Paxson wants 30+ minutes a night for young guys?

[kyrv]

Like a few of us have already said:

Gray / Noah
Tyrus / Smith
Deng / Nocioni
BG / Thabo
Kirk / Duhon

will probabaly get us back into playoff contention. Infact that backcourt is inferior to the frontcourt.

Which brings us to the perennial search for an SG (or a playmaking PG) in return for Wallace, BG/Kirk (depending on who we get back) and probably Nocioni.

I'm on board for that.

[Cliff Levingston]

When Joe Smith is your best big man, your team has major issues.

Word up.

[theanimal23]

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It can't hurt. It should be pretty f'ing clear by now that our current plan of action is going to result in a 6th seed at best.

Which is why Cliff Levingston is amused when people say "You can't win and play the young guys big minutes" We can't win anyway, so what the hell?

Words of Wisdom.

Thats my issue. I wouldn't care if certain players did not play if were winning. That said, Noah, Gray, and Ty have shown flashes (with inconsistency) to be a capable frontcourt. I forget who made the thread, but Ty has played less minutes in his career compared to several of his draft mates. I'm sure the same goes for the other three young guys on this team. They are the future. I'll ride and die with them. Not with Wallace and Smith who will lead us to a 2nd round appearance at the absolute best. And there is no matchup in the East that will be favorable for us.

[bre9]

Kyrv, I agree with your post but let me ask you

Can Thabo shoot the ball? can he shoot wide open shots?

Can Tyrus shoot the ball?

Can Noah shoot the ball?

Can Aaron Gray play defense?

Who is Jameson Curry?

[DuckIII]

How about not repeatedly violating the terms of service Mr. Moderator? Thanks and check out the guidelines please.

I didn't try to avoid the filter.

[musiqsoulchild]

Kyrv, I agree with your post but let me ask you

Can Thabo shoot the ball? can he shoot wide open shots?

Can Tyrus shoot the ball?

Can Noah shoot the ball?

Can Aaron Gray play defense?

Who is Jameson Curry?

There's no harm in trying to find out though. After all, half the players you mentioned were lotto picks and form part of the "future" of this team.

This was one of the major reasons I hated Skiles coaching this season...that he didnt give enough minutes to these guys.

Tyrus/Noah/Gray dont have to shoot the ball....their position requires them to be strong finishers near the basket...and each in his own way is that.

And Thabo, I am positive needs time and a safe zone to operate in. Jameson Curry...meh. He's deep down in the rotation (i/f not on the IR) anyway.

[kyrv]

Kyrv, I agree with your post but let me ask you

Can Thabo shoot the ball? can he shoot wide open shots?

Can Tyrus shoot the ball?

Can Noah shoot the ball?

Can Aaron Gray play defense?

Who is Jameson Curry?

Yes, they can all shoot the ball. How well (in games)? That's what Pax needs to find out. This would be an evaluation period. We may watch some bad basketball at times. Of course, I've been doing that all season. Do they stink? Do they stink together? Separate? This is what Paxson needs to know.

I've come to the realization that Thabo and Tyrus might not ever fully develop on the Bulls. This is possible. They have been Skiles'd. If they get moved, I look forward to the tracking threads.

(Not sure your question on JamesOn Curry, or if he would see significant minutes. My own preference would be for Thabo to have first crack, but not to play them necessarily together, barring injuries.)

[Three34]

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I didn't try to avoid the filter.

I was only satirising.

[DuckIII]

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I was only satirising.

Oh. This is one of the side-effects of being a lawyer.

[musiqsoulchild]

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I didn't try to avoid the filter.

Thats just lawyerspeak.

[kyrv]

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That was pretty much my response.

I should add, as coldfish has noted for years, our offense isn't very good, it doesn't exactly bring out the best or the beast in most players, another thing to keep in mind.

But of course if someone can't make a layup (*cough* Wallace *cough*), that's not the fault of the offense.

[coldfish]

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I was only satirising.

I just think Sham is a big Film Actors Guild supporter.




j/k Sham

[Three34]

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Oh. This is one of the side-effects of being a lawyer.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=747875

Twere a thinly veiled shot at someone I don't like which, had I not pointed it out right now, I may have been the only person to pick up on. But I'd be fine with that.

[bre9]

From what I seen out of Thabo the guy is awful on offense his shot is so flat. Tyrus can't make jumpers he also makes obvious mistakes when he's in the game he's to clumsy he tries to do too much when he's in their. Noah same as Tyrus can't make a jumpshot. Aaron Gray can do some things on the offense end but is slow and is awful on defense he couldn't guard Eddy Curry the other night. JamesOn Curry is probably not even good he was 2nd rd pick another short 2 guard. Pax has messed up the last few drafts. His best draft picks were Hinrich, Nocioni, Deng, Duhon, and Gordon. Every since them he has not been successful at the draft and part of it's Skiles fault because he persuade Pax to pick defense guys when we really needed Offense players and well rounded players.

[Three34]

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I just think Sham is a big Film Actors Guild supporter.




j/k Sham

This isn't a retort. I just wanted to post it.

[DuckIII]

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http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=747875

Twere a thinly veiled shot at someone I don't like which, had I not pointed it out right now, I may have been the only person to pick up on. But I'd be fine with that.

Wow. Mr. Givony needs some herbal tea and a foot rub, evidently.

[jump]

This development seems inevitable and makes me happy, too. The next big question is who gets traded and when.

I'll consider us lucky if we can move Wallace by the trade deadline. It's more likely that trades will come in the summer with some combo of Wallace, Nocioni, and Hinrich or Gordon going out and a big SG and PG prospect coming back.

Hopefully, by then our front court will be more seasoned and we'll be clear and happy with the roles and abilities of the three young Bigs. I'm in total agreement with those who now think the real problem with the Bulls is not the backcourt, not the frontcourt.

Wallace's big contract, however, will be appealing to hang onto with the upcoming opt-out deals that converge the following season: Kobe, LeBron, Wade. So if we trade Wallace, the ideal would be to get TMac, whose big deal also ends the same time. A pipedream, I suppose. But it would be smart to keep all this in mind, and Pax is smart. No doubt he's considered the obvious.

[musiqsoulchild]

From what I seen out of Thabo the guy is awful on offense his shot is so flat. Tyrus can't make jumpers he also makes obvious mistakes when he's in the game he's to clumsy he tries to do too much when he's in their. Noah same as Tyrus can't make a jumpshot. Aaron Gray can do some things on the offense end but is slow and is awful on defense he couldn't guard Eddy Curry the other night. JamesOn Curry is probably not even good he was 2nd rd pick another short 2 guard. Pax has messed up the last few drafts. His best draft picks were Hinrich, Nocioni, Deng, Duhon, and Gordon. Every since them he has not been successful at the draft and part of it's Skiles fault because he persuade Pax to pick defense guys when we really needed Offense players and well rounded players.

You are right in your observations of the demerits of our young players.

But isnt it better to crucify them based ona 30+ minute sample, rather than on a 5- 10 MPG sample...which is presently the case?

Thats all I am saying.

Play them, evaluate them. Trade or retain them accordingly.

[Cliff Levingston]

From what I seen out of Thabo the guy is awful on offense his shot is so flat. Tyrus can't make jumpers he also makes obvious mistakes when he's in the game he's to clumsy he tries to do too much when he's in their. Noah same as Tyrus can't make a jumpshot. Aaron Gray can do some things on the offense end but is slow and is awful on defense he couldn't guard Eddy Curry the other night. JamesOn Curry is probably not even good he was 2nd rd pick another short 2 guard. Pax has messed up the last few drafts. His best draft picks were Hinrich, Nocioni, Deng, Duhon, and Gordon. Every since them he has not been successful at the draft and part of it's Skiles fault because he persuade Pax to pick defense guys when we really needed Offense players and well rounded players.

Difference between Tyrus/Noah/Thabo and Gordon/Duhon/Hinrich: Tyrus/Noah/Thabo haven't got a chance to play significant minutes yet.

[jump]

Every since them he has not been successful at the draft and part of it's Skiles fault because he persuade Pax to pick defense guys when we really needed Offense players and well rounded players.

Who has he passed up that you would rather he'd have drafted?