Is this anybody else's low point as a Bulls fan?

[cocktailswith_2short]

I'm actually optimistic. I'm always optimistic though so lol . But I believe we're heading in the right direction . This board moaned about the quality of this roster for years yet I see a nice mix of vets and a definite youth movement . Its not going to win a chip but it's in position to pivot easily and I legit like our young core . Health is this teams biggest foe .

[CBS7]

Its hard for it to be a low point if you just don't care that much anymore. More apathy than anything.

[kulaz3000]

I wouldn't say I'm at a low point, but more of a holding pattern, where I'm following the Bulls more at arms length currently.

I casually follow sports, but there is no sport I follow as closely as I do except the NBA, and the Bulls are far and away the only team in any sports I care about. But due to the incompetence of both ownership and management over the last decade or longer, it's really all starting to wear thin on my enthusiasm.

Again, I still follow the Bulls on a daily basis, I'm still invested, and I still come on the board to read everyone opinions and discussions, but I'm just a lot more ambivalent, where the wins and losses I could care less about, and I'm more waiting on a clear direction for this franchise before I can truly get back into the swing of things.

This is far and away the low point, the end of the dynasty, Derrick Rose's career being cut short, those were low points, this season is just more of the same to me.

[Howling Mad]

Post MJ era was expectedly low but most of us were prepared for it. After a couple years of that crap and still no progress, the Dalibor years were excruciating.

I thought we were going to have a decade of misery but the early 2k Bulls saved us. Lacking any real accomplishments but seeing the team crawl out of the dirt and watching players grow that were fun to root for was extremely rewarding as a fan. We were shanked of hope once DRose went down and painfully dragged through the mud with his rehab.

If Lonzo had not gotten injured and the AK era actually worked, I don't think we would have done any real damage in the playoffs against the big boys, but it would have been fun to watch. The reality of the AK era has been just as terrible as the Dalibor years despite having more wins.

[drosestruts]

Our 22-year-old point guard just posted a triple double

Our 24-year-old combo guard 2nd-round pick is scoring at the rim with equivalent efficiency of Ja Morant and Donovan Mitchell

Our 20-year-old rookie just notched his first 20-point game

Our 24-year-old center is averaging 19 & 13 per 36 with paint protection (2.5 stocks/36) while shooting 36.5% from 3

Our all-star shooting guard has returned from injury and picked right back up to playing at an All-star level as one of 3 players in the entire NBA scoring more than 20 points, dishing out more than 4 assists, while having a TS% above 60% (Jokic, Curry, Zach - that's the list)

Our 27 year old glue-guy extrodanairre has returned from what looked like a career-ending injury to fit right back in as the guy who makes everything click.

Even our washed up over the hill center is posting career best offensive numbers.

So no - this is far from the low point of being a Bulls fans. Get some perspective.

[Muzbar]

Our 22-year-old point guard just posted a triple double

Our 24-year-old combo guard 2nd-round pick is scoring at the rim with equivalent efficiency of Ja Morant and Donovan Mitchell

Our 20-year-old rookie just notched his first 20-point game

Our 24-year-old center is averaging 19 & 13 per 36 with paint protection (2.5 stocks/36) while shooting 36.5% from 3

Our all-star shooting guard has returned from injury and picked right back up to playing at an All-star level as one of 3 players in the entire NBA scoring more than 20 points, dishing out more than 4 assists, while having a TS% above 60% (Jokic, Curry, Zach - that's the list)

Our 27 year old glue-guy extrodanairre has returned from what looked like a career-ending injury to fit right back in as the guy who makes everything click.

Even our washed up over the hill center is posting career best offensive numbers.

So no - this is far from the low point of being a Bulls fans. Get some perspective.

OK so 2 of those points before yesterday were irrelevant.

It's great that Ayo is scoring well at the rim but he's been horrendous from 3 (27%)

I absolutely hate per 36 stats, it's a 'projection' stat that isn't accurate. But I agree Smith is playing well and I love it.

Whilst it's fantastic to see Lonzo back, he's played a total of 6 games out of the 21 so far, so that's not ideal.

Zach and Vuc playing well is great, helps up their trade value. Unless of course the Bulls decide to 'stay the course' as they've done the past 2-3 years, which has lead the Bulls nowhere and possibly resulting in another lost FRP.

There's a perspective.

[cocktailswith_2short]

This teams probably going to make the playoffs there's no way this is a bottom out low time as a fan . Yeah maybe there's a belief we're treadmilling but I think we're trending up and kudos to coach Donovan he's been spinning **** into diamonds for us and has adjusted his philosophy to meet the times . There's just no way this is a low point lol I remember the mercer years and the Eddie Robinson hype haha

[t-time]

Nothing will ever be as bad as the Larry Hughes era.

[jc23]

low point in my nba fandom.

[Wingy]

It’s evident to non-Bulls fans too…
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2421529

[cocktailswith_2short]

Gotta put a check on the 3 's . People are upset about it so it's coming . In what form is the big question .

[Stratmaster]

Gotta put a check on the 3 's . People are upset about it so it's coming . In what form is the big question .

It will happen right after the Bulls build their roster and offense around shooting 3's... which has already started of course.

[HomoSapien]

Someone mentioned that Fizer years as a low point. I really disagree with that. Even back then there was hope. There was hope that one of the young guys (Brand, Artest, Fizer, Crawford, Curry, Chandler) would become a franchise level player. There was also hope that we would luck into a great pick in the upcoming lottery. There was also still the belief that Krause was a genius and would figure it out.

Although Matas is intriguing, we don't have a young guy on this roster who feels like he might take a big leap and be a building block. Even a few years ago, we had Lauri and a younger Zach or Butler who was pretty close to being a franchise level piece. We just have a whole lot of nothing now.

I actually do believe Matas has the profile to make the leap to be a core 3 player on a contender. Not a #1 offensive option superstar, but as a multi-dimensional two-way stud who could be really impactful all over the court.

I think he’s the second most physically talented and unique player we’ve drafted since the Dynasty. Not that it’s a murderer’s row of competition, but still. He has a very high ceiling.

I'm also extremely high on him and I downplayed that in my post. But I guess "vibe wise" I feel like the hype and expectations around our past draft picks was bigger, which makes sense because Matas was the 7th pick in an extremely weak draft. Still, I'm optimistic about him. Despite already being pretty skilled, Matas has an absurd amount of raw ability. He might have the ability to quickly change the enthusiasm about the direction of this team. I'm looking forward to getting to that inevitable point in the season when he enters the staring line up and never leaves it again.

[cocktailswith_2short]

Someone mentioned that Fizer years as a low point. I really disagree with that. Even back then there was hope. There was hope that one of the young guys (Brand, Artest, Fizer, Crawford, Curry, Chandler) would become a franchise level player. There was also hope that we would luck into a great pick in the upcoming lottery. There was also still the belief that Krause was a genius and would figure it out.

Although Matas is intriguing, we don't have a young guy on this roster who feels like he might take a big leap and be a building block. Even a few years ago, we had Lauri and a younger Zach or Butler who was pretty close to being a franchise level piece. We just have a whole lot of nothing now.

I actually do believe Matas has the profile to make the leap to be a core 3 player on a contender. Not a #1 offensive option superstar, but as a multi-dimensional two-way stud who could be really impactful all over the court.

I think he’s the second most physically talented and unique player we’ve drafted since the Dynasty. Not that it’s a murderer’s row of competition, but still. He has a very high ceiling.

I'm also extremely high on him and I downplayed that in my post. But I guess "vibe wise" I feel like the hype and expectations around our past draft picks was bigger, which makes sense because Matas was the 7th pick in an extremely weak draft. Still, I'm optimistic about him. Despite already being pretty skilled, Matas has an absurd amount of raw ability. He might have the ability to quickly change the enthusiasm about the direction of this team. I'm looking forward to getting to that inevitable point in the season when he enters the staring line up and never leaves it again.

Matas went 11

[Stratmaster]

I actually do believe Matas has the profile to make the leap to be a core 3 player on a contender. Not a #1 offensive option superstar, but as a multi-dimensional two-way stud who could be really impactful all over the court.

I think he’s the second most physically talented and unique player we’ve drafted since the Dynasty. Not that it’s a murderer’s row of competition, but still. He has a very high ceiling.

I'm also extremely high on him and I downplayed that in my post. But I guess "vibe wise" I feel like the hype and expectations around our past draft picks was bigger, which makes sense because Matas was the 7th pick in an extremely weak draft. Still, I'm optimistic about him. Despite already being pretty skilled, Matas has an absurd amount of raw ability. He might have the ability to quickly change the enthusiasm about the direction of this team. I'm looking forward to getting to that inevitable point in the season when he enters the staring line up and never leaves it again.

Matas went 11

I also doubt that history will consider the last draft extremely weak.

[HomoSapien]

I actually do believe Matas has the profile to make the leap to be a core 3 player on a contender. Not a #1 offensive option superstar, but as a multi-dimensional two-way stud who could be really impactful all over the court.

I think he’s the second most physically talented and unique player we’ve drafted since the Dynasty. Not that it’s a murderer’s row of competition, but still. He has a very high ceiling.

I'm also extremely high on him and I downplayed that in my post. But I guess "vibe wise" I feel like the hype and expectations around our past draft picks was bigger, which makes sense because Matas was the 7th pick in an extremely weak draft. Still, I'm optimistic about him. Despite already being pretty skilled, Matas has an absurd amount of raw ability. He might have the ability to quickly change the enthusiasm about the direction of this team. I'm looking forward to getting to that inevitable point in the season when he enters the staring line up and never leaves it again.

Matas went 11

Whoops, that's right. I'm just so used to us having the 7th pick.

[GoBlue72391]

Nothing will ever be as bad as the Larry Hughes era.

The Hughes and Gooden duo was legendary.

[DuckIII]

So no - this is far from the low point of being a Bulls fans. Get some perspective.

Or broaden your own to bigger notions of success.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Our 22-year-old point guard just posted a triple double

Our 24-year-old combo guard 2nd-round pick is scoring at the rim with equivalent efficiency of Ja Morant and Donovan Mitchell

Our 20-year-old rookie just notched his first 20-point game

Our 24-year-old center is averaging 19 & 13 per 36 with paint protection (2.5 stocks/36) while shooting 36.5% from 3

Our all-star shooting guard has returned from injury and picked right back up to playing at an All-star level as one of 3 players in the entire NBA scoring more than 20 points, dishing out more than 4 assists, while having a TS% above 60% (Jokic, Curry, Zach - that's the list)

Our 27 year old glue-guy extrodanairre has returned from what looked like a career-ending injury to fit right back in as the guy who makes everything click.

Even our washed up over the hill center is posting career best offensive numbers.

So no - this is far from the low point of being a Bulls fans. Get some perspective.

you know guys average a triple double over the course of an entire season now, right? that half the league averages 20 ppg? that 19/13 per 36 aren't even good numbers? has Jalen even played 36 minutes all season? that the 'all-star' shooting guard is making $45mil a year, 30% of the cap, and hasn't been an all-star in going on three years? I wasn't even going to respond to the Lonzo remark, but I'm editing my post just to write "I wasn't even going to respond to the Lonzo remark".

these cherry-picked stats are pretty funny and I reckon you're making the opposite point of the one you think you're making. I admire the optimism at least, but these 'highs' are only 'high' if you're 'high'.

[Stratmaster]

Our 22-year-old point guard just posted a triple double

Our 24-year-old combo guard 2nd-round pick is scoring at the rim with equivalent efficiency of Ja Morant and Donovan Mitchell

Our 20-year-old rookie just notched his first 20-point game

Our 24-year-old center is averaging 19 & 13 per 36 with paint protection (2.5 stocks/36) while shooting 36.5% from 3

Our all-star shooting guard has returned from injury and picked right back up to playing at an All-star level as one of 3 players in the entire NBA scoring more than 20 points, dishing out more than 4 assists, while having a TS% above 60% (Jokic, Curry, Zach - that's the list)

Our 27 year old glue-guy extrodanairre has returned from what looked like a career-ending injury to fit right back in as the guy who makes everything click.

Even our washed up over the hill center is posting career best offensive numbers.

So no - this is far from the low point of being a Bulls fans. Get some perspective.

you know guys average a triple double over the course of an entire season now, right? that half the league averages 20 ppg? that 19/13 per 36 aren't even good numbers? has Jalen even played 36 minutes all season? that the 'all-star' shooting guard is making $45mil a year, 30% of the cap, and hasn't been an all-star in going on three years? I wasn't even going to respond to the Lonzo remark, but I'm editing my post just to write "I wasn't even going to respond to the Lonzo remark".

these cherry-picked stats are pretty funny and I reckon you're making the opposite point of the one you think you're making. I admire the optimism at least, but these 'highs' are only 'high' if you're 'high'.

That all-star Guard is having the best season of his career by all objective and subjective measures other than PPG. You are choosing to use a season where he barely played, and when he was playing was playing hurt. Who is cherry picking?

How many players average triple doubles for a season and who are they? Is that your standard for assessing Josh Giddey?