NBA Trade Thread # 3

[rtblues]

Cousins? COUSINS??? Really? Seriously??
NO! Hardest pass ever!

[sco]

Guys, just press FOE under Kukoc-Lauri profile.. it will make your life easier! its neverending story with him..

In support of Kukoc-Lauri, this board thrives on divergent opinions and Kukoc-Lauri has the sort that spur passionate debate. For example if we all through Lauri should go, our threads would read:

Lauri should go.

Yeah

+1 dude

That's boring.

[FriedRise]

Read on Twitter

Sounds like Zach and Thad are here to stay (and obviously PW too).

[ChettheJet]

A sign of things to come.

MINN fires Ryan Saunders.

That's what a losing team does, it fires the coach. What follows is a period where the players get the message that they're on the hot seat to improve the record or they're the next change to be made. Since the management has seen these guys for a couple of years if there isn't some serious improvement before the trade deadline you could see a flurry of trades that start setting things up for next year. Shipping out the veterans, getting expiring contracts and draft picks to begin the rebuild. If the Bulls have been looking at dealing with MINN it might be time to pull the trigger.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Once again, swing and a miss.

- Thad doesn't need to play 35-40 minutes a night, LaVine plays the heaviest minutes for the Bulls and he's at a tad under 36.
- Again Markkanen isn't relevant because whether he's here or not there's minutes for both.
- Actually a veteran like Thad is completely relevant for a rebuilding team, both on the court and off the court as we're seeing this season.
- So 3 second round picks that panned out is your argument? Also lol at including Bol Bol.
- The Bulls have cap space and a significant part of attracting FAs is having capable players to help them win, players like Thad Young. You think that potential FAs are going to want to come to Chicago if the FO is trading away players that help win games? The answer is no.

As for your financial flexibility angle, that lends itself to not spending money on an injury prone big that offers nothing outside of scoring (inconsistently at that). So by your own logic the FO should be doing their utmost to get Lauri off this team for an asset ASAP so they maintain financial flexibility for the future.

Again Arturas Karnisovas would dismissed you very same moment you downplayed arguments of second round pick. Mvp Nikola Jokic at 44 is my argument. For you that is laughable that only shows your knowledge or lack the same. It is hard for me to imagine, that for guys like John Collins,Lonzo Ball is dream to play with Thaddeus Young 12 ppg role player for his career. Even more confusing is theory that Young is reason Bulls are 13-16, when whole season you are trying to downplay Lavine teammates in wins (Lavine is carrying us like superstar) or in losses, he dont have enough help, Young as role player is not good enough, we need star teamate for Lavine. Guess what John Collins refused 90/4 offer from Hawks, so if John have a choice to play for Bulls for 90/4 and Young as his veteran help and menthor or to sign for 110/4 for Bulls with PWill,Carter,Gafford as his running mates in rotation, i can assure you he will choose 15-20 mil more. So you need free money to slightly overpay those kind of free agents in hope they grow in production to become all stars, kind of Lavine's current contract. Youngs points and rebounds can be replaced and outpreformed by John Collins,Jarett Allen,Andre Drummond and you still have Marko Simonovic your draft and stash pick from last year who could fill backup minutes. Veteran presence can be aquired for veteran minimum guys like Taj Gibson,Jared Dudley or for 5 mil like Temple this year.

This one has missed by much more than the last one.

-You're hitching your wagon to one second round pick that has panned out, I honestly can't believe you think a Jokic is going to pop out again the odds are very minimal and giving up Thad for this miniscule chance is ridiculous.
- I know it must be hard for you to imagine because I don't think you understand how team-building works, it's not about Thad being a player that FA's "dream" about playing with but it's about Thad being an important piece of what they signed here to do and that is win a championship. It's actually not a difficult concept to understand, teams need valuable role players and your comment about him being just a 12ppg guy is also proof that you don't understand the impact he brings.
- Why are you comparing John Collins and Thad Young's production? What is it with you and making irrelevant and ridiculous comparisons? Young would be backing up Collins and playing alongside him in situational lineups, having two impact players rather than one.
- Marko Simonovic is no guarantee to even come to the NBA let alone actually be a productive player, you seem to have very little idea about how difficult it is to nail second round picks.
- Yes you can get vet minimum guys like that but Taj Gibson and Jared Dudley aren't providing the on/off court impact that Thad is, again this is you not understanding how building a team works.

Knicks traded Morris for late first last seson. 26 pick was E.Quickly. Thad is lesser player than Morris so two second rounders. Hidden gem for me as draft express or at least cheap rotational players R.Jokubaitis pg new Dragic, M.Cazalon Diaw Pietrus type, A.Hupokorti center, Scottie Lewis Smart type.That is additional asset you can stash or sign for cheap. 14,2 Young salary addition to cap. Young free agents available for price Gary Trent,Jarett Allen,Devonte Graham,Duncan Robinson,Richuan Holmes,Kendrick Nunn,Josh Hart. Vet or players in prime available for 14,2 Harell,Barton,Dinwidde,Gay. That is only for Thagic salary. Add 5-10 milions on that (Bulls have that money) J.Collins,Drummond,Derozan,Lowry,Fournier,Schroeder,Aldrige. Players available for mle type or less salary Noel,Whiteside,Oubrey,G.Dragic,Theis,Finney. So Young was awful last year and had negattive value. His play is average this year and in combination with his high salary his value in cost/production is neutral at best. Young players that signed extensions in last couple of years more athlethic,productive,talented players with better value then Thad, free agent signing 3/45
D.Murray 14 mil annual salary, Barton 13,7, T.Ross 13,5, M.Beasley 13,5,C.Wood 13,Smart 13, Nurkic 13,Roberto Covington 12,Clarkson 11,J.Richardson 10,Kcp 12,T.J.Warren 12,Nance Jr. 11,Zubac 7, Saric 7, J.Poeltl 8, Royce O'Neal 8,Melton 9,5. So Thad at best case have neutral value. Obviously you have great sympathy for Thad, i want Bulls to used their assets and cap money wise. Trade Thad for two second rounders Nets,Clippers have 2 rp from Hawks,Cavs,Hornets , easily can converted in early second rounder. Draft Jokubaitis and Hupokorti, sign longterm deals or be flexible and stash them. Sign Garry Trent or Holmes/Allen/D.Robinson/Harrell for that additional free money 15 or Collins/Lowry/Oladipofor 20-25. Vet presence for minimum Gibson/Milsap. To find hidden gems in in second round or undrafted, you need eye for talent and vision, not GarPax signing 32yo role players on lucrative deals. Raptors found Boucher,Davis, Nuggets Jokic,Morris, Heat Robinsin,Nunn, Lakers Horton Tucker,Caruso, Celtics Theis, Bucks Caunaghton,basically all good teams where able to do that. Even teams with notorious bad draft picks change their course and focus on finding diamonds in rough Devonte Graham srp, Houston House, and so on. Bulls had better draft positions and came with little to show. Even when they had cap space they spend 25 mil on Young/Sato and miss Brogdon for 18. I believe Arturas is smart guy and that he will trade Young before dead line.

[Threekola]

Been trying to figure out what vet point guard we could pick up for a while, and saw Wall brought up, wonder what that would cost. Otto would have to head back to match salaries, but I have to thank Houston would just want to get out of that salary.

Haven't seen him much this year so I'm wondering why his assists are way down, but if he could get Zach and Lauri shots primarily then be opportunistic with his offense as the third option, maybe we could stabilize the starting lineup. White and Thad leading the bench would be pretty good. Seems to me our biggest problem in making the next step is while our bench is fantastic, we just can't keep up against elite teams' starters.

[LateNight]

Bulls Outsiders still on there “Thad Young for two second rounders” BS.

[weneeda2guard]

Been trying to figure out what vet point guard we could pick up for a while, and saw Wall brought up, wonder what that would cost. Otto would have to head back to match salaries, but I have to thank Houston would just want to get out of that salary.

Haven't seen him much this year so I'm wondering why his assists are way down, but if he could get Zach and Lauri shots primarily then be opportunistic with his offense as the third option, maybe we could stabilize the starting lineup. White and Thad leading the bench would be pretty good. Seems to me our biggest problem in making the next step is while our bench is fantastic, we just can't keep up against elite teams' starters.

I been having the same Idea for the past few months

If no big deal is made

A smaller move that could work is a satoransky 2nd rd pick for ish Smith and Robin lopez

Both ish and lopez are on 1 year deals so they wouldn't hurt our cap at all going into free agency and if they both work out well we could sign our big fish 1st then bring them both back for cheap..and let's say we can land a Drummond etc lopez would be a good big next to him. Ish Smith is a cheap addition who is a vet knows his role so he won't come in trying to take shots from anyone and runs offense well. He also can make big shots and can get to the rim. They fill 2 holes and could help us for a playoff run. Wizards may do it because Sato played very well for them a few years ago. Wizards also could wave the white flag on the season especially after the all star break.

[othawhitemeat]

Again Arturas Karnisovas would dismissed you very same moment you downplayed arguments of second round pick. Mvp Nikola Jokic at 44 is my argument. For you that is laughable that only shows your knowledge or lack the same. It is hard for me to imagine, that for guys like John Collins,Lonzo Ball is dream to play with Thaddeus Young 12 ppg role player for his career. Even more confusing is theory that Young is reason Bulls are 13-16, when whole season you are trying to downplay Lavine teammates in wins (Lavine is carrying us like superstar) or in losses, he dont have enough help, Young as role player is not good enough, we need star teamate for Lavine. Guess what John Collins refused 90/4 offer from Hawks, so if John have a choice to play for Bulls for 90/4 and Young as his veteran help and menthor or to sign for 110/4 for Bulls with PWill,Carter,Gafford as his running mates in rotation, i can assure you he will choose 15-20 mil more. So you need free money to slightly overpay those kind of free agents in hope they grow in production to become all stars, kind of Lavine's current contract. Youngs points and rebounds can be replaced and outpreformed by John Collins,Jarett Allen,Andre Drummond and you still have Marko Simonovic your draft and stash pick from last year who could fill backup minutes. Veteran presence can be aquired for veteran minimum guys like Taj Gibson,Jared Dudley or for 5 mil like Temple this year.

This one has missed by much more than the last one.

-You're hitching your wagon to one second round pick that has panned out, I honestly can't believe you think a Jokic is going to pop out again the odds are very minimal and giving up Thad for this miniscule chance is ridiculous.
- I know it must be hard for you to imagine because I don't think you understand how team-building works, it's not about Thad being a player that FA's "dream" about playing with but it's about Thad being an important piece of what they signed here to do and that is win a championship. It's actually not a difficult concept to understand, teams need valuable role players and your comment about him being just a 12ppg guy is also proof that you don't understand the impact he brings.
- Why are you comparing John Collins and Thad Young's production? What is it with you and making irrelevant and ridiculous comparisons? Young would be backing up Collins and playing alongside him in situational lineups, having two impact players rather than one.
- Marko Simonovic is no guarantee to even come to the NBA let alone actually be a productive player, you seem to have very little idea about how difficult it is to nail second round picks.
- Yes you can get vet minimum guys like that but Taj Gibson and Jared Dudley aren't providing the on/off court impact that Thad is, again this is you not understanding how building a team works.

Knicks traded Morris for late first last seson. 26 pick was E.Quickly. Thad is lesser player than Morris so two second rounders. Hidden gem for me as draft express or at least cheap rotational players R.Jokubaitis pg new Dragic, M.Cazalon Diaw Pietrus type, A.Hupokorti center, Scottie Lewis Smart type.That is additional asset you can stash or sign for cheap. 14,2 Young salary addition to cap. Young free agents available for price Gary Trent,Jarett Allen,Devonte Graham,Duncan Robinson,Richuan Holmes,Kendrick Nunn,Josh Hart. Vet or players in prime available for 14,2 Harell,Barton,Dinwidde,Gay. That is only for Thagic salary. Add 5-10 milions on that (Bulls have that money) J.Collins,Drummond,Derozan,Lowry,Fournier,Schroeder,Aldrige. Players available for mle type or less salary Noel,Whiteside,Oubrey,G.Dragic,Theis,Finney. So Young was awful last year and had negattive value. His play is average this year and in combination with his high salary his value in cost/production is neutral at best. Young players that signed extensions in last couple of years more athlethic,productive,talented players with better value then Thad, free agent signing 3/45
D.Murray 14 mil annual salary, Barton 13,7, T.Ross 13,5, M.Beasley 13,5,C.Wood 13,Smart 13, Nurkic 13,Roberto Covington 12,Clarkson 11,J.Richardson 10,Kcp 12,T.J.Warren 12,Nance Jr. 11,Zubac 7, Saric 7, J.Poeltl 8, Royce O'Neal 8,Melton 9,5. So Thad at best case have neutral value. Obviously you have great sympathy for Thad, i want Bulls to used their assets and cap money wise. Trade Thad for two second rounders Nets,Clippers have 2 rp from Hawks,Cavs,Hornets , easily can converted in early second rounder. Draft Jokubaitis and Hupokorti, sign longterm deals or be flexible and stash them. Sign Garry Trent or Holmes/Allen/D.Robinson/Harrell for that additional free money 15 or Collins/Lowry/Oladipofor 20-25. Vet presence for minimum Gibson/Milsap. To find hidden gems in in second round or undrafted, you need eye for talent and vision, not GarPax signing 32yo role players on lucrative deals. Raptors found Boucher,Davis, Nuggets Jokic,Morris, Heat Robinsin,Nunn, Lakers Horton Tucker,Caruso, Celtics Theis, Bucks Caunaghton,basically all good teams where able to do that. Even teams with notorious bad draft picks change their course and focus on finding diamonds in rough Devonte Graham srp, Houston House, and so on. Bulls had better draft positions and came with little to show. Even when they had cap space they spend 25 mil on Young/Sato and miss Brogdon for 18. I believe Arturas is smart guy and that he will trade Young before dead line.

I only came here to defend Thad compared to Morris. Morris is younger and a better 3 point shooter, but Thad is a much better influence for any team, is probably a little more sturdy in terms of defense up front, a much better passer, higher basketball IQ, etc... In terms of trade value, I could see where Thad Young could be a missing piece for a team such as the Nets, Sixers, Bucks, Clippers, Lakers, Portland, GS, Suns, Jazz, Spurs, etc... I would value Thad over either Morris other than age for sure and 3 point shooting.

Stating that, I would not trade Thad Young for 2 2nd rounders.

[TheHrvReport]

I thought it was a little odd that Donovan mentioned he has a pre-trade deadline meeting coming up with AK to discuss the status of the team. These things are usually not made public until after the fact. I don't see AK making any major trades especially since the morale of the team is high at this point with how close we are to a playoff spot. It's a tough situation, do you continue to build the young cores confidence and our record in hopes of clinching a playoff birth or do you acquire assets for the vets even though that likely means this team will bottom out (the young core has proven they can't do it on their own) ?

[CaPiTanAK]

I thought it was a little odd that Donovan mentioned he has a pre-trade deadline meeting coming up with AK to discuss the status of the team. These things are usually not made public until after the fact. I don't see AK making any major trades especially since the morale of the team is high at this point with how close we are to a playoff spot. It's a tough situation, do you continue to build the young cores confidence and our record in hopes of clinching a playoff birth or do you acquire assets for the vets even though that likely means this team will bottom out (the young core has proven they can't do it on their own) ?

This team looks like it's going to make the playoff once we dump the GarPax crap contracts over this summer, and add in a few FAs over the summer.

Our current feel good status right now shouldn't deter us from making trades that will help the team in the long run starting next year. Lavine is in a good relationship with the coaching staff/VP/GM, and will acquiesce.

Major recruitment needs to be done by Mr. Lavine over this All-Star Break.

[othawhitemeat]

I thought it was a little odd that Donovan mentioned he has a pre-trade deadline meeting coming up with AK to discuss the status of the team. These things are usually not made public until after the fact. I don't see AK making any major trades especially since the morale of the team is high at this point with how close we are to a playoff spot. It's a tough situation, do you continue to build the young cores confidence and our record in hopes of clinching a playoff birth or do you acquire assets for the vets even though that likely means this team will bottom out (the young core has proven they can't do it on their own) ?

In all honesty, that is quite the dilemma. In most years, I would say stay steady. However, the trends from playoffs to being completely out of playoffs and having a chance to get high lottery intrigue me. I don't think we will top the odds over the Pistons, Cavs, or TWolves, but after that, I think we could do well to finish anywhere from 4-7. If you can get the right assets, I would trade this year because this is a very talented 1-5 draft. Maybe not a Lebron or Curry, but a next level. I just don't see Lauri, Coby, or Carter being core pillars. Carter I think could be good if paired with another front court big that can space/rebound (Mobley type). White could be good I think off the bench or paired with a creating SF such as Cunningham and sliding PWill to the 4. This year is a crazy year with Covid and also we have Felicio/Porter Jr and possibilities to get out of Sato/Thad if we wanted more space. Lauri will be a FA. I just think this is the year to take a chance to tank and rebuild quickly if get the right pick along with cap space. Zach is starting to shine, it seems like Billy D does well meshing vets with young players, and if we get an all star type talent to partner with Zach, then we can go somewhere. However, if we are just middling in between, I don't know what we can do to really develop as the free agency is slim outside of young players to take chances on, or a Drummond type that can help but also limit our offense as you don't build around max players at Centers unless you have multiple scoring options (Jazz are trying with Gobert, but they still need one more scoring option).

[FriedRise]

Bulls Outsiders still on there “Thad Young for two second rounders” BS.

I like listening to them because I can never get enough of Bulls content, but them making fun of Thad Young's stats of 11/6/4 in the last episode felt odd and out of place given how impactful he's been on this team. Is Draymond Green a useless player because he's averaging 5/6/8 for the season? For die hard Bulls fans, they should know better than box-score watching.

Thad only plays 25mpg. I don't know if he still has it in him to play starter minutes, but his P36 number is up there for an undersized center:
16p/8r/6a/2s shooting nearly 60% FG

He's also very durable and always available - something that's unfortunately rare for this team.

Billy Donovan's system is tailor-made for his skillset that he's pretty much having the best season of his entire career on both offense and defense. Another thing to consider: if Zach calls Thad the MVP of this team, we're gonna run the risk of pissing him off if we do end up trading him. Unless it's for a package that you can't refuse (bringing even more help for Zach), it can negatively affect things long term. Two second rounders may sound nice, but they're more likely landing you players like Paul Zipser and Daniel Gafford who aren't gonna help us much now or in the future.

[sco]

Bulls Outsiders still on there “Thad Young for two second rounders” BS.

I like listening to them because I can never get enough of Bulls content, but them making fun of Thad Young's stats of 11/6/4 in the last episode felt odd and out of place given how impactful he's been on this team. Is Draymond Green a useless player because he's averaging 5/6/8 for the season? For die hard Bulls fans, they should know better than box-score watching.

Thad only plays 25mpg. I don't know if he still has it in him to play starter minutes, but his P36 number is up there for an undersized center:
16p/8r/6a/2s shooting nearly 60% FG

He's also very durable and always available - something that's unfortunately rare for this team.

Billy Donovan's system is tailor-made for his skillset that he's pretty much having the best season of his entire career on both offense and defense. Another thing to consider: if Zach calls Thad the MVP of this team, we're gonna run the risk of pissing him off if we do end up trading him. Unless it's for a package that you can't refuse (bringing even more help for Zach), it can negatively affect things long term. Two second rounders may sound nice, but they're more likely landing you players like Paul Zipser and Daniel Gafford who aren't gonna help us much now or in the future.

Yeah...2nd rounders so rarely become even useful rotation players, I'd much rather keep Thad. I'm doubting he fetches a 1st higher than the mid-20's (which I might do, but would have to think hard about it), we might luck into a young player who is on the bench of a good team like NAW or THT. Short of that, I'd much rather keep Thad and trade Lauri.

[CaPiTanAK]

I'll call all the top 10-15 teams and offer Thaddeus Young for this year first rounder. There will come a point when some of these championship contending team will be fine with trading first rounder in order to add more depth for that playoff run.

[BullChit]

Bulls Outsiders still on there “Thad Young for two second rounders” BS.

I like listening to them because I can never get enough of Bulls content, but them making fun of Thad Young's stats of 11/6/4 in the last episode felt odd and out of place given how impactful he's been on this team. Is Draymond Green a useless player because he's averaging 5/6/8 for the season? For die hard Bulls fans, they should know better than box-score watching.

Thad only plays 25mpg. I don't know if he still has it in him to play starter minutes, but his P36 number is up there for an undersized center:
16p/8r/6a/2s shooting nearly 60% FG

He's also very durable and always available - something that's unfortunately rare for this team.

Billy Donovan's system is tailor-made for his skillset that he's pretty much having the best season of his entire career on both offense and defense. Another thing to consider: if Zach calls Thad the MVP of this team, we're gonna run the risk of pissing him off if we do end up trading him. Unless it's for a package that you can't refuse (bringing even more help for Zach), it can negatively affect things long term. Two second rounders may sound nice, but they're more likely landing you players like Paul Zipser and Daniel Gafford who aren't gonna help us much now or in the future.

I love the outsiders but I was very put off by this.

I got what they were saying but trashing his stats was the wrong way to make their point.

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[weneeda2guard]

If you got a 1st for thad you can take him. Would help our package if we decide to make a run at beal or KAT etc. If not we can keep him even for next year for cheap.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

For me Young is not cheap at all. His contract is 14,5. If Bulls traded him last season (it was impossibille because he played like crap) we would have money to sign Christian Wood this offseason. That is mistake we should not repeat this free agency in pursuit of Gary Trent (my pick) or Jarett Allen.

[LateNight]

If you got a 1st for thad you can take him. Would help our package if we decide to make a run at beal or KAT etc. If not we can keep him even for next year for cheap.

at this point, I would rather keep Thad. And I’d much rather keep him than have KAT.

Thad makes everyone better (on an affordable contract) - KAT seems to do the opposite (on a max contract).

[StunnerKO]

Kyle Lowry or Lonzo please