4 is a nice big man trio for a rotation."
"Like if the deal is Randle, Knox, and 2 1sts, one of them being the Clippers pick this year, is that a bad deal, from a pure asset standpoint? "
"Randle + Dalas picks + 1 player from Knox/Dennis/Frank would be enough? "
The Nets board didn't even bother to discuss it so far, although I just don't think the Nets have fans.
No one on either side is being realistic about what a trade would look like.
Well Knicks fans are delusional, so that's not really a good example. If they think we'd give up Zach AND a pick for Dennis Smith Jr. who hasn't even managed to secure the starting PG spot in NY, their opinions don't matter.
cjbulls wrote:Jvaughn wrote:cjbulls wrote:And you wonder why deals never get done.... the offers here are already crazy. Barrett and their own FRP? Levert and Dinwiddie?
Zach doesn't have that value for all the negative reasons sprinkled throughout this thread. And I say this as a Zach fan.
Here is a snippet of what the Knicks board is saying (on top of all the "not interested" comments):
"If Chicago is looking to dump salary, I'll take a pick and send them DSJ."
"I’d kick the tires on Zach and Lauri but not be willing to give up too much at the same time (alternatives are there in FA and neither guy is changing the team’s trajectory enough to get too hype on). But Zach and RJ on the wings can work and Mitch, Lauri, Stretch 4 is a nice big man trio for a rotation."
"Like if the deal is Randle, Knox, and 2 1sts, one of them being the Clippers pick this year, is that a bad deal, from a pure asset standpoint? "
"Randle + Dalas picks + 1 player from Knox/Dennis/Frank would be enough? "
The Nets board didn't even bother to discuss it so far, although I just don't think the Nets have fans.
No one on either side is being realistic about what a trade would look like.
Well Knicks fans are delusional, so that's not really a good example. If they think we'd give up Zach AND a pick for Dennis Smith Jr. who hasn't even managed to secure the starting PG spot in NY, their opinions don't matter.
I agree. But we get pretty close on the other side. Barrett was the #3 pick in the draft and now you're asking for a second top 10 selection (both on rookie contracts) for Zach. Seems almost as delusional to me.
cjbulls wrote:And you wonder why deals never get done.... the offers here are already crazy. Barrett and their own FRP? Levert and Dinwiddie?
Zach doesn't have that value for all the negative reasons sprinkled throughout this thread. And I say this as a Zach fan.
Here is a snippet of what the Knicks board is saying (on top of all the "not interested" comments):
"If Chicago is looking to dump salary, I'll take a pick and send them DSJ."
"I’d kick the tires on Zach and Lauri but not be willing to give up too much at the same time (alternatives are there in FA and neither guy is changing the team’s trajectory enough to get too hype on). But Zach and RJ on the wings can work and Mitch, Lauri, Stretch 4 is a nice big man trio for a rotation."
"Like if the deal is Randle, Knox, and 2 1sts, one of them being the Clippers pick this year, is that a bad deal, from a pure asset standpoint? "
"Randle + Dalas picks + 1 player from Knox/Dennis/Frank would be enough? "
The Nets board didn't even bother to discuss it so far, although I just don't think the Nets have fans.
No one on either side is being realistic about what a trade would look like.
Paradise wrote:cjbulls wrote:And you wonder why deals never get done.... the offers here are already crazy. Barrett and their own FRP? Levert and Dinwiddie?
Zach doesn't have that value for all the negative reasons sprinkled throughout this thread. And I say this as a Zach fan.
Here is a snippet of what the Knicks board is saying (on top of all the "not interested" comments):
"If Chicago is looking to dump salary, I'll take a pick and send them DSJ."
"I’d kick the tires on Zach and Lauri but not be willing to give up too much at the same time (alternatives are there in FA and neither guy is changing the team’s trajectory enough to get too hype on). But Zach and RJ on the wings can work and Mitch, Lauri, Stretch 4 is a nice big man trio for a rotation."
"Like if the deal is Randle, Knox, and 2 1sts, one of them being the Clippers pick this year, is that a bad deal, from a pure asset standpoint? "
"Randle + Dalas picks + 1 player from Knox/Dennis/Frank would be enough? "
The Nets board didn't even bother to discuss it so far, although I just don't think the Nets have fans.
No one on either side is being realistic about what a trade would look like.
We have but it’s not much to talk about yet. It’s kind of Beal or bust for us IMO. That’s the only trade worth dealing both Dinwiddie and LeVert plus picks for.
I like Lavine but I’m not sure any deal for him makes sense that gives up Dinwiddie, LeVert, Claxton. Three guys with borderline all-star potential on a team with more touches in Chicago isn’t going to sit well in Brooklyn. It probably would turn into a Melo-NYK situation or Billy King situation. The good thing about him is age and the ability to carry possibly more of the load when KD begins to age.
It would be Dinwiddie/2020 1st/2023 1st/Prince/Kurucs/Musa for the most part as our first offer.
League Circles wrote:Lavine is the kind of player that might not become great until he's like 29 years old, when he still has pretty great physical ability but has had many years to improve gradually on decision making and consistency through experience and hopefully good coaching.
cjbulls wrote:And you wonder why deals never get done.... the offers here are already crazy. Barrett and their own FRP? Levert and Dinwiddie?
Zach doesn't have that value for all the negative reasons sprinkled throughout this thread. And I say this as a Zach fan.
Here is a snippet of what the Knicks board is saying (on top of all the "not interested" comments):
"If Chicago is looking to dump salary, I'll take a pick and send them DSJ."
"I’d kick the tires on Zach and Lauri but not be willing to give up too much at the same time (alternatives are there in FA and neither guy is changing the team’s trajectory enough to get too hype on). But Zach and RJ on the wings can work and Mitch, Lauri, Stretch 4 is a nice big man trio for a rotation."
"Like if the deal is Randle, Knox, and 2 1sts, one of them being the Clippers pick this year, is that a bad deal, from a pure asset standpoint? "
"Randle + Dalas picks + 1 player from Knox/Dennis/Frank would be enough? "
The Nets board didn't even bother to discuss it so far, although I just don't think the Nets have fans.
No one on either side is being realistic about what a trade would look like.
MikeDC wrote:It's obvious why the Nets would be interested. Zach would make a nearly ideal fit as a 3rd option with Durant and KD. However, there's really nothing we should want from the Nets. Their pick won't be worth Zach by himself.
The players they can offer back aren't obviously better, or they wouldn't be open to trading them for Zach. Like, Levert is a lesser player making almost as much as what Zach makes. So that's not a very sensible trade for us. I like Dinwiddie, but he's likewise not a going who's going to change our fortunes.
Point is, the best case scenario of trading with the Nets is we trade a dime for two nickels.
The Knicks are another story. They've assuming they're in the top 3 of the draft, that could be Ball/Edwards/Wiseman/Hayes. A potential difference-making player. But not a sure thing, so I'd ask for more as well. If the pick isn't going to be Wiseman, the obvious diamond in the rough on the Knicks roster is Mitchell Robinson. If we turned Zach into Hayes and Robinson I'd be really happy.
Jvaughn wrote:Knicks odds for lottery are barely better than ours, and this isn't really that attractive of a draft for that type of move.
Paradise wrote:cjbulls wrote:And you wonder why deals never get done.... the offers here are already crazy. Barrett and their own FRP? Levert and Dinwiddie?
Zach doesn't have that value for all the negative reasons sprinkled throughout this thread. And I say this as a Zach fan.
Here is a snippet of what the Knicks board is saying (on top of all the "not interested" comments):
"If Chicago is looking to dump salary, I'll take a pick and send them DSJ."
"I’d kick the tires on Zach and Lauri but not be willing to give up too much at the same time (alternatives are there in FA and neither guy is changing the team’s trajectory enough to get too hype on). But Zach and RJ on the wings can work and Mitch, Lauri, Stretch 4 is a nice big man trio for a rotation."
"Like if the deal is Randle, Knox, and 2 1sts, one of them being the Clippers pick this year, is that a bad deal, from a pure asset standpoint? "
"Randle + Dalas picks + 1 player from Knox/Dennis/Frank would be enough? "
The Nets board didn't even bother to discuss it so far, although I just don't think the Nets have fans.
No one on either side is being realistic about what a trade would look like.
We have but it’s not much to talk about yet. It’s kind of Beal or bust for us IMO. That’s the only trade worth dealing both Dinwiddie and LeVert plus picks for.
I like Lavine but I’m not sure any deal for him makes sense that gives up Dinwiddie, LeVert, Claxton. Three guys with borderline all-star potential on a team with more touches in Chicago isn’t going to sit well in Brooklyn. It probably would turn into a Melo-NYK situation or Billy King situation. The good thing about him is age and the ability to carry possibly more of the load when KD begins to age.
It would be Dinwiddie/2020 1st/2023 1st/Prince/Kurucs/Musa for the most part as our first offer.