How would a Tyrus Thomas trade affect YOU?

[Ben]

There was an episode where he got to be a hall monitor at boating school. It did not go well, and all sorts of hijinx ensued.

I'm fortunate that my oldest is 4 and a half and has not yet discovered Sponge Bob. Actually he has in passing, but we did our best to put the kibosh on that for the time being. It's only a matter of time, and it's not as if we're perfect-- I certainly shouldn't be letting him watch Simpsons or King of the Hill re-runs with me before dinner-- but we're fighting The Man as best we know how.

[JackFinn]

It did not go well, and all sorts of hijinx ensued.

[DuckIII]

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I'm fortunate that my oldest is 4 and a half and has not yet discovered Sponge Bob. Actually he has in passing, but we did our best to put the kibosh on that for the time being. It's only a matter of time, and it's not as if we're perfect-- I certainly shouldn't be letting him watch Simpsons or King of the Hill re-runs with me before dinner-- but we're fighting The Man as best we know how.

There are WAY worse things than SpongeBob both for the child and the adult attempting to spend time with said child.

Ever see The Wiggles?

Barney?

And if you really want to fear for the welfare of your family, check out The Doodlebops.

[JackFinn]

I knew exactly what he was talking about, and I read the posts before it.

This conflicts with Ben's conclusion, but he gave several arguments to support it, while you haven't refuted any of them. Did you read his post?

[Ben]

There are WAY worse things than SpongeBob both for the child and the adult attempting to spend time with said child.

Ever see The Wiggles?

Barney?

And if you really want to fear for the welfare of your family, check out The Doodlebops.

Dude, I have a longstanding "Barney Ban" in my house that's breakable only if our youngest turns out to have god-like powers and can grant me a Cubs World Series title in return.

The Wiggles are thankfully off the table as well.

I don't even know what the Doodlebops are, but the name makes me shudder.

Your point is well taken. My brother in law, who's an awesome guy, loves Spongebob. He's probably a lot of fun for adults. But since I've been finding ample ways to corrode my poor boy's intelligence I'm trying to limit his TV time where I can.

Back to the thread topic:

How would a Tyrus trade affect YOU, Duck?

[SportsWorld]

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Thanks Hall Monitor Spongebob.

[DuckIII]

How would a Tyrus trade affect YOU, Duck?

It would make my fingernails grow repulsively long.

[AAU Teammate]

It would make me think that some GMs dont appreciate a man who Jump.s

[JeffJordan]

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Did you start watching basketball in the late 90s/early 00s when Kemp was on Portland?

Uhh no... Kemp was my favorite player by the end of his rookie season. I have been a huge NBA fan since 1988. Kemp was a shell of his former self in Portland. There is a reason why Kemp and Payton led their team to the finals-- Kemp was one of the best PF's of all-time in his prime.

[Red Larrivee]

Red is trying to dismiss a public humiliation with a bad attempt at humor and a statement that's obviously false ("I knew exactly what he was talking about, and I read the posts before it."). If Red had really read the posts before it and knew what the previous poster had been talking about, and still posted the obvious non-sequitur that he did, he would be a very, very stupid person. I choose not to believe that, and certainly not to write it, b/c writing it would be a TOS violation and I respect the TOS.

All of you can see and judge what's going on, and you can choose whom to put on "ignore." Unfortunately, as a mod I cannot. But we all have our crosses to bear.

What public humiliation are you talking about? Was I really supposed to be affected by this? This is the internet and this is a message board. I could see you over there smiling at yourself like "Hey I show did sure that guy." Blowing a kazoo for a celebration. I could care less really if I get warned, suspended, waived or whatever, because it's the internet. And the fact that you're over here trying to dictate a particular posting style on here is funny as hell.

You tried to do the same in that other thread, but then when I started responding you tried to blow it off with your blue font or whatever, after you fired shots first. You're a grown man who takes pride in internet security. But wait, I'm the one getting publicly humiliated right?

Seriously..it's a message board, stop taking this stuff like it's a real life duty. You'll live longer.

[Ben]

What public humiliation are you talking about? Was I really supposed to be affected by this? This is the internet and this is a message board. I could see you over there smiling at yourself like "Hey I show did sure that guy." Blowing a kazoo for a celebration. I could care less really if I get warned, suspended, waived or whatever, because it's the internet. And the fact that you're over here trying to dictate a particular posting style on here is funny as hell.

You tried to do the same in that other thread, but then when I started responding you tried to blow it off with your blue font or whatever, after you fired shots first. You're a grown man who takes pride in internet security. But wait, I'm the one getting publicly humiliated right?

Seriously..it's a message board, stop taking this stuff like it's a real life duty. You'll live longer.

Thanks for the life advice, Mr. Adolescent. "It's just the internet"-- and this coming from someone who posts here 20 times a day.

Enjoy the 3-day vacation, which is coming. You have amply earned it.

The rest of us will enjoy the silence immensely.

[dougthonus]

He's really not that raw on the whole. Its just that he has one noticeable element of his game - post scoring - that is very raw.

Well his jumper, ball handling and decision making are all pretty raw as well as his post moves. His jumper form isn't bad, but his consistency of hitting it is still pretty poor. His ball handling shows potential, but is still very raw for an NBA player. His decision making and knowledge of where to be on the court (on both ends) is still far away (which is probably the biggest sign of rawness, in that he doesn't yet seem to have as strong an understanding of basketball schemes as other players).

His skills which you state aren't raw (rebounding and shot blocking, to which I'd also add his quick hands for generating steals) aren't really finesse based skills that require a lot of development. The learning curve on these skills strikes me as pretty small. A huge portion of them is based on effort and athleticism.

[BR0D1E86]

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There are WAY worse things than SpongeBob both for the child and the adult attempting to spend time with said child.

Ever see The Wiggles?

Barney?

And if you really want to fear for the welfare of your family, check out The Doodlebops.

Upon relocating to Colorado my wife and I briefly lived with some people we knew who had a 2 and a 5 year old. I worked from home at the time and they watched tv all day.

The Wiggles and The Doodlebops send shivers down my spine. I can still hear that God-forsaken bus ride song from one of those shows that they play in every bloody episode in my nightmares.

May have pushed back having kids by years for me.

[BR0D1E86]

I don't even know what the Doodlebops are, but the name makes me shudder.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bjKzU51t7ws

This is played in every episode.

I apologize in advance.

[AirP.]

He's really not that raw on the whole. Its just that he has one noticeable element of his game - post scoring - that is very raw.

Well his jumper, ball handling and decision making are all pretty raw as well as his post moves. His jumper form isn't bad, but his consistency of hitting it is still pretty poor. His ball handling shows potential, but is still very raw for an NBA player. His decision making and knowledge of where to be on the court (on both ends) is still far away (which is probably the biggest sign of rawness, in that he doesn't yet seem to have as strong an understanding of basketball schemes as other players).

His skills which you state aren't raw (rebounding and shot blocking, to which I'd also add his quick hands for generating steals) aren't really finesse based skills that require a lot of development. The learning curve on these skills strikes me as pretty small. A huge portion of them is based on effort and athleticism.

Well, Tyrus' ball handling is probably better then Deng's. I've seen him do some very skilled things like take a quick little dribble between the legs right before taking a jumper, nothing big but it shows you he does have skills, shooting with either hand is a good skill.

What Tyrus lacks are offensive moves. Those should come in time with proper practice.

Now alot of how he ends up is dependent on how much he works on his game but he's got all the ability in the world.

Pippen's game got better for playing next to Jordan, hopefully Tyrus will get a scoring mentor to teach him... and I don't want Gordon teaching him to take jumpers!

[BR0D1E86]

Tyrus has ball-handling skills, what he lacks is decision-making ability with the ball in his hands. He forces passes he shouldn't and tries to lead the break when he shouldn't.

[DuckIII]

Tyrus has ball-handling skills, what he lacks is decision-making ability with the ball in his hands. He forces passes he shouldn't and tries to lead the break when he shouldn't.

Thats exactly right. And that is a mental aspect of the game that will improve with experience. I don't consider that a "rawness" issue.

Doug and I have always disagreed about TT's ball handling. Doug says its "raw." He even used to compare it to Tyson Chandler who, in my experience, has never dibbled the ball twice consequentively in 6 years in the NBA. So clearly doug and I see different things.

I'd actually categorize Tyrus' ball handling as "excellent and unique" in the world of power forwards. I consider it an important strength of his.

[JeremyB0001]

I'd actually categorize Tyrus' ball handling as "excellent and unique" in the world of power forwards. I consider it an important strength of his.

I agree completely. He's has above average handles for a PF. Not many PF's are able to dribble as much as he does, whether it's driving from the perimeter or taking the ball himself on the break. Sometimes he doesn't make the best decisions when dribbling the ball but that's related to basketball IQ, not ball handling. You almost never see him do things like dribble the ball off his foot or allow his defender to knock the ball loose as he's dribbling.

[BR0D1E86]

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Thats exactly right. And that is a mental aspect of the game that will improve with experience. I don't consider that a "rawness" issue.

Doug and I have always disagreed about TT's ball handling. Doug says its "raw." He even used to compare it to Tyson Chandler who, in my experience, has never dibbled the ball twice consequentively in 6 years in the NBA. So clearly doug and I see different things.

I'd actually categorize Tyrus' ball handling as "excellent and unique" in the world of power forwards. I consider it an important strength of his.

Tyrus' ballhandling doesn't remind me of Tyson's in the slightest... mainly because Tyson couldn't dribble the ball or be an effective passer if his life depended on it. It's just not one of his skills.

Tyrus can dribble the ball in space or traffic and makes some good passes. His issue isn't the inability to do these things, it's deciding when to make the 'go for it' aggressive play and when to recognize that it's just not there.

So I agree with you... Tyson doesn't have the skills and would have to learn to handle the ball and whatnot. Tyrus just needs to learn how and when to use the skills he has... along with refining them obviously.

[theawakening]

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Thats exactly right. And that is a mental aspect of the game that will improve with experience. I don't consider that a "rawness" issue.

Doug and I have always disagreed about TT's ball handling. Doug says its "raw." He even used to compare it to Tyson Chandler who, in my experience, has never dibbled the ball twice consequentively in 6 years in the NBA. So clearly doug and I see different things.

I'd actually categorize Tyrus' ball handling as "excellent and unique" in the world of power forwards. I consider it an important strength of his.

Yea, I agree completely. He tends to force the action in some instances with his passing, but this is merely a case of "trying to do too much at times." He doesn't get many minutes, and thus feels he needs to show everything he can do in the slice of time he gets.

In the end, despite all the detractors that point to rawness, all I can say is that good things happen when Tyrus gets extended minutes. If he can have such impact with no skill level, as many like to believe, imagine what happens when the skill actually arrives. It's simple: emancipate Tyrus for good.