Bulls @ Raptors 6:30pm CT Jan. 31 2025

[Dan Z]

Most believe that rebuilding without a plan is the way to go.

I doubt that's true. Most people who want to rebuild also want to do it with a plan.

The current plan hasn't been working.

Most people want a trade for a trade. I am going by what they post.


I have watched numerous rebuilds that end in disappointment.

What would you like the front office to do? Continue what they've been doing?

Meaning miss the playoffs three years in a row (if you count this one too).

[Indomitable]

I don't know, Scottie Barnes just doesn't look like a $54M player to me.
He's a year older than Giddey.

You mean per year? He'll make 41, 44, 47 and 53 after this season, but you're close.

Last year he played better, but his three point shot regressed. I wonder what happened?

Another question I have is: Was trading Siakam the right decision?

Barnes and their sf hurt each other. They are trying to occupy the same space.

[WindyCityBorn]

Another strong game from Giddey. Love it when he scores efficiently in mid to high teens and stuffs the stat sheet.

[sco]

Good to see some of the line-ups I've been wanting to see. The chemistry is fun to see.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I don't know, Scottie Barnes just doesn't look like a $54M player to me.
He's a year older than Giddey.

You mean per year? He'll make 41, 44, 47 and 53 after this season, but you're close.

Last year he played better, but his three point shot regressed. I wonder what happened?

Another question I have is: Was trading Siakam the right decision?

Barnes and their sf hurt each other. They are trying to occupy the same space.

In a way they are almost replicating it because RJ isn't a shooter. He is a slasher/scorer. So in a way someone is still occupying the same space as Barnes.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't know, Scottie Barnes just doesn't look like a $54M player to me.
He's a year older than Giddey.

You mean per year? He'll make 41, 44, 47 and 53 after this season, but you're close.

Last year he played better, but his three point shot regressed. I wonder what happened?

Another question I have is: Was trading Siakam the right decision?

Barnes and their sf hurt each other. They are trying to occupy the same space.

Barnes will never be a real star. A big that inefficient is a negative.

[Indomitable]

I doubt that's true. Most people who want to rebuild also want to do it with a plan.

The current plan hasn't been working.

Most people want a trade for a trade. I am going by what they post.


I have watched numerous rebuilds that end in disappointment.

What would you like the front office to do? Continue what they've been doing?

Meaning miss the playoffs three years in a row (if you count this one too).

Trade for rim protection or make trades that gets you value.

I am not for trading for crap or hoping we keep the pick. We are not going to keep it.

Let's be honest most teams have no chance of winning the championship. I just desire watching a team that actually is not embarrassing to watch.

[Indomitable]

You mean per year? He'll make 41, 44, 47 and 53 after this season, but you're close.

Last year he played better, but his three point shot regressed. I wonder what happened?

Another question I have is: Was trading Siakam the right decision?

Barnes and their sf hurt each other. They are trying to occupy the same space.

Barnes will never be a real star. A big that inefficient is a negative.

He is not helped by the personnel surrounding him. He is a player trying find his fit.

[Dan Z]

Most people want a trade for a trade. I am going by what they post.


I have watched numerous rebuilds that end in disappointment.

What would you like the front office to do? Continue what they've been doing?

Meaning miss the playoffs three years in a row (if you count this one too).

Trade for rim protection or make trades that gets you value.

I am not for trading for crap or hoping we keep the pick. We are not going to keep it.

Let's be honest most teams have no chance of winning the championship. I just desire watching a team that actually is not embarrassing to watch.

So you just want a play-in or low playoff level team and you're okay with that?

I'd prefer a front office that is building towards a more competitive team, even if they don't get there.

I have no idea what trades have been offered and I don't think anyone here wants the front office to make bad trades. Many people want to rebuild and if that means you trade a player for neutral value (to move on to the next iteration of the team) then that might make sense. It doesn't make sense to keep expecting a haul for a player that will never be there.

[Muzbar]

What would you like the front office to do? Continue what they've been doing?

Meaning miss the playoffs three years in a row (if you count this one too).

Trade for rim protection or make trades that gets you value.

I am not for trading for crap or hoping we keep the pick. We are not going to keep it.

Let's be honest most teams have no chance of winning the championship. I just desire watching a team that actually is not embarrassing to watch.

So you just want a play-in or low playoff level team and you're okay with that?

I'd prefer a front office that is building towards a more competitive team, even if they don't get there.

I have no idea what trades have been offered and I don't think anyone here wants the front office to make bad trades. Many people want to rebuild and if that means you trade a player for neutral value (to move on to the next iteration of the team) then that might make sense. It doesn't make sense to keep expecting a haul for a player that will never be there.

There's a good amount that are just happy with a couple of wins here and there, obviously love the treadmill.

Some folks are just fine with coasting by, so long as they're entertained.

[2weekswithpay]

I don't know, Scottie Barnes just doesn't look like a $54M player to me.
He's a year older than Giddey.

You mean per year? He'll make 41, 44, 47 and 53 after this season, but you're close.

Last year he played better, but his three point shot regressed. I wonder what happened?

Another question I have is: Was trading Siakam the right decision?

Barnes and Siakam overlap too much IMO. If I were in their position I wouldn't want to pay Barnes, Siakam, and Quickley at the same time.

[Indomitable]

Trade for rim protection or make trades that gets you value.

I am not for trading for crap or hoping we keep the pick. We are not going to keep it.

Let's be honest most teams have no chance of winning the championship. I just desire watching a team that actually is not embarrassing to watch.

So you just want a play-in or low playoff level team and you're okay with that?

I'd prefer a front office that is building towards a more competitive team, even if they don't get there.

I have no idea what trades have been offered and I don't think anyone here wants the front office to make bad trades. Many people want to rebuild and if that means you trade a player for neutral value (to move on to the next iteration of the team) then that might make sense. It doesn't make sense to keep expecting a haul for a player that will never be there.

There's a good amount that are just happy with a couple of wins here and there, obviously love the treadmill.

Some folks are just fine with coasting by, so long as they're entertained.

Tell me how we are going build this title contender.


After 25 years of falling short I would rather watch a team that is fun. A team that plays hard.

If Matas is part of the success that is what helps me enjoy the game.

The Bulls will not keep their pick.

[kodo]

I don't know, Scottie Barnes just doesn't look like a $54M player to me.
He's a year older than Giddey.

You mean per year? He'll make 41, 44, 47 and 53 after this season, but you're close.

Last year he played better, but his three point shot regressed. I wonder what happened?

Another question I have is: Was trading Siakam the right decision?

He signed a $270M / 5 year extension, was just taking $270/5 = $54M

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/scottie-barnes-contract-raptors-forward-becomes-highest-paid-player-in-team-history-with-new-deal-per-report/

Toronto Raptors All-Star forward Scottie Barnes intends to sign a rookie max extension worth up to $270 million over five years, per Adrian Wojnarowski.

[Dan Z]

So you just want a play-in or low playoff level team and you're okay with that?

I'd prefer a front office that is building towards a more competitive team, even if they don't get there.

I have no idea what trades have been offered and I don't think anyone here wants the front office to make bad trades. Many people want to rebuild and if that means you trade a player for neutral value (to move on to the next iteration of the team) then that might make sense. It doesn't make sense to keep expecting a haul for a player that will never be there.

There's a good amount that are just happy with a couple of wins here and there, obviously love the treadmill.

Some folks are just fine with coasting by, so long as they're entertained.

Tell me how we are going build this title contender.


After 25 years of falling short I would rather watch a team that is fun. A team that plays hard.

If Matas is part of the success that is what helps me enjoy the game.

The Bulls will not keep their pick.

The Bulls are currently on pace to win 35 games.

Last year they won 39 and got the 11th pick. Even if they don't lean into a tank they might still get to keep their pick.

[Dan Z]

I don't know, Scottie Barnes just doesn't look like a $54M player to me.
He's a year older than Giddey.

You mean per year? He'll make 41, 44, 47 and 53 after this season, but you're close.

Last year he played better, but his three point shot regressed. I wonder what happened?

Another question I have is: Was trading Siakam the right decision?

He signed a $270M / 5 year extension, was just taking $270/5 = $54M

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/scottie-barnes-contract-raptors-forward-becomes-highest-paid-player-in-team-history-with-new-deal-per-report/

Toronto Raptors All-Star forward Scottie Barnes intends to sign a rookie max extension worth up to $270 million over five years, per Adrian Wojnarowski.

I agree that it's a lot of money. NBA contracts are crazy.

Toronto has good players, but it's just not working.

[Bulliever2020]

that Pat dunk and staredown has to be in his top 5 plays ever

different player since coming off the bench

[Muzbar]

So you just want a play-in or low playoff level team and you're okay with that?

I'd prefer a front office that is building towards a more competitive team, even if they don't get there.

I have no idea what trades have been offered and I don't think anyone here wants the front office to make bad trades. Many people want to rebuild and if that means you trade a player for neutral value (to move on to the next iteration of the team) then that might make sense. It doesn't make sense to keep expecting a haul for a player that will never be there.

There's a good amount that are just happy with a couple of wins here and there, obviously love the treadmill.

Some folks are just fine with coasting by, so long as they're entertained.

Tell me how we are going build this title contender.


After 25 years of falling short I would rather watch a team that is fun. A team that plays hard.

If Matas is part of the success that is what helps me enjoy the game.

The Bulls will not keep their pick.

By building a foundation and developing that talent. Then once you've got that in place bring in vets to help mentor and mature that talent.

The Rockets are a great example.

I want something to look forward other than perpetual play-in appearances.

[DrModesty]

I don't know, Scottie Barnes just doesn't look like a $54M player to me.
He's a year older than Giddey.

You mean per year? He'll make 41, 44, 47 and 53 after this season, but you're close.

Last year he played better, but his three point shot regressed. I wonder what happened?

Another question I have is: Was trading Siakam the right decision?

He signed a $270M / 5 year extension, was just taking $270/5 = $54M

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/scottie-barnes-contract-raptors-forward-becomes-highest-paid-player-in-team-history-with-new-deal-per-report/

Toronto Raptors All-Star forward Scottie Barnes intends to sign a rookie max extension worth up to $270 million over five years, per Adrian Wojnarowski.

The Barnes contract was $224 with the chance to go up to $270 if he made all nba (which hasn't/won't)

[pipfan]

One of our best games, solid all around. Great to see Matas and PWill play well.

I hope White can put another few solid games together, then we deal him. I don't want to keep both he and Giddy, and I want the one that stays to be the 6th man

[jordanwilliams6]

I will say that I like lineups where Pat & Matas play with another big. It makes us a little bit bigger and those guys can be interchangeable on offense & defense.

If we’re going to keep Pat, I’d rather keep exploring that combination in the short term.