Building around Coby-Giddey-Matas

[waffle]

We have too many players. We have 2 highish picks. That's 2 more bodies. Without some consolidating trades we don't have that much flexibility going into next year

The way I think about it is players we know are here next year, including likelihood for being traded

WILL BE HERE
Matas
Ball
Pwill
Smith
Terry
Phillips

PROBABLY will be here
Collins - we need bigs he is under contract he's GOOD...
White - you ABSOLUTELY could see the logic of trading white, but again, AK likes his own toys best
Ayo - Should make the team. Cheap flexible plays D

That's already 9 bodies!

50/50 IFFY
Vuch - Probably 50/50 at season's start
Huerter - like him but he's tradable
Tre Jones - HOPE TO HECK they sign him

So there are potentially 2 or 3 MORE BODIES

So that's already a pretty packed roster, not a winning roster.

Oh yeah, 2 high draft picks. AK doesn't seem to value picks that much? But there is the potential for 2 more bodies

Now....Giddey. History would suggest AK will just sign him. He likes his own toys better than the next kids toys. The logical thing would be to let him get an offer....but that offer could be SIGNIFICANT... big big big

That is alot of potential bodies.

Yes, they will probably try to move Vuch. I could see a package of picks, Vuch and another decent body or 2 for a big. Not naming names. And if it were a 3 for 1 or thereabouts that wouldn't be a bad thing

Without a consolidating trade even if Giddey goes elsewhere we still have lots and lots of bodies that will likely already be on the roster.

And part of the worry here is that AK has not shown he has a clue on how to build a roster. It's very worrying

[DuckIII]

I'm just going to say: please have these guys show up in October, before you call them the core.

They're playing very well right now, and it's a significantly better style of play than yesteryears... But this would not be the first time in NBA history (particularly post-MJ Bulls era) where young guys catch some crazy heat in March and fall right back to earth after the off-season, when the whole league is prepared to win games and not tank away.

Giddey is shooting over 50% from the arc since Feb-2. Bless the fella if it continues, but... TRADITIONALLY, all such freak highs fall back to earth (especially after big contract extensions). Utah Lauri and Super Niko, amongst others.

The decision on them as a core for next will be made before October though because of Giddey. The organization unfortunately can’t wait.

White and Matas they have more time with. But Giddey is really the key piece that will drive the rest of the roster building decisions because of his unique strengths and weaknesses and the fact he will have the ball.

[coldfish]

I really don’t look at Giddey-Coby-Matas as a core of anything special. The Bulls basically might have the complementary pieces needed for a good team but you still need the core piece.

Basically if you add Jokic or a healthy Embiid to this group you might be talking about something.

I have no idea how you get an elite 4 or 5 but that’s what you have to do. Maybe trade up in the draft and hope to hit the jackpot?

[DuckIII]

We have too many players. We have 2 highish picks. That's 2 more bodies. Without some consolidating trades we don't have that much flexibility going into next year

The way I think about it is players we know are here next year, including likelihood for being traded

WILL BE HERE
Matas
Ball
Pwill
Smith
Terry
Phillips

PROBABLY will be here
Collins - we need bigs he is under contract he's GOOD...
White - you ABSOLUTELY could see the logic of trading white, but again, AK likes his own toys best
Ayo - Should make the team. Cheap flexible plays D

Why are scrubs like Terry and Phillips listed as “will be here” whereas Ayo, who plays 30 mpg and is under contract next season for only $7 mil, is labeled as a maybe who “should make the team”?

If we’re worried our roster is overcrowded (I don’t think it is), just waive those two dudes.

[DuckIII]

I really don’t look at Giddey-Coby-Matas as a core of anything special. The Bulls basically might have the complementary pieces needed for a good team but you still need the core piece.

Basically if you add Jokic or a healthy Embiid to this group you might be talking about something.

I have no idea how you get an elite 4 or 5 but that’s what you have to do. Maybe trade up in the draft and hope to hit the jackpot?

I don’t think (hardly) anyone really disagrees that this “core” lacks the much needed franchise star. But it’s rhetorical core we are pretty clearly going to start with.

And given the last couple of months it’s hard to say it’s the wrong thing to do as a first step forward. Just don’t rush it.

That said, trading Coby while his value is super high is very much on the table for me.

[waffle]

I agree on Phillips and Terry but they are cheap and under contract and moderately useful you need bodies like that.

They both REALISTICALLY will be on this team

[waffle]

They both will be on the team. They aren't even valuable as trade pieces.

[waffle]

And I love Ayo but could see him traded or as part of a trade. He has actual value.

[waffle]

And I love Ayo but could see him traded or as part of a trade. He has actual value.

I included "LIKELIHOOD of being traded" as part of the consideration and that applies to Ayo. Heck, I have WHITE in that category for that reason

If it were a list of whom I wanted here it would be different

[coldfish]

I really don’t look at Giddey-Coby-Matas as a core of anything special. The Bulls basically might have the complementary pieces needed for a good team but you still need the core piece.

Basically if you add Jokic or a healthy Embiid to this group you might be talking about something.

I have no idea how you get an elite 4 or 5 but that’s what you have to do. Maybe trade up in the draft and hope to hit the jackpot?

I don’t think (hardly) anyone really disagrees that this “core” lacks the much needed franchise star. But it’s rhetorical core we are pretty clearly going to start with.

And given the last couple of months it’s hard to say it’s the wrong thing to do as a first step forward. Just don’t rush it.

That said, trading Coby while his value is super high is very much on the table for me.

Yeah, I don’t look at any of these guys as untouchable. I would trade all three of them for Flagg to be honest.

Fact is, the team that gets #1 wouldn’t and that shows you the true value of this core.

I don’t want to be too negative here though. The team is in a significantly better place than I thought it was and they have some flexibility now. Just ONE good move could turn this into a 50 win team.

[DuckIII]

I agree on Phillips and Terry but they are cheap and under contract and moderately useful you need bodies like that.

They both REALISTICALLY will be on this team

And Ayo is cheap and under contract and significantly better than “moderately useful”.

I also don’t find either Terry or Phillips to be even moderately useful. Both could just as easily be out of the NBA as being in it.

[DuckIII]

I really don’t look at Giddey-Coby-Matas as a core of anything special. The Bulls basically might have the complementary pieces needed for a good team but you still need the core piece.

Basically if you add Jokic or a healthy Embiid to this group you might be talking about something.

I have no idea how you get an elite 4 or 5 but that’s what you have to do. Maybe trade up in the draft and hope to hit the jackpot?

I don’t think (hardly) anyone really disagrees that this “core” lacks the much needed franchise star. But it’s rhetorical core we are pretty clearly going to start with.

And given the last couple of months it’s hard to say it’s the wrong thing to do as a first step forward. Just don’t rush it.

That said, trading Coby while his value is super high is very much on the table for me.

Yeah, I don’t look at any of these guys as untouchable. I would trade all three of them for Flagg to be honest.

Me too. I would always trade an entire roster of non-franchise players for a prospect who appears to be very likely to be one. Flagg qualifies. But he’s a list of 1 for me in this draft on that front.

[Chi town]

I agree on Phillips and Terry but they are cheap and under contract and moderately useful you need bodies like that.

They both REALISTICALLY will be on this team

As DNP out of the rotation players.

[ShouldaPaidBG]

I agree on Phillips and Terry but they are cheap and under contract and moderately useful you need bodies like that.

They both REALISTICALLY will be on this team

As DNP out of the rotation players.

Ya on our perfectly healthy Bulls team where nobody ever gets injured

[Chi town]

It’s pretty clean AK’s 9-10 good players in their new style of running for 4 quarters and “attacking teams on a back to back” is his version of playing to build an advantage. He said during the in game interview those are the players he’s looking for.

IMO that becomes a perennial playoff team without enough juice to deliver in the clutch during the playoffs.

However, if Coby and Giddey do become these FT machines that changes quite a bit. Bulls are the worst FT rate team in the league. Buz looks like he will be able to draw fouls too.

None of these 3 look like 1s but if I squint I can now see 2s and 3s for a contender. Before all we say was 4-8th best player talent on our team.

Last outlier is an elite defensive C. If we got an Allen or Gobert that could fly up and down the court for lobs and blocks it makes me wonder if that could be a multiplier for winning for this team and put them over the top into future contender.

[sco]

I agree on Phillips and Terry but they are cheap and under contract and moderately useful you need bodies like that.

They both REALISTICALLY will be on this team

As DNP out of the rotation players.

Ya on our perfectly healthy Bulls team where nobody ever gets injured

One or the other may have some value...I'd happily throw them into a deal to get Carter off the books.

[Chi town]

I agree on Phillips and Terry but they are cheap and under contract and moderately useful you need bodies like that.

They both REALISTICALLY will be on this team

As DNP out of the rotation players.

Ya on our perfectly healthy Bulls team where nobody ever gets injured

Exactly. Chicago, where 3rd stringers get starts due to injury.

[Chi town]

As DNP out of the rotation players.

Ya on our perfectly healthy Bulls team where nobody ever gets injured

One or the other may have some value...I'd happily throw them into a deal to get Carter off the books.

I think Carter will stay as expiring filler in AKs big 2026 TDL deal.

[waffle]

sure phillips or Terry could be a contract throw in for a trade...but realistically which would you want in a trade? One of them or Ayo? I'd take AYO 10 times out of 10.

You don't have to like Terry or Phillips but realistically they will probably both be on the team next year. Just the way it is

[sco]

sure phillips or Terry could be a contract throw in for a trade...but realistically which would you want in a trade? One of them or Ayo? I'd take AYO 10 times out of 10.

You don't have to like Terry or Phillips but realistically they will probably both be on the team next year. Just the way it is

Sure. Ayo 10/10, but it's a question of how much we have to "pay" to be rid of Carter and Vuc.

I wonder if folks would be willing to add Ayo to Vuc in order to have a team send us nothing back? I wouldn't, but it's close.