Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion

[jnrjr79]

I'm down with Lowry... Would love to see that happen but know it probably won't. Although I could see how AK could sell it to him.

We will probably end up with Lonzo though I'm starting to get on the TJ McConnel bandwagon...

My number 1 target that will never happen is still Malcolm Brogdon...

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This is about where I am. I’d prefer Lowry on a 2-year, high dollar deal to Lonzo on a 4-year, high dollar deal. But I imagine Lowry wants to contend and I think he’ll have similarly lucrative offers from better teams than the Bulls. I’m open to Lonzo, but not sold on the idea.

[Am2626]

My out there idea - Kemba Walker.

I think Boston would need to attach at least 1 pick.

Could a Sato + Lauri S&T for Kemba and BOS 2021 1st make some sense?

We recoup a pick from the Vuc trade. Get a point guard.

Why would Boston want to make that deal? Salary dumping? Boston has a pretty good core. They just were hit by a lot of injuries this year. Depending on how they do in the playoffs I would think that they would want to bring that team back next year. They looked really good tonight and that was without Jaylen Brown.

[Am2626]

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Hardly any or none at all will actually enter open free agency. Moreover, goal number 1 is to convince Lavine to stay. It’s extremely likely that whatever money we have, gets spent this summer.

I think you're right, and my own (and other's before me) musings of 2022 being the plan are either offbase, or we've got a highly questionable FA plan. Yet isn't that the goal of the perpetual flexibility plan? Score the big free agents?

How does this flexibility philosophy ever work in this age of players determining rosters, and their own destinations - and when you're a team that's never going to be a destination compared to LA, NY, or Miami?

Yes, this is totally a poke since you are at, or near the pinnacle of the anti-Vuc-ers - but it's an honest question.

The Bulls can’t stand pat and not try and improve this roster over the summer with the hopes of landing a free agent star in 2022. We’ve seen how that has played out for the Bulls in the past. The only way that I can see that as an option is if the Bulls get a top 4 pick. Then they could sign a stop gap FA on a 1 year deal and hope that will be enough to have a strong season next year which would be able to attract a strong in 2022.

[Chi town]

Lowry would do for us what CP3 has done for the Suns.

[kulaz3000]

Lowry would do for us what CP3 has done for the Suns.

I don't know about that.

CP3 is a first ballot hall of famer, Lowry isn't quite in that same tier of player. A really good player no doubt, but he isn't on the same level.

That said, I do think he would have a great impact on the team, because he is a great leader. We would still need a really good quality backup at point if we get Lowry though, because he is often injured.

[Red8911]

Lowry would do for us what CP3 has done for the Suns.

He would be a good signing but he can also turn out to be another Wade when he signed for the bulls. They should still go for it though despite that risk. A 1 or 2 year deal would be ideal.

[Red8911]

I'm down with Lowry... Would love to see that happen but know it probably won't. Although I could see how AK could sell it to him.

We will probably end up with Lonzo though I'm starting to get on the TJ McConnel bandwagon...

My number 1 target that will never happen is still Malcolm Brogdon...

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This is about where I am. I’d prefer Lowry on a 2-year, high dollar deal to Lonzo on a 4-year, high dollar deal. But I imagine Lowry wants to contend and I think he’ll have similarly lucrative offers from better teams than the Bulls. I’m open to Lonzo, but not sold on the idea.

Don’t forget Bulls got a good roster right now including Zach/Vuc and also a coach players respect. I’m sure other players or free agents like Lowry would like the idea of coming to Chicago.

[Pax for Prez]

If NO keeps L. Ball (rest) what about a deal for Bledsoe + future 1st pick for Sato and Amin ? NO saves long term money in the deal.

Thoughts ??

[BullChit]

If NO keeps L. Ball (rest) what about a deal for Bledsoe + future 1st pick for Sato and Amin ? NO saves long term money in the deal.

Thoughts ??

Amin? Can we trade announcers... What's Stacey's Market Value?

[MalagaBulls]

Totally hypothetical scenario question. If you had a chance to put all your eggs in the FA basket for 2022 or 2023 and had room for 1 max contract would you:

1. Sign Beal next offseason to a max to pair up with Vooch & Zach?
2. Sign Doncic to rookie max in 2023 to pair up with Zach and a possibly resigned Vooch under a friendlier team contract?

Doncic without a question but it will never happen. No way Cuban loses him.

I know Doncic is a pipe dream but crazy things happen in sports all the time. A superstar´s total allegiance to a team/city/franchise can evaporate at the drop of a dime if they are not winning or sense that there is not enough commitment or progress to doing so.

[CoreyVillains]

I'd be happy to skip over Ball, and try to get back Derrick Rose and also sign TJ McConnell. And keep Coby off the bench as a combo guard for one more season, unless some team is willing to offer a pick for Coby.

This combo gives us exactly what I feel we need from the position. Dribble penetration, point of attack defense, and adequate playmaking. Im in.

[sco]

If NO keeps L. Ball (rest) what about a deal for Bledsoe + future 1st pick for Sato and Amin ? NO saves long term money in the deal.

Thoughts ??

Amin? Can we trade announcers... What's Stacey's Market Value?

Not sure where that 1st is, but Bledsoe is bad.

Amin - not a huge fan, way too much yucking it up.

[BahamaBull]

What would a trade for Rubio look like? Would the Wolves take Sato, Aminu and and 2nd round pick for him? I wouldn't give up a first rounder and I'm not sure we have any young players to give them. Rubio had a bad season, but might bounce back.

Spencer Dinwiddie might be interesting and might not be that expensive due to his injury. I just read that he hopes to come back this year (June), but we'll see if that really happens.

Thad straight up works

I could see Thad for Lonzo.

Zion gets a vet mentor.

And Thad gets to play home in New Orleans

[WindyCityBorn]

If NO keeps L. Ball (rest) what about a deal for Bledsoe + future 1st pick for Sato and Amin ? NO saves long term money in the deal.

Thoughts ??

No. Bledsoe is cooked.

[Repeat 3-peat]

There is a lot of smoke around Ball to Chicago. If he isn't a Bull, it would not be a case of 'lack of trying' on the Bulls end.

Probably a day one move during free agency.

[Dan Z]

Hardly any or none at all will actually enter open free agency. Moreover, goal number 1 is to convince Lavine to stay. It’s extremely likely that whatever money we have, gets spent this summer.

I think you're right, and my own (and other's before me) musings of 2022 being the plan are either offbase, or we've got a highly questionable FA plan. Yet isn't that the goal of the perpetual flexibility plan? Score the big free agents?

How does this flexibility philosophy ever work in this age of players determining rosters, and their own destinations - and when you're a team that's never going to be a destination compared to LA, NY, or Miami?

Yes, this is totally a poke since you are at, or near the pinnacle of the anti-Vuc-ers - but it's an honest question.

The Bulls can’t stand pat and not try and improve this roster over the summer with the hopes of landing a free agent star in 2022. We’ve seen how that has played out for the Bulls in the past. The only way that I can see that as an option is if the Bulls get a top 4 pick. Then they could sign a stop gap FA on a 1 year deal and hope that will be enough to have a strong season next year which would be able to attract a strong in 2022.

Who on that FA list will actually leave? Maybe Bradley Beal? Would Butler leave Miami if the team isn't looking so good?

I agree with you that the Bulls can't expect much from FA in 2022 and need to improve any way they can.

[drosestruts]

Not sure if the title of this thread is more a discussion around obtaining a point guard via free agency or trade OR a thread about free agency is general.

Either way this guy is not a point guard and probably isn't worth his own thread, but I was wondering how people here felt about DeMar Derozan. 20 points and 7 assists per game this past year. Can create his own shot, and gets to the line a lot (a weakness for us).

With Coby, Zach and Vuc all being good shooters and Pat Williams hopefully able to maintain his good percentage on an increase in volume I think we'd have enough shooters in our starting lineup to accommodate DeRozan's lack of shooting.

He'll be 32 so I know he's not providing any sort of long-term solution (which is part of the appeal for a guy like Lonzo), but I do feel he'd be a big boost to our team and would certainly ease the offense burden put on Zach.

[kodo]

My out there idea - Kemba Walker.

I think Boston would need to attach at least 1 pick.

Could a Sato + Lauri S&T for Kemba and BOS 2021 1st make some sense?

We recoup a pick from the Vuc trade. Get a point guard.

Why would Boston want to make that deal? Salary dumping? Boston has a pretty good core. They just were hit by a lot of injuries this year. Depending on how they do in the playoffs I would think that they would want to bring that team back next year. They looked really good tonight and that was without Jaylen Brown.

Kemba was rumored to be on the trade block at the deadline. The Boston Fansided proposed Kemba for Coby & Otto.
https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2021/03/14/boston-celtics-kemba-walker-trades-2/3/

Kemba is a volume scorer but he's not very efficient. At 55% TS he'd be one of the Bulls least efficient scorers. Coby isn't great, and he's 54%. Coby could improve, Kemba won't at 31. He'll more likely decline. A declining, often injured 54% TS scorer who will make $38M in 2023.

I think Walker could be traded for, I don't know if we really want him for the next few years. He generates the same assists as Lavine & Coby, so it's not like we're adding an elite playmaker to the mix. And isn't the worst part of Coby's game the defense? Kemba has real issues on D due to the knee injuries, height, and short wingspan.

[Wingy]

Hardly any or none at all will actually enter open free agency. Moreover, goal number 1 is to convince Lavine to stay. It’s extremely likely that whatever money we have, gets spent this summer.

I think you're right, and my own (and other's before me) musings of 2022 being the plan are either offbase, or we've got a highly questionable FA plan. Yet isn't that the goal of the perpetual flexibility plan? Score the big free agents?

How does this flexibility philosophy ever work in this age of players determining rosters, and their own destinations - and when you're a team that's never going to be a destination compared to LA, NY, or Miami?

Yes, this is totally a poke since you are at, or near the pinnacle of the anti-Vuc-ers - but it's an honest question.

I’m all about maintaining flexibility for free agency and the draft. And trades. We did the exact opposite in all three categories, is the problem.

But in order for it to work in the modern NBA you have to cash it in at the right time comprehensively or have something to sell, and someone to sell it to. We have very little to sell, and one guy to sell it to. And we sure as hell didn’t do a comprehensive all in win now overhaul.

Instead, barring some really good fortune, we opted for something that’s the worst of all worlds. Which in itself is pretty impressive.

The flexibility model sounds great in a vacuum, but the hard part is - when does that "right time" ever come up?

The modern NBA = top players picking where they want to go. If you're not on their list - all the cap space and picks in the world mean very, very little.

Without being the aforementioned NY, LA, Miami - you have to get somewhere, and/or have an awesome talent base before you can ever dream of cashing in on the flexibility. Coming from where we are - that translates to getting lucky in the draft multiple times, or getting a hidden gem to really blossom (e.g. - Randle) - and quite honestly - it might need both.

The draft-only flexibility strategy is what got us to where we were before the Vuc trade. We basically need another once in a decade Rose/Butler find. I suppose a couple more picks helps that happen faster...but it might not be for another 7 years til we draft that guy..and another several before they really, really show out. Of course, Zach walked 8 years ago by that time. Also, maybe that guy (if we even get him in the first place) is a new Zach Lavine-level player, and we can't pick or sign some other 2-way legit star, top 15 type. Then it's rinse and repeat the cycle. You may not like the picture I'm painting here, but it's just as likely as all the whoa is Vuc scenarios.

This is complete conjecture, but I think AK may not even see Vuc as the #2 guy...and he may not have any delusions about ever competing for a title w/this particular core. It may just be the start of his "program" with the Bulls. Make some noise. Be seen, and show we're trying to win. Be relevant in player minds again. Of course while we have Zach/Vuc, hope you get crazy lucky finding a gem, hitting on the picks we do have, etc.

[Michael Jackson]

There is a lot of smoke around Ball to Chicago. If he isn't a Bull, it would not be a case of 'lack of trying' on the Bulls end.

Probably a day one move during free agency.

Since the AD trade rumors there has been smoke around Ball to Chicago. This narrative has been pushed for sure predating AK. You have to wonder if that is his agent pushing it and maybe to NYK too, which is smart enough I guess. I don't think Ball solves much though. I mean I think he is OK and all and his position is one of need but he is not a big needle mover IMHO.