Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[johnnyvann840]

This is Reggie Rose's (and Derrick's) disappointment that the Bulls could be stuck with Boozer for two more years and no real hope of improving the roster with that albatross of a contract. They are as sickened watching Boozer play as I am.

Heh, I don't think its that one specific thing.

However, when Rose comes back and brings his formidable offense, I think its time to start Gibson to balance the lineup.

If we can't unload Boozer, at least minimize the damage he can do.

Well, he specifically singled out "Noah and Deng" and said "they're great players." as if to say.. the problem is not with Jo or Lu. The bench lineups have ridiculously great +/- and win their minutes.. so that leaves .. hmmmm..the starting 4 and 2. I agree. make them better... bench them.

[Mr Funk]

Me too. Disagreeing with other Bulls fans is a good reason to want the franchise player to bolt.

Actually, I don't want him to leave. I'm rooting for him to stay, retire a Bull, and have his number retired. But you guys can root for the other, free country and all that.

Some of us don't evaluate the personality of a player, and whether or not his conduct is subject to criticism, based on his basketball talent.

+ 1,000,000,000

[kingkirk]

This is so wrong. Every player other than the top 5/6 stars are flawed. And, most times are multi-flawed. If the Bulls keep waiting for the perfect player, they will never find that player. They have to take a gamble on something like a skill need, bad personality or something else if they want to find that player. They took a decent gamble on Boozer but he didn't work out in the playoffs. It is important to move on and find the right pieces and this season was the best time to try players like Mayo.

The Bulls were looking for the back-to-the-basket big for 6/7 years or more and couldn't find one after Brand. What happened? The game itself changed where that kind of guy is no longer important. That's how slow they have reacted to their needs.

Yes, but Steve Nash and Monta Ellis?

Really?

[imagge]

This roster, with a healthy Rose, is already a legitimate contender.

This...the way this roster is setup literally is a scorer away from scaring everyone in the league. And that doesn't even mean a ALL-Star caliber scorer, just a person who can put the ball in the damn basket. Brooks, Nick Young, Crawford, names in this caliber is all that's needed.

No it is not please stop kidding yourselves....I will be watching and hoping we beat the Heat tonight but the Bulls will lose by 20 tonight and if rose was here lose by 6 but it would still be a lost.

[hammel123]

This roster, with a healthy Rose, is already a legitimate contender.

This...the way this roster is setup literally is a scorer away from scaring everyone in the league. And that doesn't even mean a ALL-Star caliber scorer, just a person who can put the ball in the damn basket. Brooks, Nick Young, Crawford, names in this caliber is all that's needed.

delusional, as proven by a 4-1 series loss to a real contender a couple of years ago. Since then the team has regressed by losing starting quality center to free agency and serious injury to its most important player

[The Kane]

This roster, with a healthy Rose, is already a legitimate contender. It isn't going to take an elite all-star to put us over the top. We just need one perimeter scoring guard that can shoot and lift a bit of the burden off Rose's shoulder. Had we traded for OJ Mayo in February of 2011, I'm convinced none of us would be having this discussion today, as the upgrade he would've presented over Bogans would've been enough to propel us to a title. Even with a Jamal Crawford in the backcourt, this team as currently constructed could go all the way.

But both of those guys, alongside a deal to bring back Ben Gordon in the summer, would've been marginally risky plays that would've cut into profit margin over the next few seasons.

The timing of this may be off, but it's not irrational to think this type of comment could spur the Bulls to do things like use their trade exception this summer to take on a long-term contract.

The first part was true for us two years ago. Im not too sure that's the case now.

[Rerisen]

This roster, with a healthy Rose, is already a legitimate contender. It isn't going to take an elite all-star to put us over the top. We just need one perimeter scoring guard that can shoot and lift a bit of the burden off Rose's shoulder. Had we traded for OJ Mayo in February of 2011, I'm convinced none of us would be having this discussion today, as the upgrade he would've presented over Bogans would've been enough to propel us to a title. Even with a Jamal Crawford in the backcourt, this team as currently constructed could go all the way.

The first part was true for us two years ago. Im not too sure that's the case now.

Agree. I think in 2011 we were very likely a Mayo or Crawford upgrade from Bogans away. Last year even less far away. But this team is now another step farther yet. It shows in our record (even comparatively without Rose), in our point differential, and in our significantly dropped offense and even slightly dipped defense.

[kingkirk]

This is one of the most fun threads since I have read RealGM for a few years now. A person from the inner circle ripping the team gives ammo to every kind of poster. It has become a real exchange of ideas rather than one philosophy being pushed down the throat by a group.

Me too, i've loved it, even if i've disagreed with many folk.

For the most part, its been really good.

[coldfish]

Reggie is right, Drose needs help in the scoring department which is a major part of the game. I like what he said, much like Jordan complained about Brad Sllers, Colter, and Dave Corzine and ask to have better players. The FO didn't listen to him then though when he wanted players traded, stayed patient and drafted Horace Grant and traded to get Scottie in the draft and the rest is what we shall call H.O.F. history.

Let's not re-write history. MJ was pissed about Cartwright. Beyond that, the Bulls failed multiple times with Scottie and Horace and MJ. Many posters here would have DEMANDED that the 1990 Bulls get broken up because they clearly couldn't beat Detroit.

[Tenchi Ryu]

This roster, with a healthy Rose, is already a legitimate contender.

This...the way this roster is setup literally is a scorer away from scaring everyone in the league. And that doesn't even mean a ALL-Star caliber scorer, just a person who can put the ball in the damn basket. Brooks, Nick Young, Crawford, names in this caliber is all that's needed.

delusional, as proven by a 4-1 series loss to a real contender a couple of years ago.

FFS, people still comparing 2011 to now...

Rose was not the smarter player he is now, Deng and Noah were not All-Star caliber and the bench was no where near as balanced as it is now....

People, let this hard on for Asik go...

Miami loss in 2011, no way in hell we can consider them being a good team from now on ...Even though their gameplan has practically stayed exactly the same surrounding shooters around Lebron.

[johnnyvann840]

Reggie is right, Drose needs help in the scoring department which is a major part of the game. I like what he said, much like Jordan complained about Brad Sllers, Colter, and Dave Corzine and ask to have better players. The FO didn't listen to him then though when he wanted players traded, stayed patient and drafted Horace Grant and traded to get Scottie in the draft and the rest is what we shall call H.O.F. history.

Let's not re-write history. MJ was pissed about Cartwright. Beyond that, the Bulls failed multiple times with Scottie and Horace and MJ. Many posters here would have DEMANDED that the 1990 Bulls get broken up because they clearly couldn't beat Detroit.

So very true.

[kingkirk]

Let's try to get Redick, another "good character" player from Duke, yes he will help "esprit de corps", Carmelo Anthony was a bad apple (no pun intended), as far as Harden we were just asleep, no one ever told us we can get him for a couple of mid lotto picks

Harden is the only plausible move, in hindsight, that could have been done. The Rockets saw an opportunity and took advantage, or "seized the moment"

Unfortunately for the Bulls, the timing was off on this. They had to decide on Asik before Harden became available. But a starting 5 of Rose, Harden, Deng, Boozer, and Asik would sure seem like a title-contending team to me.

Nor could anything we could have offered be better than the Rockets offer.

We weren't moving Noah, because Asik was gone before that.

[chifan1798]

IMHO, a lot of posters don't get the league right now. A single star by himself isn't winning a title. We have one superstar with decent role players but we don't have any game changers. Guys that can get a decent shot on their own, draw a foul and get the line during an offensive drought.

It doesn't matter how .any decent guys you surround your star player with. The NBA especially is a game where the stars get special treatment. DRose started to finally earn that respect but he is just one guy to Miami's 3. I love Deng and Noah but not like the FO does. Something has to change. The Pistons got lucky, you can't count on that business model succeeding repeadtly in this game.

All in all the FO wants to compete for a title as long as it is profitable... That's as plain as it can be put

Pleny of posters realize what this team needs, and I'm sure all of us would enjoy a great sidekick for Rose. What some posters don't seem to understand (the ones who don't have a problem with what Reggie did), is that there is a time and a place for everything. At this point in time during the season, you certainly need to keep things in-house. This is when the season really begins.......fighting for playoff positioning and eventually the playoffs. The bulls can't do a darn thing until the post season is over, so why the hell will you stir the pot, and throw Rose's teammates under the bus? The bulls may not have a large chance to get to the finals, but they do have a chance.....and their chance becomes stronger if some injury were to happen to any one of the big three. There is absolutely no point in making these public comments now, other than to piss people off in the midst of the real season beginning

[Rerisen]

Reggie is right, Drose needs help in the scoring department which is a major part of the game. I like what he said, much like Jordan complained about Brad Sllers, Colter, and Dave Corzine and ask to have better players. The FO didn't listen to him then though when he wanted players traded, stayed patient and drafted Horace Grant and traded to get Scottie in the draft and the rest is what we shall call H.O.F. history.

Let's not re-write history. MJ was pissed about Cartwright. Beyond that, the Bulls failed multiple times with Scottie and Horace and MJ. Many posters here would have DEMANDED that the 1990 Bulls get broken up because they clearly couldn't beat Detroit.

And it would be bad analysis since Pippen and Grant were 24 years old and still improving as the 2nd and 3rd best players.

Who do the Bulls have now that are young and improving, outside a role player in Jimmy buckets, who is not close to our 2nd or 3rd best player.

This Bulls team is nothing close to the pre dynasty Bulls in setup or progress, we are going the opposite way with Boozer and Hamilton severely declining at 2 of the starting positions, and little recourse to solve our 2nd option needs.

[kingkirk]

Is this what that thread about being in "NBA Hell" meant?

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Thole whole reason we're in this pickle is we're wedging Rose into our established role players instead of buildind around Rose as his career went forward. We didn't have the luxury of building around our Durant.

[DSand]

IMHO, a lot of posters don't get the league right now. A single star by himself isn't winning a title. We have one superstar with decent role players but we don't have any game changers. Guys that can get a decent shot on their own, draw a foul and get the line during an offensive drought.

It doesn't matter how .any decent guys you surround your star player with. The NBA especially is a game where the stars get special treatment. DRose started to finally earn that respect but he is just one guy to Miami's 3. I love Deng and Noah but not like the FO does. Something has to change. The Pistons got lucky, you can't count on that business model succeeding repeadtly in this game.

All in all the FO wants to compete for a title as long as it is profitable... That's as plain as it can be put

Dallas did it two years ago. One star, Dirk Nowitski, surrounded by above average role players like Kidd, Chandler, Marion, Terry. Before that, Miami. Shaq was clearly on the decline and hardly still a "star" but they did have a star in D Wade. And before that the Pistons. And before that, the Spurs. Tim Duncan was a "star" but Parker and Ginobili were not yet established in the league, yet it all fell in place for them. The current Miami team is really the exception to the rule, and with the new CBA, they will be the last. Even so, look at the Knicks and Lakers this year. They have "Super Teams", but they're not that super. Look at the Lakers team that brought on Karl Malone and Gary Payton. No Championship and bust. Super teams are not the future of the NBA. I agree that the current Bulls roster, even with a Healthy D Rose, probably can't win a Championship. But there's only so many Lebrons and Durants to go around. I challenge anybody to name me one player that the Bulls could legitimately trade for that would make you say, "Now we're a Championship condender!".

[The Kane]

This...the way this roster is setup literally is a scorer away from scaring everyone in the league. And that doesn't even mean a ALL-Star caliber scorer, just a person who can put the ball in the damn basket. Brooks, Nick Young, Crawford, names in this caliber is all that's needed.

delusional, as proven by a 4-1 series loss to a real contender a couple of years ago.

FFS, people still comparing 2011 to now...

Rose was not the smarter player he is now, Deng and Noah were not All-Star caliber and the bench was no where near as balanced as it is now....

People, let this hard on for Asik go...

Miami loss in 2011, no way in hell we can consider them being a good team from now on ...Even though their gameplan has practically stayed exactly the same surrounding shooters around Lebron.

Like I said, it doesn't make a difference if they're All-Stars now or not. Noah is better, but Deng and Noah are still the same Deng and Noah.Them becoming All-Stars doesn't magically make them better. And FYI, Miami is better now than they were then. Boozer is worse. We don't know how D. Rose will be when he comes back. Our odds of winning are significantly worse than they were two years ago. The Big 3 are playing out of their minds. LeBron has finally got it, they have Ray Allen and much better role players than they did. We could very well get swept this year.

[hammel123]

.. Most posters understand that Rose needs a second option. They also understand that there has been no evidence that there was a deal out there that the Bulls could have made at this point in time. Reggie acts like there was a deal out there, or a number of deals that the Bulls could have pulled off, and chose not to.

it's been pointed out, the frustration's been brewing for a while now, in a meantime Anthony, Harden, Paul, Williams, Howard, Lebron, Bosh have changed teams, Garnet, Pierce, Rondo, Gasol, Randolph have been openly made available in trades, which other all stars am I leaving out? This is just in the past few years

[Tenchi Ryu]

Pleny of posters realize what this team needs, and I'm sure all of us would enjoy a great sidekick for Rose. What some posters don't seem to understand (the ones who don't have a problem with what Reggie did), is that there is a time and a place for everything.

With the way some fans act, I can't even blame the free agent players for never giving Chicago the time of day. Between the cut-throat fans, hearing about Thibs being a demanding coach and until now the owner being cheap, most players probably just say f#$k Chicago.

Now when Dwight Howard's major complaint of Chicago being too cold being his only problem, you know your team has issues.