OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

[Bandit King]

No future in Average Andy go with the rookie!

[sco]

No future in Average Andy go with the rookie!

IMO it is gonna take a few weeks for the OLine to gel. Better to let Dalton be the tackling dummy and give Fields time to observe.

[dice]

No future in Average Andy go with the rookie!

IMO it is gonna take a few weeks for the OLine to gel. Better to let Dalton be the tackling dummy and give Fields time to observe.

assuming that fields is on the standard rookie learning curve, i'd tend to agree. but maybe he shines in camp/preseason

[fleet]

No future in Average Andy go with the rookie!

IMO it is gonna take a few weeks for the OLine to gel. Better to let Dalton be the tackling dummy and give Fields time to observe.

assuming that fields is on the standard rookie learning curve, i'd tend to agree. but maybe he shines in camp/preseason

NFL QBs don’t learn holding a clipboard on the sidelines. The popular fiction about sitting for a year is so overblown. NFL is a learning process on the field during games at high speed. The sooner he gets out there, the better the Bears will be more quickly down the line. Wasted time on Dalton will have the fans and media breathing down the Bears neck. Hopefully they use the right calculus and are blowing smoke trying to tamp down expectations.

[transplant]

The key thing to me is that I want Nagy to have an open mind. He says he will. At this point, that's all that needs to be said.

[fleet]

The key thing to me is that I want Nagy to have an open mind. He says he will. At this point, that's all that needs to be said.

The aggravation from fans and media comes from insider reporting that the Bears have chosen a preferred path of Dalton rather than a wait and see it unfold approach. They have not contradicted “QB1” gate. But Nagy did say Dalton will get first team reps instead of saying Dalton will get the job week 1. He said that in response to a media firestorm of incredulous opining from local and national media as well as Bears fans online. We dont know if he means it, but “first team reps” is only a training camp reference. But again, the Ian Rapaports of the world keep blowing the Bears cover.

[transplant]

The key thing to me is that I want Nagy to have an open mind. He says he will. At this point, that's all that needs to be said.

The aggravation from fans and media comes from insider reporting that the Bears have chosen a preferred path of Dalton rather than a wait and see it unfold approach. They have not contradicted “QB1” gate. But Nagy did say Dalton will get first team reps instead of saying Dalton will get the job week 1. He said that in response to a media firestorm of incredulous opining from local and national media as well as Bears fans online. We dont know if he means it, but “first team reps” is only a training camp reference. But again, the Ian Rapaports of the world keep blowing the Bears cover.

Yeah, I've been following the national stuff. I'd describe it as "in a perfect world" Nagy would start Dalton because he gives the team the best chance to win. In my "perfect world," Justin Fields is so good in training camp that it's clear he gives the team the best chance to win so he starts game 1.

[dice]

IMO it is gonna take a few weeks for the OLine to gel. Better to let Dalton be the tackling dummy and give Fields time to observe.

assuming that fields is on the standard rookie learning curve, i'd tend to agree. but maybe he shines in camp/preseason

NFL QBs don’t learn holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

certainly doesn't hurt them given that the best of the past 20 years sat to start their careers

[fleet]

assuming that fields is on the standard rookie learning curve, i'd tend to agree. but maybe he shines in camp/preseason

NFL QBs don’t learn holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

certainly doesn't hurt them given that the best of the past 20 years sat to start their careers

Doubtful it helped the bad ones either. That’s one of those unprovable things where corellation to a popular, almost universal approach cannot be disproven by a control group. Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck and Troy Aikman didn’t seem too traumatized anyway. If you’re good, you’re good. If you’re bad, you can sit for years and you’re still bad. That’s my instinct.

[fleet]

The key thing to me is that I want Nagy to have an open mind. He says he will. At this point, that's all that needs to be said.

The aggravation from fans and media comes from insider reporting that the Bears have chosen a preferred path of Dalton rather than a wait and see it unfold approach. They have not contradicted “QB1” gate. But Nagy did say Dalton will get first team reps instead of saying Dalton will get the job week 1. He said that in response to a media firestorm of incredulous opining from local and national media as well as Bears fans online. We dont know if he means it, but “first team reps” is only a training camp reference. But again, the Ian Rapaports of the world keep blowing the Bears cover.

Yeah, I've been following the national stuff. I'd describe it as "in a perfect world" Nagy would start Dalton because he gives the team the best chance to win. In my "perfect world," Justin Fields is so good in training camp that it's clear he gives the team the best chance to win so he starts game 1.

All I would say is that Justin Fields is the future. We are all in. Dalton will be a trivia question. We shouldn’t be worried about “winning”. We should just get this guy up in the saddle and off training wheels as quick as possible. There is really no other concern that amounts to anything that matters.

[Jcool0]

assuming that fields is on the standard rookie learning curve, i'd tend to agree. but maybe he shines in camp/preseason

NFL QBs don’t learn holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

certainly doesn't hurt them given that the best of the past 20 years sat to start their careers

If the Bears had a top 15 QB on the roster maybe Fields would sit.

[transplant]

The aggravation from fans and media comes from insider reporting that the Bears have chosen a preferred path of Dalton rather than a wait and see it unfold approach. They have not contradicted “QB1” gate. But Nagy did say Dalton will get first team reps instead of saying Dalton will get the job week 1. He said that in response to a media firestorm of incredulous opining from local and national media as well as Bears fans online. We dont know if he means it, but “first team reps” is only a training camp reference. But again, the Ian Rapaports of the world keep blowing the Bears cover.

Yeah, I've been following the national stuff. I'd describe it as "in a perfect world" Nagy would start Dalton because he gives the team the best chance to win. In my "perfect world," Justin Fields is so good in training camp that it's clear he gives the team the best chance to win so he starts game 1.

All I would say is that Justin Fields is the future. We are all in. Dalton will be a trivia question. We shouldn’t be worried about “winning”. We should just get this guy up in the saddle and off training wheels as quick as possible. There is really no other concern that amounts to anything that matters.

In the NFL, if you're not in a clear rebuilding mode, which the Bears aren't, you have to be concerned about winning.

[dice]

NFL QBs don’t learn holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

certainly doesn't hurt them given that the best of the past 20 years sat to start their careers

Doubtful it helped the bad ones either. That’s one of those unprovable things where corellation to a popular, almost universal approach cannot be disproven by a control group. Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck and Troy Aikman didn’t seem too traumatized anyway. If you’re good, you’re good. If you’re bad, you can sit for years and you’re still bad. That’s my instinct.

i think it's certainly true that in the long-term a player is not markedly affected one way or the other. the cream inevitably rises to the top. the question is the short-term effect. does getting thrown into the fire too quickly potentially shatter confidence and hinder development? and my answer would be that it depends on the mentality of the player

[dice]

Yeah, I've been following the national stuff. I'd describe it as "in a perfect world" Nagy would start Dalton because he gives the team the best chance to win. In my "perfect world," Justin Fields is so good in training camp that it's clear he gives the team the best chance to win so he starts game 1.

All I would say is that Justin Fields is the future. We are all in. Dalton will be a trivia question. We shouldn’t be worried about “winning”. We should just get this guy up in the saddle and off training wheels as quick as possible. There is really no other concern that amounts to anything that matters.

In the NFL, if you're not in a clear rebuilding mode, which the Bears aren't, you have to be concerned about winning.

i would say that if you have no legitimate prospect of contending, there's no real reason to be concerned about maximizing wins (going from 6 to 8, say). it's hard for me to see a legit path to contention for the bears this year. and actually the only conceivable scenario involves justin fields wowing from the get-go. so starting dalton at the beginning of the season really doesn't make sense unless it somehow benefits justin fields's development

i think that fields should be in there as soon as it's clear that he's even close to dalton's level. that may become apparent early in training camp. alternately, the team gets off to a bad start and fields gets thrown in there even if there are substantial doubts about his readiness

[fleet]

^^^^^^^

[Susan]

They're playing the media, locally nobody is really buying into it on the sports radio side. It's more of a national story.

If Fields beats out Dalton, it's the Bears/Nagy saying "HOLY ****, THIS KID IS A STAR" Nationally by saying "Our plan was to start Dalton but Fields was THAT great that he beat him out". Nagy has been on National AND local media way more than ever while locally (the Bears' beat reporters and Bears blogosphere) has been ALL about how great Fields is. They know he's a star, he'll be starting week 1.

[CjayC]

Yeah I feel like its more gamesmanship on Nagy's part too. Nagy said while the situation is "similar" to his time in KC, it's not really the "same". Dalton isn't at the level Alex Smith was, and being honest he's probably ahead of where Mahomes started in terms of pro readiness(Not saying he's gonna be as good as Pat AT ALL). The tangible things Nagy mentioned for Fields were learning how to practice like a pro, the line cadence, and running the huddle.

Fields himself said the passing concepts are similar to what he ran at Ohio State. Nagy also said he'd be crazy to not add stuff that Fields was comfortable with doing. If Dalton starts, I don't think it'll very long before they switch. I definitely want Fields to "take it" from Dalton in camp, but if he doesn't he'll be hard to ignore for long. Fields just adds a whole new wrinkle to the Bears offense.

[heir_jordan22]

Alot of guys never get the chance to shine. In college my dorm floor put together a intramural team.

Are quarterback was just some 6'3" inch former high school receiver who happened to have a rocket for a arm. He was a great athlete, and tossed perfect spirals, but the rest of our team sucked.

We also had a little 5'6" or so Italian guy at running back who had quick moves and was extremely shifty and hard to grab a flag from.

The make shift dorm room team won more games than my frat team did the following year in the same competition.

The frat team drank more, and 1/2 the guys showed up drunk or hung-over on game day. I can't blame them. as I was also one of the drunk guys who usually played on the line.

We were just a bunch of dumb slow meatheads who worked out all day, and drank almost every night.

For me. this pretty much explains my first run at college life. "Work out. Try to look good, sell plazma, and get enough money for beer and a party".

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I had to fail first before the real world hit me and woke me up. It wasn't until later on I got stuck at a job and made a choice to change my ways and become more serious in my study's.

Once I realized I was the problem, within just a few years I was able to turn around things really fast. I was able to pull myself out of a hole I dug for myself in less then a year.

Worked three jobs including a night shift at UPS, did all my homework during lectures, made the deans list every semester.

I interviewed at IBM consulting for a mock practice college setup interview, and told them my struggles. I said "All these other guys have it easy, I'm working three jobs. I work so I could go to school. School is secondary, and I'm still making the deans list and out performing all these other guys". IBM consulting gave me a unexpected offer I could not refuse a few days later.

I took the job, dropped my classes, and finished up later.

I had my own house and was driving a BMW by the age of 26. I did it the hard way!


Also please spare the bull crap this only happened because I was white. I worked on a very diverse young team. We had four Black Americans, Three Asians. Three Middle Eastern's from both Pakistan and India. And five Europeans when we started out. Only two of the European's were US born, and three were born in other countries, Russia, Poland, and Canada.

Today I only keep in touch with two from that team. Both are my same age and although we have switched jobs, we have all pretty much hopped to the same companies and worked the majority of are careers together through recommendations. I keep in touch with the Polish guy, and one of the black guys. Both of them are very successful today. Were friends for life and have all taken vacations together.

Is anyone else wondering what prompted this interlude in the thread?

[heir_jordan22]

I think the Bears are finally handling a qb situation correctly. They drafted a bridge qb, they lucked into drafting a guy with star potential, and they're saying the bridge guy is the starter.

You have to have a good relationship with veterans and agents in the league. If you say "you're the starter," then you have to stick with it.

If Fields is better than Dalton in practice then it will be obvious, and nobody will be butthurt that Fields is handed the keys to the car. Plus the o-line definitely needs time to gel before you throw your future franchise guy in there, I completely agree with the general sentiment in that regard.

[RedBulls23]

IMO it is gonna take a few weeks for the OLine to gel. Better to let Dalton be the tackling dummy and give Fields time to observe.

assuming that fields is on the standard rookie learning curve, i'd tend to agree. but maybe he shines in camp/preseason

NFL QBs don’t learn holding a clipboard on the sidelines. The popular fiction about sitting for a year is so overblown. NFL is a learning process on the field during games at high speed. The sooner he gets out there, the better the Bears will be more quickly down the line. Wasted time on Dalton will have the fans and media breathing down the Bears neck. Hopefully they use the right calculus and are blowing smoke trying to tamp down expectations.

And maybe it makes a difference if your team has a good QB to learn from. Bears however do not.