OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

Post #61 » by **fleet** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:11 am

Somewhere, Mike Glennon is texting Andy Dalton.

Post #62 » by **fleet** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:16 am

ch434355 wrote:hahahah @ calling fields a "leadership prospect"

Dominator83 · Post #63 » by **Dominator83** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:28 am

mlitney01 wrote:I saw a stat somewhere that said Fields was one of the most accurate deep ball passers (20+ yards) in the past 10 years of college football. The kid has an arm, which is necessary in the Windy City. But he also has the mobility to be a dual threat QB. I'm really excited about this pick.

If you search for Justin Fields on youtube, some of the first videos that show up are "Why is Justin Fields falling down draft charts?" I watched a few of them and no one really had an answer. He had bad games against Northwestern (#1 ranked defense in the nation) and Indiana (#5 ranked defense in the nation) but otherwise he was fairly dominant at the highest level.

He showed a lot of a toughness in that Clemson game where he got absolutely smashed in the ribs, only to come back and throw several deep TD passes.

He might not become an elite QB in the NFL, but I have a feeling he'll be good. I think he'll be the best QB the Bears have had in a long while. He says that he modeled his game after Russell Wilson, and there are a lot of similarities. If he can be half the QB that Wilson is, our franchise should be in a good place for the next 10+ years.

Justin Fields might be the best QB in our division if Rodgers decides to leave. His competition would be Kirk Cousins, Jordan Love, and Jared Goff. Something to think about.

The strength you pointed out is one of the more important aspects of a QB: accuracy

I'm this very forum in these Bears threads, I've mentioned many times over the last few years, even during Mitchs 2nd year which was his best, that his success wasn't sustainable.....because even in his good year, he still wasn't showing much of any ability to throw the ball downfield for strikes. All the great ones do that. Mitch couldn't. A big reason why he was solid in his 2nd year, was because he consistently made plays with his running ability. Once he stopped doing that it was game over for him. He was a better runner than he was a passer, and why he stopped running was beyond me.

Dresden · Post #64 » by **Dresden** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:35 am

fleet wrote:And the Patriots simply grab their QB with their own pick. Must be nice to function that way.

It won't be long before they find out he's not the next TB though, and Pats fans turn on him.

nomorezorro · Post #65 » by **nomorezorro** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:36 am

logical_art wrote:Giants fan here. How good are you guys expecting to be this season?

not very, unless fields is great from the jump

i feel like it's a coin flip between us being competent enough to go 8-9 / everything falling apart to the point we end go 3-14. it'll be fun to see if the bears or the bulls end up giving up a higher pick!

that being said, if fields is the prospect people say he is...#20 and a future first is worth it. now we just have to trust that ryan pace got a qb pick right

nomorezorro · Post #66 » by **nomorezorro** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:38 am

probably short-sighted, but i do like that we kept our second day picks this year. i feel like covid chaos presents more opportunities to find quality players lower in the draft, even if it's harder to identify them

Dresden · Post #67 » by **Dresden** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:42 am

It's pretty exciting to get another shot at a franchise QB in the draft after the Mitch fiasco. And we didn't have to trade that much to get him. Certainly nothing like what the 49'ers gave up. And with the depth of the QB class this year, even at #11 we were able to get a guy that arguably could be the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the class. And I'm not sold on Trevor Lawrence being all that great either. He's got great size and speed, but he seemed to not be able to put his team on his back in a couple of big games. He looked great when AL was running up the score on teams, but I just am not certain he has the ability to make big plays when the pressure is on, against good D's.

TheStig · Post #68 » by **TheStig** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:45 am

I know nothing about college football but the highlights look nice. I hope he can do it on the next level.

Post #69 » by **fleet** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:17 am

Dresden wrote:It's pretty exciting to get another shot at a franchise QB in the draft after the Mitch fiasco. And we didn't have to trade that much to get him. Certainly nothing like what the 49'ers gave up. And with the depth of the QB class this year, even at #11 we were able to get a guy that arguably could be the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the class. And I'm not sold on Trevor Lawrence being all that great either. He's got great size and speed, but he seemed to not be able to put his team on his back in a couple of big games. He looked great when AL was running up the score on teams, but I just am not certain he has the ability to make big plays when the pressure is on, against good D's.

Interesting that the 49ers were the ones this time that pulled a Ryan Pace albeit from much further back, for a projectable guy rather than a more accomplished guy. And the Bears were the ones doing Texans and Chiefs moves.

Hey, Fields has tiny, baby-sized hands. But then again so do Mahomes, Murray and Watson.

ThisGuyFawkes · Post #70 » by **ThisGuyFawkes** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:41 am

Maybe we can still grab Teven Jenkins in the 2nd round. That would be my dream scenario.

ThisGuyFawkes · Post #71 » by **ThisGuyFawkes** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:42 am

fleet wrote:
Dresden wrote:It's pretty exciting to get another shot at a franchise QB in the draft after the Mitch fiasco. And we didn't have to trade that much to get him. Certainly nothing like what the 49'ers gave up. And with the depth of the QB class this year, even at #11 we were able to get a guy that arguably could be the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the class. And I'm not sold on Trevor Lawrence being all that great either. He's got great size and speed, but he seemed to not be able to put his team on his back in a couple of big games. He looked great when AL was running up the score on teams, but I just am not certain he has the ability to make big plays when the pressure is on, against good D's.

Interesting that the 49ers were the ones this time that pulled a Ryan Pace albeit from much further back, for a projectable guy rather than a more accomplished guy. And the Bears were the ones doing Texans and Chiefs moves.

Hey, Fields has tiny, baby-sized hands. But then again so do Mahomes, Murray and Watson.

Wait... Fields has Trump hands? I immediately rescind all of my earlier excitement.

CjayC · Post #72 » by **CjayC** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:05 am

Let’s go bearsssss. Fields was my guy I vouch let’s gooooooooo

CjayC · Post #73 » by **CjayC** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:09 am

fleet wrote:
Dresden wrote:It's pretty exciting to get another shot at a franchise QB in the draft after the Mitch fiasco. And we didn't have to trade that much to get him. Certainly nothing like what the 49'ers gave up. And with the depth of the QB class this year, even at #11 we were able to get a guy that arguably could be the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the class. And I'm not sold on Trevor Lawrence being all that great either. He's got great size and speed, but he seemed to not be able to put his team on his back in a couple of big games. He looked great when AL was running up the score on teams, but I just am not certain he has the ability to make big plays when the pressure is on, against good D's.

Interesting that the 49ers were the ones this time that pulled a Ryan Pace albeit from much further back, for a projectable guy rather than a more accomplished guy. And the Bears were the ones doing Texans and Chiefs moves.

Hey, Fields has tiny, baby-sized hands. But then again so do Mahomes, Murray and Watson.

Mahomes was my QB 1 last time no bs. I definitely hyper focused on Watson’s negatives last time, but not this time. Fields had my back all the way as the #2. Or 3 QB. Praying it works this time.

thedarkstark · Post #74 » by **thedarkstark** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:42 am

So tired of trading first rounders away, just fire pace now.

I can't get excited for Justin Fields... nothing against him, he might the savior I don't really care at this point. Pace is so bad, so desperate? or is he? He probably got a secret extension by the gutless mcaskeys so we're stuck with him for multiples seasons.

Bullflip · Post #75 » by **Bullflip** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:45 am

thedarkstark wrote:So tired of trading first rounders away, just fire pace now.

I can't get excited for Justin Fields... nothing against him, he might the savior I don't really care at this point. Pace is so bad, so desperate? or is he? He probably got a secret extension by the gutless mcaskeys so we're stuck with him for multiples seasons.

Well, if you think from his perspective, he went for the big move because if it works and the Bears become Super Bowl contenders for the next 5-10 years, his job is saved. If it doesn’t work, he was getting fired anyways so it’s a no-lose situation for Nagy and Pace.

Post #76 » by **RedBulls23** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:55 am

And with just one pick the Bears officially pull me back in!!

Haven't been this excited about a Bears 1st round pick lie this in a long ass time.

Jeffster81 · Post #77 » by **Jeffster81** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:59 am

logical_art wrote:Giants fan here. How good are you guys expecting to be this season?

Don't expect a top 10 pick. I think that pick will end up in the 18-22 range for you guys. I think the Bears will be straight up average next year, so 7 to 9 wins.

Bears had an excellent night. 49ers had a tough night. Yeah, Lance might be good but he's a project.

I love Mac Jones but he was a reach at 15, not a Christian Ponder level reach but a reach nonetheless. I wonder why NE gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to QB. *Only three QB's drafted during the Belichick era, has had even remote NFL success and that is Brady (little more than remote, I grant you that), Matt Cassell, and Jimmy Garoppolo. So why do people assume that just because NE took Jones that automatically means Mac becomes the next great NFL star.

Again I think NE reached for Jones at 15.

*I give you this, none of those QB previously drafted went higher than the 2nd rd during Belichick era, and that was Jimmy G. So Mac Jones is the highest drafted QB during BB's tenure.

Bears had a good night.

JohnnyTapwater · Post #78 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:28 am

This is why I remain optimistic and choose the brighter scenarios to fixate on.

Post #79 » by **dougthonus** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:27 am

dice wrote:you sure do love thinking in decades. trading for khalil mack did not save the franchise for a decade, and fields won't either unless he's both a franchise QB and a respectable supporting cast is put around him. just ask deshaun watson

A elite QB absolutely has a chance to save you for a decade. You are never far out of it if you start with an elite QB. Is Fields an elite QB? I would rate him higher than Trubisky, but no matter how highly rated a QB is, you never know. Going back in my memory, Fields is the best QB prospect the Bears have ever had. Still may not work, but I think this was pretty good value to gamble on him being a franchise QB without giving up too much.

and they're quite OK with that gamble, because without this trade they were getting fired anyway. even if they KNEW this is a bad trade, they would still have done it

Hard to say how ownership will operate, but Fields may give them more time either way. Even with a bad season, if people are excited about Fields, they'll give him two years before throwing in the towel. Some ownership groups are really patient regardless though.

Either way, I'm usually not a trade up guy, but this is a move I both like and understand.

Post #80 » by **dougthonus** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:33 am

dice wrote:could well be. could end up better than lawrence

so why did fields fall? why are wilson and lance expected to be franchise QBs now but not fields?

Why did Mahomes and Watson fall and Trubisky rise?

People fall in love with some traits and get irrationally cared of others or make bad guesses. Listening to the predraft ESPN talking heads, everyone seemed to rate Lawrence above the pack, but all the other prospects pretty similarly. It was a very common question as to why Fields was falling and no one had an answer and many thought he was the 2nd best but that this next tier of QBs were all similarly graded.