Bulls re-sign Josh Giddey - 4/100- no options, fully guaranteed

[kulaz3000]

Now what are the other moves the Bulls going to make this off season if any?

[Muzbar]

Now what are the other moves the Bulls going to make this off season if any?

Do training camp deals count? Because that's all you're going to see (if at all).

The Bulls are at roster capacity, I don't see any clever 2-for-1 trades being made.

Vucevic extension? *shudders*

[nomorezorro]

Giddey doesn't have to play at post ASB levels to justify 25M. 25M for Giddey is not "a lot" of risk. Look around the league at what 25M gets you these days and what it's projected to get you moving forward. Giddey is being paid like the 79th best player in the league.

Even if he's the player he was in OKC, that's still a player that could get 20ish per year.

these are all the contracts that came in between $20-35 million aav this offseason:

julius randle ($33m)
jakob poeltl ($28m)
naz reid, fred vanvleet, josh giddey ($25m)
jabari smith ($24.5m)
herb jones ($22.5m)
pj washington ($22 million)

i don't think giddey is the worst value there, but he's on the lower end of the spectrum. obviously things could change in an environment where more teams have cap space, but there's reason to believe this meaningfully-above-MLE/meaningfully-below-max class of player is rapidly shrinking due to the effect of the apron and a potential shift toward prioritizing balanced depth over a fat middle of your rotation.

we're in a place where decent rotation guys like malik monk ($20m/year) and grayson allen ($18m/year) are reportedly being treated like undesirable contracts by other teams. if giddey falls into a place where the consensus on him is "he'll never be the lead ballhandler for a good team, so you don't really want him as anything more than the PG for your bench unit," then i think there is a really big chance he'd be considered a toxic contract at $25m/year.

[kulaz3000]

Now what are the other moves the Bulls going to make this off season if any?

Do training camp deals count? Because that's all you're going to see (if at all).

The Bulls are at roster capacity, I don't see any clever 2-for-1 trades being made.

Vucevic extension? *shudders*

Highly doubt Coby's contract will be negotiated until next off season.

Ayo, I think is likely, but perhaps the same as Coby. It would be a good opportunity to extend him though, possibly around the same or at around what Coby is currently making.

I think the most realistic extension could be Collins or Herter, but I doubt that they will be resigned this off season either.

Let's see. Maybe Patrick gets traded finally!!

[GoBlue72391]

I dont feel like this is an overpay ay all. In all honesty, I think if more teams had cap space this year, we wouldn't have been able to retain him for under 30.

Players as young as him with his level of production get paid off of potential. Patrick Williams is making only 7 million less than Giddey. Tyler Herro signed a 4 year 130 million dollar contract. Jalen green signed a shorter deal but more salary per year. I could go on.

Im hopeful giddey continues to improve and we have a steal of a contract. Im expecting it, tbh. And this may be the best trade chip we have ever had. I smell a Ja Morant trade in the near future lmao.

If he's as good as his last couple months then it's the bargain of the century. There’s a good chance that's not the case, though. At that point it's an overpay.

He's still an unknown, so for now it's a slight overpay.

There’s a lot of risk here, but I'm ok with taking that chance. I was infuriated with Pat's and Vuc's extensions but I'm neutral-to-slightly positive with this one.

Respectfully, it can't go from bargain of the century to an overpay because it didn't meet a specific production level. There HAS to be an in-between.

Yes of course, there's a middle ground, that goes without saying, and it's the most likely outcome. I'm pointing out how Giddey is still such an unknown that this contract could end up being a great steal or a horrible overpay depending on which Giddey is the real Giddey.

[GoBlue72391]

I dont feel like this is an overpay ay all. In all honesty, I think if more teams had cap space this year, we wouldn't have been able to retain him for under 30.

Players as young as him with his level of production get paid off of potential. Patrick Williams is making only 7 million less than Giddey. Tyler Herro signed a 4 year 130 million dollar contract. Jalen green signed a shorter deal but more salary per year. I could go on.

Im hopeful giddey continues to improve and we have a steal of a contract. Im expecting it, tbh. And this may be the best trade chip we have ever had. I smell a Ja Morant trade in the near future lmao.

If he's as good as his last couple months then it's the bargain of the century. There’s a good chance that's not the case, though. At that point it's an overpay.

He's still an unknown, so for now it's a slight overpay.

There’s a lot of risk here, but I'm ok with taking that chance. I was infuriated with Pat's and Vuc's extensions but I'm neutral-to-slightly positive with this one.

Giddey doesn't have to play at post ASB levels to justify 25M. 25M for Giddey is not "a lot" of risk. Look around the league at what 25M gets you these days and what it's projected to get you moving forward. Giddey is being paid like the 79th best player in the league.

Even if he's the player he was in OKC, that's still a player that could get 20ish per year.

Best case scenario: he's the guy he was for the last couple months of the season. That's probably a max contract player.

Worst case scenario: he's an unathletic, bad defender who can't shoot or impact games when they matter. That guy's not worth even $20M.

If it weren't for those last couple month or two he wouldn't even be capable of getting the $25M he did.

[GoBlue72391]

Giddey doesn't have to play at post ASB levels to justify 25M. 25M for Giddey is not "a lot" of risk. Look around the league at what 25M gets you these days and what it's projected to get you moving forward. Giddey is being paid like the 79th best player in the league.

Even if he's the player he was in OKC, that's still a player that could get 20ish per year.

these are all the contracts that came in between $20-35 million aav this offseason:

julius randle ($33m)
jakob poeltl ($28m)
naz reid, fred vanvleet, josh giddey ($25m)
jabari smith ($24.5m)
herb jones ($22.5m)
pj washington ($22 million)

i don't think giddey is the worst value there, but he's on the lower end of the spectrum. obviously things could change in an environment where more teams have cap space, but there's reason to believe this meaningfully-above-MLE/meaningfully-below-max class of player is rapidly shrinking due to the effect of the apron and a potential shift toward prioritizing balanced depth over a fat middle of your rotation.

we're in a place where decent rotation guys like malik monk ($20m/year) and grayson allen ($18m/year) are reportedly being treated like undesirable contracts by other teams. if giddey falls into a place where the consensus on him is "he'll never be the lead ballhandler for a good team, so you don't really want him as anything more than the PG for your bench unit," then i think there is a really big chance he'd be considered a toxic contract at $25m/year.

Exactly, hence why there is a fair bit of risk with this deal. But it's a mostly justified risk so I'm ok with it.

[LateNight]

This is kind of where we hoped they’d land

[Dez]

Good deal and finally done for what we all expected.

[Red Larrivee]

these are all the contracts that came in between $20-35 million aav this offseason:

julius randle ($33m)
jakob poeltl ($28m)
naz reid, fred vanvleet, josh giddey ($25m)
jabari smith ($24.5m)
herb jones ($22.5m)
pj washington ($22 million)

i don't think giddey is the worst value there, but he's on the lower end of the spectrum. obviously things could change in an environment where more teams have cap space, but there's reason to believe this meaningfully-above-MLE/meaningfully-below-max class of player is rapidly shrinking due to the effect of the apron and a potential shift toward prioritizing balanced depth over a fat middle of your rotation.

we're in a place where decent rotation guys like malik monk ($20m/year) and grayson allen ($18m/year) are reportedly being treated like undesirable contracts by other teams. if giddey falls into a place where the consensus on him is "he'll never be the lead ballhandler for a good team, so you don't really want him as anything more than the PG for your bench unit," then i think there is a really big chance he'd be considered a toxic contract at $25m/year.

Sure, but Giddey has also never been that player to this point in his career. If he's the baseline player he's been in his NBA career so far, that's still a player that's worth $20M/per flaws and all. And on top of that, the MLE could hit that number at some point over the next 4-5 years.

[League Circles]

I'll guarantee the Bulls don't extend any other current players this summer. Irrational confidence guess to be clear.

[GoBlue72391]

these are all the contracts that came in between $20-35 million aav this offseason:

julius randle ($33m)
jakob poeltl ($28m)
naz reid, fred vanvleet, josh giddey ($25m)
jabari smith ($24.5m)
herb jones ($22.5m)
pj washington ($22 million)

i don't think giddey is the worst value there, but he's on the lower end of the spectrum. obviously things could change in an environment where more teams have cap space, but there's reason to believe this meaningfully-above-MLE/meaningfully-below-max class of player is rapidly shrinking due to the effect of the apron and a potential shift toward prioritizing balanced depth over a fat middle of your rotation.

we're in a place where decent rotation guys like malik monk ($20m/year) and grayson allen ($18m/year) are reportedly being treated like undesirable contracts by other teams. if giddey falls into a place where the consensus on him is "he'll never be the lead ballhandler for a good team, so you don't really want him as anything more than the PG for your bench unit," then i think there is a really big chance he'd be considered a toxic contract at $25m/year.

Sure, but Giddey has also never been that player to this point in his career. If he's the baseline player he's been in his NBA career so far, that's still a player that's worth $20M/per flaws and all. And on top of that, the MLE could hit that number at some point over the next 4-5 years.

Players worth $20M don't get benched in the playoffs, even if that's just solid starter money now.

Worst case scenario Giddey is worth $15M or less. Best case scenario Giddey is near max contract level.

You can deny it all you want, but there's a fair bit of risk with this deal.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Could've been worse. a 5th year would've been disastrous. Would've liked a team option at this AAV. It's definitely an overpay because he didn't have any other options. AK was out-negotiated plain and simple.

At least he and Pat expire at the same time. Maybe the treadmill ends in 2029. the extra $5mil AAV isn't super restrictive, he just didn't deserve the money.

[Stratmaster]

Read on Twitter

Shocked. Shocked I say!

IKR? They were suppised to wait until the last minute because there was no reason to move any more quickly.

This should have been done a month ago. But its all over now. Time for him to earn it.

[Muzbar]

Now what are the other moves the Bulls going to make this off season if any?

Do training camp deals count? Because that's all you're going to see (if at all).

The Bulls are at roster capacity, I don't see any clever 2-for-1 trades being made.

Vucevic extension? *shudders*

Highly doubt Coby's contract will be negotiated until next off season.

Ayo, I think is likely, but perhaps the same as Coby. It would be a good opportunity to extend him though, possibly around the same or at around what Coby is currently making.

I think the most realistic extension could be Collins or Herter, but I doubt that they will be resigned this off season either.

Let's see. Maybe Patrick gets traded finally!!

Oh, I see, you meant with potential extensions?

I don't think a Coby extension gets done and I think he'll leave the Bulls next FA, just my opinion.

I don't see Ayo getting extended, he was in trade rumours recently, signing an extension makes him harder to trade.

I really hope they don't extend Huerter and/or Collins, I don't dislike them as players but I'd rather see if the Bulls cam do anything with the capspace with a young 'core' in place.

I hope they're able to trade Pat, but I'm not sure anyone is going to touch his contract and what's left. Unless some teams has an equally 'bad' contract and they want to swap and see if either player improves with a change of scenery?

[brentmoney]

comparing josh giddey & patrick williams is incredibly funny to me

I don't want to be too infatuated with potential and an admittedly small sample size but giddey went on a 20 game tear, patrick has not shown that he can lead a team for an even short stretch or be a starter, c'mon

[Stratmaster]

Nailed it. That said, this was highly predictable. I suspect the Bulls were offering $20m per year the whole time just to get him to move off the $30m number. I wonder if it is flat.

Giddey and his agent ignored (that was the word used in one report) the 20 mil offer. As soon as the Bulls moved to 22, Giddey agreed to 25. Well done by his agent.

The amount is what we all said it would be. Why it took AK this long to get to the number all of us, and Giddey, were expecting is still the stupid part.

[TheJordanRule]

This is a good deal at the end of the day. Josh might easily out play the value of this deal the way Brunson outplayed his. It’s probably MLE money by year 4, so I like it. We can still add impactful players around him. Love it!

[ShouldaPaidBG]

Alright. How many of these guys is Giddey better than? Bolding my opinion.

28 OG Anunoby, SF New York Knicks $39,568,966
29 Ja Morant, PG Memphis Grizzlies $39,446,090
30 Darius Garland, PG Cleveland Cavaliers $39,446,090
31 Zion Williamson, PF New Orleans Pelicans $39,446,090
32 James Harden, SG LA Clippers $39,182,692
33 Scottie Barnes, SF Toronto Raptors $38,661,750
34 Franz Wagner, SF Orlando Magic $38,661,750
35 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, PG Oklahoma City Thunder $38,333,050
36 Michael Porter Jr., F Brooklyn Nets $38,333,050
37 Brandon Ingram, SF Toronto Raptors $38,095,238
38 LaMelo Ball, PG Charlotte Hornets $37,958,760
39 Tyrese Maxey, PG Philadelphia 76ers $37,958,760
40 De'Aaron Fox, PG San Antonio Spurs $37,096,620
41 Bam Adebayo, C Miami Heat $37,096,620
42 Desmond Bane, SG Orlando Magic $36,725,670
43 Kyrie Irving, PG Dallas Mavericks $36,566,002
44 Jalen Suggs, SG Orlando Magic $35,000,000
45 Rudy Gobert, C Minnesota Timberwolves $35,000,000
46 Jalen Brunson, PG New York Knicks $34,944,001
47 Alperen Sengun, C Houston Rockets $33,944,954
48 Khris Middleton, SF Washington Wizards $33,926,296
49 Jalen Green, SG Phoenix Suns $33,548,499
50 Immanuel Quickley, SG Toronto Raptors $32,500,000
51 Jrue Holiday, PG Portland Trail Blazers $32,400,000
52 Jerami Grant, SF Portland Trail Blazers $32,000,000
53 Jordan Poole, SG New Orleans Pelicans $31,848,215
54 Tyler Herro, PG Miami Heat $31,000,000
55 Julius Randle, PF Minnesota Timberwolves $30,864,198
56 Dejounte Murray, SG New Orleans Pelicans $30,801,103
57 Kristaps Porzingis, C Atlanta Hawks $30,731,707
58 CJ McCollum, SG Washington Wizards $30,666,666
59 Jalen Johnson, SF Atlanta Hawks $30,000,000
60 Isaiah Hartenstein, C Oklahoma City Thunder $28,500,000
61 Andrew Wiggins, SF Miami Heat $28,223,214
62 Derrick White, PG Boston Celtics $28,100,001
63 RJ Barrett, SG Toronto Raptors $27,705,357
64 Anfernee Simons, SG Boston Celtics $27,678,571
65 Devin Vassell, SG San Antonio Spurs $27,000,000
66 Terry Rozier, SG Miami Heat $26,643,031
67 Tobias Harris, F Detroit Pistons $26,634,146
68 John Collins, PF LA Clippers $26,580,000
69 Draymond Green, PF Golden State Warriors $25,892,857
70 Nic Claxton, C Brooklyn Nets $25,352,272
71 Myles Turner, C Milwaukee Bucks $25,318,251
72 Miles Bridges, SF Charlotte Hornets $25,000,000
73 Trey Murphy III, SG New Orleans Pelicans $25,000,000
74 Mikal Bridges, SF New York Knicks $24,900,000
75 Jaden McDaniels, PF Minnesota Timberwolves $24,858,622
76 DeMar DeRozan, SF Sacramento Kings $24,570,000
77 Fred VanVleet, PG Houston Rockets $24,038,462
78 Jaren Jackson Jr., PF Memphis Grizzlies $23,413,395
79 De'Andre Hunter, SF Cleveland Cavaliers $23,303,571
80 Aaron Gordon, PF Denver Nuggets $22,841,455
81 Dillon Brooks, SF Phoenix Suns $22,124,110
82 Kyle Kuzma, SF Milwaukee Bucks $21,810,605
83 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Memphis Grizzlies $21,621,500
84 Naz Reid, C Minnesota Timberwolves $21,551,724
85 Nikola Vucevic, C Chicago Bulls $21,481,481
86 Cameron Johnson, SF Denver Nuggets $21,057,065
87 Norman Powell, G Miami Heat $20,482,758
88 Jarrett Allen, C Cleveland Cavaliers $20,000,000

[DropStep]

Players worth $20M don't get benched in the playoffs, even if that's just solid starter money now.

Well, I mean, there are various situations in this list, but it's not that uncommon:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38160627/josh-hart-agrees-4-year-81-million-extension-knicks
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34819184/atlanta-hawks-extend-deandre-hunter-4-year-95m-deal
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37979701/kristaps-porzingis-signs-2-year-extension-celtics
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43115935/alex-caruso-thunder-agree-4-year-81m-extension
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45599801/naz-reid-sign-5-year-125m-deal-stay-wolves
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32050216/terry-rozier-agrees-four-year-97-million-extension-charlotte-hornets-agent-says
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27196824/agent-simmons-76ers-5-year-170m-deal

Also, DeAndre Hunter money seems pretty good for a player with this much upside. 5/8 of Brandon Ingram money. Around 3/4 of Quickley money. It can be argued that we are transitioning to a new age of lower FA contracts, or that we're just in a temporary lull - but this just seems like a decent deal to me, all things considered.