2017 Summer Bulls - Merged

[Jax Teller]

He looked so good in fact that every team in round 1 passed on him & then 7 teams passed on him in round 2.

Sooo... he's not worth a spot on the Bulls' roster? Is that what you're implying?

I am saying if he looked as good as you say he wouldn't have gone 38th.

There is no justification for what this cheap and low talent franchise did in selling that pick, I don't care if Bell ends up working at Taco Bell after one season (no pun intended with the names). Where he went in the draft has zero justification for what Rein$$$$dork and co did. See rookie of the year last year, Draymond Green, Boozer, Zipser, Ginobili, etc.. Second round picks can be solid contributors if you get lucky. Bell looks to have that potential. And it doesn't matter anyway, you try. The most loaded roster maybe in NBA history bought the pick for him, how do they have room? A joke

[JohnnyTapwater]

Would the Wolves have traded Wiggins and #7 for Butler?

[sco]

Would the Wolves have traded Wiggins and #7 for Butler?

I don't think they would have traded Wiggins for Butler straight-up.

[Proven_Winner]

What if the headline read 'Jordan Bell is playing better at summer league than any of the Bulls' -- would that phrasing have sat better with you?

If the message is to just cry and Moan just for the sake of it then I don't care how you phrase it. How long are we going to keep crying about the same thing? Especially at summer league who cares how a guy is playing when we know it means squat. Now if Bell comes and plays actual NBA minutes and plays better than any other bull then we should be worried.

I don't know what to tell you. Jordan Bell looked good at Oregon, he looked good at the combine, and he looks good now. And the Bulls, a talent-stripped org, sold his rights to the reigning champs. We're not supposed to talk about that?

Never said bell didn't look good. Nor did I say you can't talk about it at all. But I'm saying why harp on what you think might've been a mistake and then use summer league to try to prove your point that's weak. I wanted Bell but I'm not crying about it. How many times have people cried and moaned about picking a guy just to find out the guy thy wanted was actually crap? All I'm saying is why even try to discuss Bell when he's not a Bull and then trying to cry about it and using every good thing with him to try and say "see the FO is stupid".

Like I said let's wait and see him play in the league first before we start ranting. What if Bell comes in and is just trash? Then you'd (not saying you specifically ) look stupid for drinking the summer koolaid instead of waiting for something more solid.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

If the message is to just cry and Moan just for the sake of it then I don't care how you phrase it. How long are we going to keep crying about the same thing? Especially at summer league who cares how a guy is playing when we know it means squat. Now if Bell comes and plays actual NBA minutes and plays better than any other bull then we should be worried.

I don't know what to tell you. Jordan Bell looked good at Oregon, he looked good at the combine, and he looks good now. And the Bulls, a talent-stripped org, sold his rights to the reigning champs. We're not supposed to talk about that?

Never said bell didn't look good. Nor did I say you can't talk about it at all. But I'm saying why harp on what you think might've been a mistake and then use summer league to try to prove your point that's weak. I wanted Bell but I'm not crying about it. How many times have people cried and moaned about picking a guy just to find out the guy thy wanted was actually crap? All I'm saying is why even try to discuss Bell when he's not a Bull and then trying to cry about it and using every good thing with him to try and say "see the FO is stupid".

Like I said let's wait and see him play in the league first before we start ranting. What if Bell comes in and is just trash? Then you'd (not saying you specifically ) look stupid for drinking the summer koolaid instead of waiting for something more solid.

I dunno, man. You keep using the words 'wining' and 'moaning' and 'crying' -- folks are just talking. The conversation about Bell kicked off when I posted a Tweet that claimed he's outperformed the summer league Bulls (which is hard to argue with). Not sure why calling out the fact the Bulls may have given away a bona fide player for nothing rankles you so.

[Proven_Winner]

I don't know what to tell you. Jordan Bell looked good at Oregon, he looked good at the combine, and he looks good now. And the Bulls, a talent-stripped org, sold his rights to the reigning champs. We're not supposed to talk about that?

Never said bell didn't look good. Nor did I say you can't talk about it at all. But I'm saying why harp on what you think might've been a mistake and then use summer league to try to prove your point that's weak. I wanted Bell but I'm not crying about it. How many times have people cried and moaned about picking a guy just to find out the guy thy wanted was actually crap? All I'm saying is why even try to discuss Bell when he's not a Bull and then trying to cry about it and using every good thing with him to try and say "see the FO is stupid".

Like I said let's wait and see him play in the league first before we start ranting. What if Bell comes in and is just trash? Then you'd (not saying you specifically ) look stupid for drinking the summer koolaid instead of waiting for something more solid.

I dunno, man. You keep using the words 'wining' and 'moaning' and 'crying' -- folks are just talking. The conversation about Bell kicked off when I posted a Tweet that claimed he's outperformed the summer league Bulls (which is hard to argue with). Not sure why calling out the fact the Bulls may have given away a bona fide player for nothing rankles you so.

My bad I kept trying to find a way to tell u I'm talking about general and not one specific person. I'm talking about the articles I see from media people. Also you're not understanding me at all. I'm saying why are we (again not you or here) counting guys out or getting down or even too high on guys when it's just summer league which has proven to mean not a damn thing. If you can't understand how that's annoying to see every year then I don't know what to say. Maybe it's just me but I believe you truly judge a guy when he puts his foot on an actual nba court where things actually matter.

You could score 100 points but if your goal is the NBA then I could care less about the 100pts you dropped against non NBA players. iMO When you judge a guy you judge him at the highest level. But again that's just me and again I'm not directing any aggression towards you (or at least I'm not trying to do I apologize if it felt that way) it's not easy expressing emotion through a keyboard on my phone. Just joining the conversation.

[rowseyna]

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Denzel Valentine
32 MIN, 9-17 (52.9%) FG, 5 REB, 6 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, +17, 21 PTS

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Brady Heslip
32 MIN, 10-18 (55.6%) FG, 8-15 (53.3%) 3P, 2 AST, 1 STL, +18, 28 PTS

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Ryan Arcidiacono
35 MIN, 6-9 (66.7%) FG, 3-4 (75%) 3P, 8 REB, 7 AST, 2 STL, +10, 16 PTS

Duje Dukan
29 MIN, 5-12 (41.7%) FG, 4 REB, 4 AST, 2 STL, +10, 12 PTS

Chris Walker
21 MIN, 3-7 (42.9%) FG, 11 REB, 1 AST, 3 BLK, +8, 9 PTS

[rowseyna]

Final SL Stats:

Lauri Markkanen
3 GP, 32.8 MPG, 29.3% FG, 24% 3P, 92.3% FT, .7 TOVPG, 1.7 PFPG, 9 RPG, 1 APG, 1 SPG, 1.7 BPG, 14 PPG, 44.9% TS, 36.6% eFG, 19.5 PER

Denzel Valentine
5 GP, 32.8 MPG, 35.1% FG, 26.3% 3P, 100% FT, 3.4 TOVPG, 3 PFPG, 6.2 RPG, 3.6 APG, 2 SPG, .2 BPG, 13 PPG, 43.1% TS, 41.9% eFG, 11.8 PER

Kris Dunn
1 GP, 30.3 MPG, 25% FG, 33.3% 3P, 100% FT, 2 TOVPG, 6 PFPG, 4 RPG, 3 APG, 0 SPG, 1 BPG, 11 PPG, 40% TS, 29.2% eFG, 7.5 PER

Cameron Payne
2 GP, 28.5 MPG, 34.6% FG, 16.7% 3P, 75% FT, 3.5 TOVPG, 2.5 PFPG, 3.5 RPG, 2.5 APG, 0 SPG, 0 BPG, 11.5 PPG, 41.4% TS, 38.5% eFG, 6 PER

Paul Zipser
1 GP, 29.7 MPG, 27.3% FG, 16.7% 3P, 75% FT, 2 TOVPG, 5 PFPG, 5 RPG, 2 APG, 0 SPG, 0 BPG, 10 PPG, 39.2% TS, 31.8% eFG, 5.2 PER

Antonio Blakeney
4 GP, 26.7 MPG, 43.8% FG, 64.3% 3P, 64% FT, 1 TOVPG, 1.5 PFPG, 5 RPG, .5 APG, .8 SPG, 0 BPG, 16.8 PPG, 56.8% TS, 53.1% eFG, 22.7 PER

[tedwilliams1999]

I went back and watched the first half of our first Summer League game (I have a lot of free time right now), and we actually look really good, particularly on the defensive end. We were hanging with Dallas, who is like 9-0 in both summer leagues combined now. Each player played his role perfectly, all the way down to Payne as the tank commander (he was still terrible).

Dunn with two sloppy plays that nearly led to turnovers, but otherwise he flashed a ton of athleticism and the usual elite defense. He also has great vision, but needs to reign in some of his passes a bit. Often tries to do a bit too much, but he knows how where to find his big man on the roll. He just needs to work on that handle, which is the key to unlocking the rest of his offensive game. He also gambles a few times too many on defense, though it often pays off. My favorite aspect of Dunn's game: he plays with the intensity of a thousand Bobby Portises. He's gonna win over the home crowd pretty quick, especially if he's able to show any improvement on the offensive end. I really wonder what went wrong with him in Minnesota, because he still looks like an elite prospect, with respects to defense, vision, rebounding, penetrating, and intangibles. Just needs to tighten up the handle, and work on improving his shooting.

Denzel was also very impressive in this one half that I re-watched. He truly does excel when he's able to play the role of 2nd or 3rd creator. He's best off some actions, using a pick and roll while the defense isn't set. His vision is off the charts. The lack of athleticism is going to limit him in the NBA as a #1 or #2 option on offense, even if he comes off the bench, but he has a really high ceiling as a high IQ role player. Again, I was most impressed by his defensive rebounding and his help defense, both of which were incredibly improved since last year. His IQ on the defensive end is amazing, and I think Dunn ball-hawking, Valentine is going to pick up a lot of easy steals as the free safety - he had at least 2 in that first half that I watched. After last year's summer league, most of us were just hoping he could eventually be average on defense, but after watching his technical improvement, I'm projecting him as a well above average help defender now. This significantly raises his ceiling, and I think he could potentially become an elite role player. If he can shoot 40+ percent from three on high volume, like he did in college, be a tertiary playmaker on the court, rebound the ball, and become an above average help defender, I'd be ecstatic.

Lauri - the offensive game is a work in progress, but the potential is off the charts. He actually seems like he has really good vision, and he had several very good looks during this first half. He moves his feet incredibly well for a guy his size on the perimeter, so he should be very effective at hedging pick and rolls, and hanging with guards on switches. I'm still all aboard the Dennis Smith Jr hype train, but I would only be slightly surprised if Lauri ends up becoming the better player.

Zipser - he's put on a ton of weight - there were at least two plays where some one ran into him and basically fell to the floor instantly. I'm guessing he has one of those body type that'll naturally get a big chunkier as he puts on mass. Hard to evaluate him until he cuts down on the fat when the season starts. Seems like he projects as a decent back up 3/4 going forward.

[sco]

I've never been a Randy Brown fan, but given the lack of talent on our SL squad, their ball movement and defensive effort were actually good.

Our big problems were Payne and and getting manhandled down low.