OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[Rerisen]

P.S. The jab about Rose not being able to give the plaintiff an orgasm was probably just a ridiculous attempt to appeal to his manhood, but kind of a funny touch in a general sense.

Lots of complains about Derrick's performance all around of late.

[MAQ]

So if I read that correctly it says thatcorrectly it says that Derrick Rose raped this female with 12 other men

[meekrab]

As pertains to the rape allegations, I really think it will depend on how compelling a case the plaintiff's lawyer can make in linking Option 2 and all of the details of the sexual relationship (s) AND the hearsay of the co-worker and the roommate. Still not a strong case.

That's the strategically interesting thing about the complaint. If they can corraborate all of the collateral details, then they'll be building credibility by including it all in the complaint up front. "Look at the complaint, members of the jury. We've told you the whole story from the very beginning. We didn't hold back. And we've proven every aspect of it that can be proven except for the final piece, which is up to you to decide. Do you believe the rapist or the victim? We've told the truth from the very first day of this lawsuit." Followed by listing areas where Rose and his co-defendants may have been caught in subtle lies or half truths during the discovery process to juxtapose the plaintiff's credibility with theirs. That's an impressive and smart strategy, well thought out far in advance. If you can prove all of that stuff.

Ah, civil trials. Where you can prove X, Y, Z, L, M, N, O, and P and then ask the jury to award damages for Q and W.

[Indomitable]

Allen is Tony Allen little brother right?

[DuckIII]

As pertains to the rape allegations, I really think it will depend on how compelling a case the plaintiff's lawyer can make in linking Option 2 and all of the details of the sexual relationship (s) AND the hearsay of the co-worker and the roommate. Still not a strong case.

That's the strategically interesting thing about the complaint. If they can corraborate all of the collateral details, then they'll be building credibility by including it all in the complaint up front. "Look at the complaint, members of the jury. We've told you the whole story from the very beginning. We didn't hold back. And we've proven every aspect of it that can be proven except for the final piece, which is up to you to decide. Do you believe the rapist or the victim? We've told the truth from the very first day of this lawsuit." Followed by listing areas where Rose and his co-defendants may have been caught in subtle lies or half truths during the discovery process to juxtapose the plaintiff's credibility with theirs. That's an impressive and smart strategy, well thought out far in advance. If you can prove all of that stuff.

Ah, civil trials. Where you can prove X, Y, Z, L, M, N, O, and P and then ask the jury to award damages for Q and W.

Wouldn't be much difference if it were a criminal trial when it comes to undocumented rape. Its ultimately going to come down to the credibility of the participants. Its not fair to either the accuser or the accused, really. But I don't see what there is to be done about it.

[musiqsoulchild]

P.S. The jab about Rose not being able to give the plaintiff an orgasm was probably just a ridiculous attempt to appeal to his manhood, but kind of a funny touch in a general sense.

Lots of complains about Derrick's performance all around of late.

- Not very efficient
- Shoots way too early
- Too many unproductive possessions
- Not a good performer on back to back's

Onion beckons.

[Indomitable]

P.S. The jab about Rose not being able to give the plaintiff an orgasm was probably just a ridiculous attempt to appeal to his manhood, but kind of a funny touch in a general sense.

Lots of complains about Derrick's performance all around of late.

- Not very efficient
- Shoots way too early
- Too many unproductive possessions
- Not a good performer on back to back's

Onion beckons.

She everyone has failed to step up their game. Just not Derrick

[Indomitable]

That's the strategically interesting thing about the complaint. If they can corraborate all of the collateral details, then they'll be building credibility by including it all in the complaint up front. "Look at the complaint, members of the jury. We've told you the whole story from the very beginning. We didn't hold back. And we've proven every aspect of it that can be proven except for the final piece, which is up to you to decide. Do you believe the rapist or the victim? We've told the truth from the very first day of this lawsuit." Followed by listing areas where Rose and his co-defendants may have been caught in subtle lies or half truths during the discovery process to juxtapose the plaintiff's credibility with theirs. That's an impressive and smart strategy, well thought out far in advance. If you can prove all of that stuff.

Ah, civil trials. Where you can prove X, Y, Z, L, M, N, O, and P and then ask the jury to award damages for Q and W.

Wouldn't be much difference if it were a criminal trial when it comes to undocumented rape. Its ultimately going to come down to the credibility of the participants. Its not fair to either the accuser or the accused, really. But I don't see what there is to be done about it.

[Stratmaster]

As pertains to the rape allegations, I really think it will depend on how compelling a case the plaintiff's lawyer can make in linking Option 2 and all of the details of the sexual relationship (s) AND the hearsay of the co-worker and the roommate. Still not a strong case.

That's the strategically interesting thing about the complaint. If they can corraborate all of the collateral details, then they'll be building credibility by including it all in the complaint up front. "Look at the complaint, members of the jury. We've told you the whole story from the very beginning. We didn't hold back. And we've proven every aspect of it that can be proven except for the final piece, which is up to you to decide. Do you believe the rapist or the victim? We've told the truth from the very first day of this lawsuit." Followed by listing areas where Rose and his co-defendants may have been caught in subtle lies or half truths during the discovery process to juxtapose the plaintiff's credibility with theirs. That's an impressive and smart strategy, well thought out far in advance. If you can prove all of that stuff.

If, on the other hand, the strategy was to add a ton of detail solely on your client's word without doing your homework first to see if you could actually corraborate it, in the hopes of forcing a quick settlement, then its a borderline incompetent strategy because you will hang yourself with your own allegations.

I'm not seeing the same thing you and Musiq are. I'm seeing a poorly written document that reads like a Penthouse letter entry. Not a single point being made (him wanting to have group sex, or skype sex etc.) has anything to do with the charge. It talks about her being drugged, and then says one of the men called her to let her know he was unaware she had been drugged. But there is no other mention of drug type or other details. She admits to drinking tequila. how much? If it wasn't enough to cause the same systems you would think they would want to mention that.

It states they saw each other less than once a month yet she somehow thought they were "exclusive". And she didn't know he had a baby? He's a public figure. She didn't follow any news about him? In the lawsuit they basically build the case for her having a grudge against him... "cheated" on her, was fooling around with her trusted friend etc.

Please note, I am not casting any opinion on what actually happened; just commenting on the way the complaint was drafted. If I were the defense attorney I would see it as a gift.

[Axl Rose]

Allen is Tony Allen little brother right?

allen allen?

[DuckIII]

If Derrick can not crush her he was a fool not to pay her.

He may be just that principled. Some people refuse to back down when their integrity is challenged.

Or for all we know she was demanding an outrageous sum even by the standards of Rose's wealth. Think about it this way: Isiah Thomas got hit for $12 million by a New York jury for harrassment. Not gang rape. Harrassment. Using that as a measuring stick, its possible the plaintiff has been asking for at least 5x that to settle. Who knows?

[Indomitable]

As pertains to the rape allegations, I really think it will depend on how compelling a case the plaintiff's lawyer can make in linking Option 2 and all of the details of the sexual relationship (s) AND the hearsay of the co-worker and the roommate. Still not a strong case.

That's the strategically interesting thing about the complaint. If they can corraborate all of the collateral details, then they'll be building credibility by including it all in the complaint up front. "Look at the complaint, members of the jury. We've told you the whole story from the very beginning. We didn't hold back. And we've proven every aspect of it that can be proven except for the final piece, which is up to you to decide. Do you believe the rapist or the victim? We've told the truth from the very first day of this lawsuit." Followed by listing areas where Rose and his co-defendants may have been caught in subtle lies or half truths during the discovery process to juxtapose the plaintiff's credibility with theirs. That's an impressive and smart strategy, well thought out far in advance. If you can prove all of that stuff.

If, on the other hand, the strategy was to add a ton of detail solely on your client's word without doing your homework first to see if you could actually corraborate it, in the hopes of forcing a quick settlement, then its a borderline incompetent strategy because you will hang yourself with your own allegations.

I'm not seeing the same thing you and Musiq are. I'm seeing a poorly written document that reads like a Penthouse letter entry. Not a single point being made (him wanting to have group sex, or skype sex etc.) has anything to do with the charge. It talks about her being drugged, and then says one of the men called her to let her know he was unaware she had been drugged. But there is no other mention of drug type or other details. She admits to drinking tequila. how much? If it wasn't enough to cause the same systems you would think they would want to mention that.

It states they saw each other less than once a month yet she somehow thought they were "exclusive". And she didn't know he had a baby? He's a public figure. She didn't follow any news about him? In the lawsuit they basically build the case for her having a grudge against him... "cheated" on her, was fooling around with her trusted friend etc.

Please note, I am not casting any opinion on what actually happened; just commenting on the way the complaint was drafted. If I were the defense attorney I would see it as a gift.

I assume they meant the way the document was drawn up to make Derrick look like a hedonist.

[DuckIII]

I'm not seeing the same thing you and Musiq are. I'm seeing a poorly written document that reads like a Penthouse letter entry. Not a single point being made (him wanting to have group sex, or skype sex etc.) has anything to do with the charge.

But thats my whole point about the strategy. And while its not written in traditional legal language, its written in a more common "tongue" to appeal to press clippings and laypersons. If the strategy is the wise one I mentioned, rather than the stupid one I mentioned, then its a remarkably well written complaint for that purpose.

It talks about her being drugged, and then says one of the men called her to let her know he was unaware she had been drugged.

It doesn't say that all three men drugged her at the same time or were all aware of the drugging. In fact it doesn't say who drugged her at all. Which is of course logically consistent with her story that she didn't know she'd been drugged.

But there is no other mention of drug type or other details.

She didn't know who drugged her specifically or that she'd even be drugged at all. How would it be consistent with her story to identify the drug? You actually want to see MORE detail? It already contains about 1,000% more detail than is normallly advisable.

She admits to drinking tequila. how much? If it wasn't enough to cause the same systems you would think they would want to mention that.

The "I was drugged" part takes care of that. She doesn't need to affirmatively assert that she didn't drink enough to be in that state. Complaints are not a vehicle to state every conceivable aspect of the claim. That complaint is excessively detailed. Its odd that your issues are with insufficient detail. Want to see what it would look like if I was her lawyer?

"On the night of ________, Defendants conspired to and did surreptitiously drug _____________, break into her home, and forceably rape her against her will."

Now that is a bit of an exaggeration because you'd have to plead damages, the basic elements of the civil claims, and might want to add a little bit of filler, but its all you need. And typically all you want so as to avoid boxing yourself in to the details.

It states they saw each other less than once a month yet she somehow thought they were "exclusive". And she didn't know he had a baby? He's a public figure. She didn't follow any news about him? In the lawsuit they basically build the case for her having a grudge against him... "cheated" on her, was fooling around with her trusted friend etc.

Its no different than having her wear a polka-dot church gown and a string of pearls to court. They are starting early with their narrative about her naivete. It might work, it might not.

Please note, I am not casting any opinion on what actually happened; just commenting on the way the complaint was drafted. If I were the defense attorney I would see it as a gift.

If I were the defense attorney I would too. Because it gives me a laundry list of things to poke holes in. But if plaintiff's counsel have documented it all, obtained witness statements, gathered the skype records, texts, phone records, etc., then its going to make for a powerful tool later if they can prove it all. Like I said, its a highly unusual but interesting strategy.

[mj234eva]

I assume they meant the way the document was drawn up to make Derrick look like a hedonist.

Yea, and her the young, naive, innocent, & well meaning girl.

Contrast that with her "thot" sex therapist (I believe this person was really a stripper, but w/e) friend, who she was clearly very close with.

Another friend who didn't even make sure she made it home, despite being drugged and drunk.

Yet another friend who is dating one of Rose's associates, and appears to be okay with having threesomes.

And a roommate, that see's a strange man in their apartment, but doesn't do anything about it to get him out (maybe because she knows her friend is a hoe, and this is not uncommon?).

But the accused? Naw, she was the one who wasn't into anything. Not self pleasure, not oral sex (giving or receiving), not even intercourse.

Sounds legit.

[mj234eva]

So how do they know these 3 in particular "discussed" and "planned" this?

Where is that coming from?

[mj234eva]

Allen is Tony Allen little brother right?

allen allen?

Ryan Allen. And yea, that's Tony's little bro.

[Indomitable]

I assume they meant the way the document was drawn up to make Derrick look like a hedonist.

Yea, and her the young, naive, innocent, & well meaning girl.

Contrast that with her "thot" sex therapist (I believe this person was really a stripper, but w/e) friend, who she was clearly very close with.

Another friend who didn't even make sure she made it home, despite being drugged and drunk.

Yet another friend who is dating one of Rose's associates, and appears to be okay with having threesomes.

And a roommate, that see's a strange man in their apartment, but doesn't do anything about it to get him out (maybe because she knows her friend is a hoe, and this is not uncommon?).

But the accused? Naw, she was the one who wasn't into anything. Not self pleasure, not oral sex (giving or receiving), not even intercourse.

Sounds legit.

I agree but some people will eat this up

[DuckIII]

So how do they know these 3 in particular "discussed" and "planned" this?

Where is that coming from?

Its an allegation. Technically, it should say "On information and belief," as a precursor to that allegation, which the lawyer employed at other points in the complaint (I think I recall it preceding the "drugging" allegation). It was likely just a drafting oversight to not include that here. But its not required regardless. A plaintiff isn't subject to proofs at the complaint stage. She can say what she wants.

[RedBulls23]

Anyone have any idea what the expected timeline is going to be?

There really isn't anyway to know yet, right?

She just filed a law suit...there is no indication yet that a judge will approve it. It could get dismissed or settled. It just a fact that Rose is being sued by the person.

Maybe I missed something or I'm just wrong.

You are correct. And I'd add something else:

I can't conceive of how this lawsuit could possibly be "dismissed" by the judge at the outset, no matter how outlandish the factual allegations appear to many people. She said it happened and pled it in adequate detail. That is, legally speaking, enough. He said she said cases are practically impossible to dispose of prior to trial in any way other than through a settlement.

There would have to be a pure legal defense, like statute of limitations, to just "get rid of the case." No expert witness opinion testimony is required in a case like this. Her word meets the minimum burden of support required to push it all they way to trial.

My guess is it settles quickly. Or it settles right before either she or Derrick Rose give a deposition. But based on the information we have, it won't be "dismissed." That's just how the legal system is.

The one thing that could potentially work against her is that she is saying a bunch of guys were a part of said rape, but is only suing Derrick. Or does that not matter?

[DuckIII]

I assume they meant the way the document was drawn up to make Derrick look like a hedonist.

Yea, and her the young, naive, innocent, & well meaning girl.

No doubt. They are trying to establish a narrative right up front that she was naive and for the most part sexually inexperienced and non-experimental. Hard to second guess that strategy when, as this thread validates to vivid degrees, the predictable response to such allegations is "she's a whore who was **** a professional athlete."