Options to fix the PF hole

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We aren’t moving Ayo

Oh we’ll see. We don’t have as many assets as you think we do

They’re not moving Ayo

Do you have inside information? If not, why such certainty?

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Oh we’ll see. We don’t have as many assets as you think we do

They’re not moving Ayo

Do you have inside information? If not, why such certainty?

Because some people lack objectivity. Ayo has been a great value pick for us, and I love watching him play but him already being labeled as untouchable is delusional. We have limited assets as it is. If we could get a huge upgrade at the 4, Ayo obviously becomes available.

[Clocian]

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I think the FO would want to stay under the tax line this season if they did a deal, so I think we could send out Williams, White and Brown for Grant and still be under the tax line this season. We could also get there including Jones instead of White. We could also keep Pat and include White plus POR pick, and it also works.

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I think the FO would want to stay under the tax line this season if they did a deal, so I think we could send out Williams, White and Brown for Grant and still be under the tax line this season. We could also get there including Jones instead of White. We could also keep Pat and include White plus POR pick, and it also works.

The Athletic article proposes Grant for PW, DJJ and Matt Thomas. Most of the Pistons fans who posted in the comments were in favor of the trade. We would add $1.2 M in salary, so we would have $1.8 M to fill out the end of the bench (plus the two-way guys, who I believe are bonus add-ons in this Covid year). If we could be sure that Grant would be committed to his role here - meaning fewer shots and more of a focus on defense - this would be very interesting.

[Jcool0]

Help me out. Why would the Bulls give up everything for Grant? He isn't that good.

[nomorezorro]

i really hate using djj as a salary throw-in. he's been one of the most valuable players on this team, and he's 24.

if they're really dead-set against avoiding the tax, i think you'd be better off going for a mid-tier pf making ~$10 million and keeping djj than you would be gaining a starting pf but losing your best backup big

[sco]

Help me out. Why would the Bulls give up everything for Grant? He isn't that good.

Depends on your definition of "everything". If by everything, you mean Pat and Coby, it's because we'd be better after the trade. I think the crux of the decision is that unexpectedly, our window of contention is open this year, and we have 2 guys who have trade value based on potential in Pat's case and a FebruLauri hot streak in Coby's case...neither guy inspires confidence with me of a meaningul 2022 post-season contribution.

I'd add that AK doesn't strike me as a "low ball and hope" sort of deal guy.

[sdeezy]

Has probably been mentioned on here but another low cost option could be Larry Nance Jr. He's a very solid player, has the athleticism, decent enough shooter. And Portland is going nowhere fast this season so a firesale may be incoming

[nomorezorro]

i do agree that we shouldn't necessarily have to pay a premium for grant. his contract + quietly underwhelming play + detroit's struggles should make them relatively happy to just move on for something decent. the question is whether you consider pat and/or coby to be "a premium"

i would prrrobably do pat+filler for grant. hope he brings similar defensive intensity as javonte while providing more size and offensive skill. pat+coby feels like overkill. (as i said above, even pat+djj feels like overkill, especially because djj is functionally meaningless to detroit)

grant is still behind barnes on my target wish list, though

[Jcool0]

Help me out. Why would the Bulls give up everything for Grant? He isn't that good.

Depends on your definition of "everything". If by everything, you mean Pat and Coby, it's because we'd be better after the trade. I think the crux of the decision is that unexpectedly, our window of contention is open this year, and we have 2 guys who have trade value based on potential in Pat's case and a FebruLauri hot streak in Coby's case...neither guy inspires confidence with me of a meaningul 2022 post-season contribution.

I'd add that AK doesn't strike me as a "low ball and hope" sort of deal guy.

You have no evidence that would be the case.

[sco]

Help me out. Why would the Bulls give up everything for Grant? He isn't that good.

Depends on your definition of "everything". If by everything, you mean Pat and Coby, it's because we'd be better after the trade. I think the crux of the decision is that unexpectedly, our window of contention is open this year, and we have 2 guys who have trade value based on potential in Pat's case and a FebruLauri hot streak in Coby's case...neither guy inspires confidence with me of a meaningul 2022 post-season contribution.

I'd add that AK doesn't strike me as a "low ball and hope" sort of deal guy.

You have no evidence that would be the case.

You have no evidence to the contrary. At least I would be adding a player to the roster with a track record of being an actual NBA good player who fits a current roster weakness. Are you more confident that Coby will continue his production for the rest of the season and the playoffs? Are you even confident Pat will take the court this season? Even if he does, do you think Pat will be even close to Grant's production this year?

[Bulls2021]

Help me out. Why would the Bulls give up everything for Grant? He isn't that good.

Depends on your definition of "everything". If by everything, you mean Pat and Coby, it's because we'd be better after the trade. I think the crux of the decision is that unexpectedly, our window of contention is open this year, and we have 2 guys who have trade value based on potential in Pat's case and a FebruLauri hot streak in Coby's case...neither guy inspires confidence with me of a meaningul 2022 post-season contribution.

I'd add that AK doesn't strike me as a "low ball and hope" sort of deal guy.

You have no evidence that would be the case.

Lol, guess no teams should ever make trades then.

[Jcool0]

Depends on your definition of "everything". If by everything, you mean Pat and Coby, it's because we'd be better after the trade. I think the crux of the decision is that unexpectedly, our window of contention is open this year, and we have 2 guys who have trade value based on potential in Pat's case and a FebruLauri hot streak in Coby's case...neither guy inspires confidence with me of a meaningul 2022 post-season contribution.

I'd add that AK doesn't strike me as a "low ball and hope" sort of deal guy.

You have no evidence that would be the case.

Lol, guess no teams should ever make trades then.

huh?

[Jcool0]

Depends on your definition of "everything". If by everything, you mean Pat and Coby, it's because we'd be better after the trade. I think the crux of the decision is that unexpectedly, our window of contention is open this year, and we have 2 guys who have trade value based on potential in Pat's case and a FebruLauri hot streak in Coby's case...neither guy inspires confidence with me of a meaningul 2022 post-season contribution.

I'd add that AK doesn't strike me as a "low ball and hope" sort of deal guy.

You have no evidence that would be the case.

You have no evidence to the contrary. At least I would be adding a player to the roster with a track record of being an actual NBA good player who fits a current roster weakness. Are you more confident that Coby will continue his production for the rest of the season and the playoffs? Are you even confident Pat will take the court this season? Even if he does, do you think Pat will be even close to Grant's production this year?

Um there is evidence (doesnt play defense, has a negative on off, doesnt shoot well, doesnt rebound). Unless in trades you are just looking at names you recognize and if you do then its a good deal.

[sco]

You have no evidence that would be the case.

You have no evidence to the contrary. At least I would be adding a player to the roster with a track record of being an actual NBA good player who fits a current roster weakness. Are you more confident that Coby will continue his production for the rest of the season and the playoffs? Are you even confident Pat will take the court this season? Even if he does, do you think Pat will be even close to Grant's production this year?

Um there is evidence (doesnt play defense, has a negative on off, doesnt shoot well, doesnt rebound). Unless in trades you are just looking at names you recognize and if you do then its a good deal.

I guess we have differing views. Happy New Year!

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Grant is not worth it. He’s also better than we need him to be at PF, which would require us to trade actual assets. I’d rather keep our group and get the right fit of PF without moving Pat / Coby etc.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Help me out. Why would the Bulls give up everything for Grant? He isn't that good.

I doubt they make a move for Grant. He’s not even what we need either, he’s just clearly available

[Bulls2021]

You have no evidence that would be the case.

You have no evidence to the contrary. At least I would be adding a player to the roster with a track record of being an actual NBA good player who fits a current roster weakness. Are you more confident that Coby will continue his production for the rest of the season and the playoffs? Are you even confident Pat will take the court this season? Even if he does, do you think Pat will be even close to Grant's production this year?

Um there is evidence (doesnt play defense, has a negative on off, doesnt shoot well, doesnt rebound). Unless in trades you are just looking at names you recognize and if you do then its a good deal.

People have posted evidence showing that he does play defense. You keep saying this yet you provide no evidence to back it up. Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it so. Plus minus is also a **** stat, especially on a team like the Pistons.

AK traded for Grant before. Wouldn't put it past him to do it again.

[Jcool0]

You have no evidence to the contrary. At least I would be adding a player to the roster with a track record of being an actual NBA good player who fits a current roster weakness. Are you more confident that Coby will continue his production for the rest of the season and the playoffs? Are you even confident Pat will take the court this season? Even if he does, do you think Pat will be even close to Grant's production this year?

Um there is evidence (doesnt play defense, has a negative on off, doesnt shoot well, doesnt rebound). Unless in trades you are just looking at names you recognize and if you do then its a good deal.

People have posted evidence showing that he does play defense. You keep saying this yet you provide no evidence to back it up. Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it so. Plus minus is also a **** stat, especially on a team like the Pistons.

AK traded for Grant before. Wouldn't put it past him to do it again.

So your response is to say i provided nothing while you yourself gives no evidence except to say +/- is not a good stat, which is an opinion not a fact.