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Post#61 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:41 pm

It’s shame we have no chance at extending him this Summer. If plays like this next season he will possibly get a bigger deal than Giddey.
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Post#62 » by rosenthall » Mon Mar 24, 2025 4:26 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:It’s shame we have no chance at extending him this Summer. If plays like this next season he will possibly get a bigger deal than Giddey.


If you search on stathead for guys who are scoring at least as much as Coby on his efficiency or better you get this list: https://stathead.com/tiny/qxJOv

In order of PPG, descending:

- Shai
- Ant
- Brunson
- Booker
- Lilliard
- Irving
- Curry
- Herro
- Norm Powell
- Lavine
- Darius Garland
- Coby

9 of those guys are on max contracts, but only 5 of them (Shai, Ant, Brunson, Booker, Curry) are truly worth it. The others are problematic on their deals, IMO. I think Coby is definitely at the bottom half of guys on that list, so overpaying him would be a big mistake. Having non-max guys on max-contracts seems like the biggest sin you can commit with the current CBA.

But there's almost no precedent for someone of Coby's output not getting a decent contract. If he carries his play over to next year, re-signing him for 30 M / year would be a decent outcome.
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Post#63 » by Mbrahv0528 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 4:40 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:It’s shame we have no chance at extending him this Summer. If plays like this next season he will possibly get a bigger deal than Giddey.
There's no shot we don't retain Coby.

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Post#64 » by kodo » Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:14 pm

Chi town wrote:AK will run it back with our pick. Hopefully he sends Vuc out and he gears up for a trade at next years deadline. Ideally we have POR pick and ours to add another piece to Giddey Coby Buz via trade.

You know AK will NOT be patient. He will make another Vuc trade to speed it up.


I wouldn't be surprised if AK trades our pick at the draft for a veteran.
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Post#65 » by ChettheJet » Mon Mar 24, 2025 6:07 pm

I just remain skeptical. He finished last season strong while Zach Lavine was injured even though the Bulls weren't exactly winners. He's finishing up this year strong since the departure of Lavine and several guards being injured, check the record. What I don't have is the ability to see into the future Objectively. Has Coby finished these last two years strong because some doors opened for him? How is he going to play when either Lonzo, Ayo and Giddey are all healthy, Huerter gets 12 more games to know everybody else or if the Bulls trade some of that group and Coby is without players he's leveled up around?

I am stuck looking at the full season numbers. The wins, the losses not the stretch of 20+ games to finish the year but the stats everybody compiled over the long 82 game season. Can Coby provide these 20 game numbers for an entire season? Plus the draft, trades, FAs changing the rotation and roster

Then is there another team that sees Coby as a top level SG and is willing to make the Bulls an offer for an expiring contract that offers the possibility of making the Bulls better? Yeah Coby is our guy, the guys come and go don't ignore what he might bring in return because you love him right now.
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Post#66 » by SHO'NUFF » Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:03 pm

I don’t know... Maybe he finally figured out that he doesn’t need to keep jacking three’s to score in this league. He had a nice midrange game coming in & now realized he can be efficient offensively by slashing & getting to the line. He worked hard on his handles….glad he’s putting it to use. I was ready to move on with Coby early in the year & now I like what time seeing. I just hope he doesn’t fall too much in love with the three & stick to what’s working.
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Post#67 » by 2weekswithpay » Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:13 pm

ChettheJet wrote:I just remain skeptical. He finished last season strong while Zach Lavine was injured even though the Bulls weren't exactly winners. He's finishing up this year strong since the departure of Lavine and several guards being injured, check the record. What I don't have is the ability to see into the future Objectively. Has Coby finished these last two years strong because some doors opened for him? How is he going to play when either Lonzo, Ayo and Giddey are all healthy, Huerter gets 12 more games to know everybody else or if the Bulls trade some of that group and Coby is without players he's leveled up around?

I am stuck looking at the full season numbers. The wins, the losses not the stretch of 20+ games to finish the year but the stats everybody compiled over the long 82 game season. Can Coby provide these 20 game numbers for an entire season? Plus the draft, trades, FAs changing the rotation and roster

Then is there another team that sees Coby as a top level SG and is willing to make the Bulls an offer for an expiring contract that offers the possibility of making the Bulls better? Yeah Coby is our guy, the guys come and go don't ignore what he might bring in return because you love him right now.


Last year Coby's pre-ASB numbers were better. 20/5/5/ on 59% TS Pre ASB vs 18/4/5 on 52% TS Post ASB.

Tre Jones has the ball more than both Lonzo and Ayo and Coby hasn't had any problems playing with him.
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Wow, Tied with Artis and better than Zach. And we're near the end of March. Is there a shot for player of the month?
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Is this one of those things where Coby won it once and MJ won it 478 times? :lol:
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Post#73 » by dougthonus » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:03 pm

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WindyCityBorn wrote:It’s shame we have no chance at extending him this Summer. If plays like this next season he will possibly get a bigger deal than Giddey.
There's no shot we don't retain Coby.


In a rational world, there sure as heck is a good chance we don't keep Coby. Another team could offer Coby 4/212M after next season, and he's unrestricted so can do whatever he wants. We will only keep Coby if we are the high bidder, and we should make a rational choice on whether to be the high bidder or not.

If someone else looks at Coby and says, yes, this guy is a 53M per year player, then I sure hope that we'd lose Coby, and that's the risk with having an unrestricted free agent that you probably can't extend even if you offer them the max extension.
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Is this one of those things where Coby won it once and MJ won it 478 times? :lol:


Believe it or not, MJ won the award just 23 times. Though the NBA did not pick 2 players from separate conferences until 2002
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Is this one of those things where Coby won it once and MJ won it 478 times? :lol:


Believe it or not, MJ won the award just 23 times. Though the NBA did not pick 2 players from separate conferences until 2002


Actually its 25 & he was player of the month 16 times. which i beleive was the most all time when he retired.
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Post#76 » by sco » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:26 pm

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Mbrahv0528 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:It’s shame we have no chance at extending him this Summer. If plays like this next season he will possibly get a bigger deal than Giddey.
There's no shot we don't retain Coby.


In a rational world, there sure as heck is a good chance we don't keep Coby. Another team could offer Coby 4/212M after next season, and he's unrestricted so can do whatever he wants. We will only keep Coby if we are the high bidder, and we should make a rational choice on whether to be the high bidder or not.

If someone else looks at Coby and says, yes, this guy is a 53M per year player, then I sure hope that we'd lose Coby, and that's the risk with having an unrestricted free agent that you probably can't extend even if you offer them the max extension.

Sure, but stepping back just a couple months, I would have told anyone to his face that he's a moron for even thinking such a thing was possible. Good problem to have!
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Post#77 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:32 pm

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Is this one of those things where Coby won it once and MJ won it 478 times? :lol:


Believe it or not, MJ won the award just 23 times. Though the NBA did not pick 2 players from separate conferences until 2002


NBA tends to give out charity awards. Jordan should have 8 or 9 league MVPs.
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Post#78 » by Repeat 3-peat » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:32 pm

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Is this one of those things where Coby won it once and MJ won it 478 times? :lol:


Believe it or not, MJ won the award just 23 times. Though the NBA did not pick 2 players from separate conferences until 2002


Actually its 25 & he was player of the month 16 times. which i beleive was the most all time when he retired.


Okay 25 total, won it 23x in Chicago.
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Post#79 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:34 pm

sco wrote:
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Mbrahv0528 wrote:There's no shot we don't retain Coby.


In a rational world, there sure as heck is a good chance we don't keep Coby. Another team could offer Coby 4/212M after next season, and he's unrestricted so can do whatever he wants. We will only keep Coby if we are the high bidder, and we should make a rational choice on whether to be the high bidder or not.

If someone else looks at Coby and says, yes, this guy is a 53M per year player, then I sure hope that we'd lose Coby, and that's the risk with having an unrestricted free agent that you probably can't extend even if you offer them the max extension.

Sure, but stepping back just a couple months, I would have told anyone to his face that he's a moron for even thinking such a thing was possible. Good problem to have!


If Coby averages 25 ppg next season AND we win(say around 50 games) then yeah I’ll entertain it.
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Post#80 » by dougthonus » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:35 pm

sco wrote:Sure, but stepping back just a couple months, I would have told anyone to his face that he's a moron for even thinking such a thing was possible. Good problem to have!


I don't think it's a good problem to have to be forced into being the high bidder on a player you like that is less than a max guy but is unrestricted and young enough that it's likely a team will overbid because there aren't many young UFAs in his skill range.

The situation is highly likely to yield a very toxic contract.

It's a good problem to have if we trade him this off-season and capitalize on the value, but we won't do that. We'll instead most likely just go the "we'll be the high bidder" route which is also the route we will go on with Giddey, and we will be wondering in 2 years why we are up against the tax again with a team struggling to make 41 wins.

But in the end, these are the outcomes of past decisions not made more so than anything in particular with these players. The continued try to win now approach without acquiring depth of assets or increased future assets is what is ultimately the problem. It's good that Giddey/Coby are playing well (better than if they weren't for sure) but ultimately unlikely to yield any advantage given we'll likely end up overpaying both and don't a likely source of other cheap quality players to offset the extra spend here.
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