Around The NBA : 2023-24 Season #3

[Charlesareed]

Jesus Christ now that we are rebuilding can we finally get Javonte Green off the roster? He is meaningless to what we are trying to do.

So Bulls to find and develop a hidden gem player right at a time when it truly doesn't make sense to be re-signing a 30 year old - to this point journeymen.

I think Javonte's best, most impactful days are ahead of him, and truly do believe whatever team signing him is getting a steal like Dallas last year with DJJ.

He’s a perfect fit in Denver & on the suns even Orlando and dallas is a good fits

I begrudgingly agree with you that it doesn't make sense to be us at this stage, and what our goals seem to be (sinking or swimming with youth)

[DuckIII]

TSJ looks awfully freaking good…..

He's also 4-5 years older than most of the players playing and most of them will be in the G League/International. Summer League is really meaningless.

Still looks good. This league is too obsessed with potential.

And he has potential. The league is too obsessed with the notion that age is critical to determining potential.

[DuckIII]

So basically the same potential as every other 6’3” athletic player. People here clown Dalen Terry and he is 10 times the potential of Bronny.

Exactly. Look, I'm not bagging on Bronny. I'm not bagging on LeBron or the Lakers. They can do whatever they want with their assets for whatever reasons they want. And at the end of the day we are talking about a 15h roster spot at most.

How many 6'1 guards with longish arms and an athletic vertical leap with almost no offensive game end up as defensive specialists in the NBA? Its got to be close to zero. Summer league rosters every year are littered with guys who fit this description, and often with vastly superior measurables. If they are even lucky enough to make summer league rosters at all.

He's not a real NBA prospect. He's a novelty. And frankly that's totally fine so long as its fine with him.

Let's change the name to Bronny Duck, a player good enough to be a high school all-american, highly recruited and was projected to be a definite draft pick in his class. Then that gets derailed by cardiac arrest which affected his only college season. So whatever skills and abilities shown before have evaporated I guess. The hate he gets because of his last name is crazy. I guarantee you people on this board would be saying I wish the Bulls had 2nd round pick to take Bronny Duck.

If we drafted Bronny Duck I’d be wondering why we drafted an undersized PG with no NBA offense. That’s the whole point.

[Wingy]

He's also 4-5 years older than most of the players playing and most of them will be in the G League/International. Summer League is really meaningless.

Still looks good. This league is too obsessed with potential.

And he has potential. The league is too obsessed with the notion that age is critical to determining potential.

It’s certainly a real factor. It’s how you get a real solid rookie season from a Chris Duarte type and then a few years later people realize he didn’t have that much farther to go.

Now blanket statements should obviously never be applied to every player, but age should absolutely be a huge factor in potential.

Age is why we saw the folly in a certain FO’s failed plans well before they did.

[DuckIII]

Certainly age is a factor in attempting to project upside. But front offices give it too much weight generally rather than on a case by case basis.

[Fo-Real]

Bronny is only in the NBA on a guaranteed contract because of his father. It’s a farce.

Really? No way!

James Jr is related to The Lebron James?!?! Sorry, Ill see myself out!!

[GoBlue72391]

Bronny James vs LiAngelo Ball. Who's the better player?

[Dan Z]

Certainly age is a factor in attempting to project upside. But front offices give it too much weight generally rather than on a case by case basis.

Its one reason why a player like Desmond Bane goes late in a draft, but ends up being one of the better players.

TSJ was a good late pick for Minnesota.

[Hangtime84]

Bronny James vs LiAngelo Ball. Who's the better player?

The one that can shoot

[R3AL1TY]

I didn't know Castle has PG skills. Now I see why the Spurs drafted him and traded the Dillingham pick.

[Dan Z]

I didn't know Castle has PG skills. Now I see why the Spurs drafted him and traded the Dillingham pick.

Castle has said that he thinks of himself as a PG. Did he play that position in HS?

[Dan Z]

I didn't know Castle has PG skills. Now I see why the Spurs drafted him and traded the Dillingham pick.

Its a shame that the Spurs didnt pick Edey with their 2nd pick. It wouldve been fun to see how Edey and Wemby work together.

[Mbrahv0528]

We had Marko Simonovic on a guaranteed contract.

15th man is full of nepo hires of various sorts.

It is how obvious it is. Let's be honest here. If the Celtics had drafted him. Most people would not care.

It is messy and silly. Lebron if had owned it. No one would really care. His son did nothing. Even Giannis brother actually played well in Europe and was 6'7. He is a great athlete. He is the most explosive brother.

Bronny had a heart attack and struggled.

If the Lakers hadn't drafted him, nobody would have.

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[MrSparkle]

Ya, his shot will be a work in progress but it's not that bad. Castle has potential to be the best in this draft. Rondo, worst-case scenario. His handles are like glue, passing is very accurate - elite skills for having wing size.

Clingan's airballs were cringey. I don't know how he got the buzz as a potential 3P threat. His college FT% was so bad. There's literally no example of a quality 3P shooter who ever had 58% FT at any level. I guess Portland is looking to tank atleast another year, so if anybody will give him that green light, it's them, but geezus that team is gonna have some filthy 3P numbers. Thybulle, Scoot and Clingan are going to build one of the finest brick homes in NBA history. That's assuming they touch the rim.

I wonder if all the interest (Bulls, Rockets, etc.) was actually just a smoke-screen. Clingan can obviously block shots and rebound, but if he's a 50% FT liability and having 1/8 FGs in a SL game, that's not entirely acceptable for a full-time C in the NBA. Even Gobert has a stomach able FT%, and by primarily dunking, his FG% is high. It'll be interesting to see if Clingan's lack of hops will be an issue finishing around the rim.

[Dan Z]

Ya, his shot will be a work in progress but it's not that bad. Castle has potential to be the best in this draft. Rondo, worst-case scenario. His handles are like glue, passing is very accurate - elite skills for having wing size.

Clingan's airballs were cringey. I don't know how he got the buzz as a potential 3P threat. His college FT% was so bad. There's literally no example of a quality 3P shooter who ever had 58% FT at any level. I guess Portland is looking to tank atleast another year, so if anybody will give him that green light, it's them, but geezus that team is gonna have some filthy 3P numbers. Thybulle, Scoot and Clingan are going to build one of the finest brick homes in NBA history. That's assuming they touch the rim.

I wonder if all the interest (Bulls, Rockets, etc.) was actually just a smoke-screen. Clingan can obviously block shots and rebound, but if he's a 50% FT liability and having 1/8 FGs in a SL game, that's not entirely acceptable for a full-time C in the NBA. Even Gobert has a stomach able FT%, and by primarily dunking, his FG% is high. It'll be interesting to see if Clingan's lack of hops will be an issue finishing around the rim.

I just asked about Clingan in the Summer League thread. I guess he did worse than I thought he did...?

Im not sure if Portand will be that bad. Deni should solidify their SF spot, their young players should improve and Robert Williams will be back

[MrSparkle]

Ya, his shot will be a work in progress but it's not that bad. Castle has potential to be the best in this draft. Rondo, worst-case scenario. His handles are like glue, passing is very accurate - elite skills for having wing size.

Clingan's airballs were cringey. I don't know how he got the buzz as a potential 3P threat. His college FT% was so bad. There's literally no example of a quality 3P shooter who ever had 58% FT at any level. I guess Portland is looking to tank atleast another year, so if anybody will give him that green light, it's them, but geezus that team is gonna have some filthy 3P numbers. Thybulle, Scoot and Clingan are going to build one of the finest brick homes in NBA history. That's assuming they touch the rim.

I wonder if all the interest (Bulls, Rockets, etc.) was actually just a smoke-screen. Clingan can obviously block shots and rebound, but if he's a 50% FT liability and having 1/8 FGs in a SL game, that's not entirely acceptable for a full-time C in the NBA. Even Gobert has a stomach able FT%, and by primarily dunking, his FG% is high. It'll be interesting to see if Clingan's lack of hops will be an issue finishing around the rim.

I just asked about Clingan in the Summer League thread. I guess he did worse than I thought he did...?

Im not sure if Portand will be that bad. Deni should solidify their SF spot, their young players should improve and Robert Williams will be back

Yeah. Well, I'm sure Portland will be bad, but I did think the Deni/Clingan moves ought to help them get on a play-in track in a year or two... possibly deliver a 16th pick before 2028.

The big thing is Scoot. I was sure he'd be a good NBA player, so his horrendous year was surprising... but honestly, with high usage and low expectations, he ought to come around.

I buy the hype on next year's draft, so whoever gets one of the 3 best players in 2025 is quickly turning it around, regardless of their current core. If Clingan and Deni are good glue guys, Scoot/Sharpe develop, bringing in Flag/Bailey/Harper ought to get them right on track.

[Jcool0]

Ya, his shot will be a work in progress but it's not that bad. Castle has potential to be the best in this draft. Rondo, worst-case scenario. His handles are like glue, passing is very accurate - elite skills for having wing size.

Clingan's airballs were cringey. I don't know how he got the buzz as a potential 3P threat. His college FT% was so bad. There's literally no example of a quality 3P shooter who ever had 58% FT at any level. I guess Portland is looking to tank atleast another year, so if anybody will give him that green light, it's them, but geezus that team is gonna have some filthy 3P numbers. Thybulle, Scoot and Clingan are going to build one of the finest brick homes in NBA history. That's assuming they touch the rim.

I wonder if all the interest (Bulls, Rockets, etc.) was actually just a smoke-screen. Clingan can obviously block shots and rebound, but if he's a 50% FT liability and having 1/8 FGs in a SL game, that's not entirely acceptable for a full-time C in the NBA. Even Gobert has a stomach able FT%, and by primarily dunking, his FG% is high. It'll be interesting to see if Clingan's lack of hops will be an issue finishing around the rim.

I just asked about Clingan in the Summer League thread. I guess he did worse than I thought he did...?

Im not sure if Portand will be that bad. Deni should solidify their SF spot, their young players should improve and Robert Williams will be back

He was never going to look good offensively in the Summer League. Clingan needs a pass first PG who will get him good looks in the paint. Everyone is looking to shoot in the Summer League not pass.

[KissedByaRose1]

We're starting the season with Vooch and Lavine on the roster. I'm just going to accept this now so when it happens I don't go nuts. Too darn bad too, every loss counts in being bottom 4 this year for the real chance at a difference maker. They're also going to take minutes away from guys i really want to see develop free of a BS pecking order on a perpetual play in team.

As well as the issues have been documented in moving Lavine, I think it's even harder to find a team Vucevic makes sense for. He really is a bottom 3rd Center in the NBA.

[Dan Z]

Ya, his shot will be a work in progress but it's not that bad. Castle has potential to be the best in this draft. Rondo, worst-case scenario. His handles are like glue, passing is very accurate - elite skills for having wing size.

Clingan's airballs were cringey. I don't know how he got the buzz as a potential 3P threat. His college FT% was so bad. There's literally no example of a quality 3P shooter who ever had 58% FT at any level. I guess Portland is looking to tank atleast another year, so if anybody will give him that green light, it's them, but geezus that team is gonna have some filthy 3P numbers. Thybulle, Scoot and Clingan are going to build one of the finest brick homes in NBA history. That's assuming they touch the rim.

I wonder if all the interest (Bulls, Rockets, etc.) was actually just a smoke-screen. Clingan can obviously block shots and rebound, but if he's a 50% FT liability and having 1/8 FGs in a SL game, that's not entirely acceptable for a full-time C in the NBA. Even Gobert has a stomach able FT%, and by primarily dunking, his FG% is high. It'll be interesting to see if Clingan's lack of hops will be an issue finishing around the rim.

I just asked about Clingan in the Summer League thread. I guess he did worse than I thought he did...?

Im not sure if Portand will be that bad. Deni should solidify their SF spot, their young players should improve and Robert Williams will be back

Yeah. Well, I'm sure Portland will be bad, but I did think the Deni/Clingan moves ought to help them get on a play-in track in a year or two... possibly deliver a 16th pick before 2028.

The big thing is Scoot. I was sure he'd be a good NBA player, so his horrendous year was surprising... but honestly, with high usage and low expectations, he ought to come around.

I buy the hype on next year's draft, so whoever gets one of the 3 best players in 2025 is quickly turning it around, regardless of their current core. If Clingan and Deni are good glue guys, Scoot/Sharpe develop, bringing in Flag/Bailey/Harper ought to get them right on track.

I think Scoot got better as the season went on...?

Sharpe needs to stay healthy.

Maybe a center rotation of Ayon and Clingan will work? Then Robert Williams spends time at PF with Grant?

It might work but will take time. I agree that another top 2025 pick would help them (the Bulls too).

[R3AL1TY]

I didn't know Castle has PG skills. Now I see why the Spurs drafted him and traded the Dillingham pick.

Castle has said that he thinks of himself as a PG. Did he play that position in HS?

It looks like he played that position a little in HS since certain websites are listing him as a combo guard.

I didn't know Castle has PG skills. Now I see why the Spurs drafted him and traded the Dillingham pick.

Its a shame that the Spurs didnt pick Edey with their 2nd pick. It wouldve been fun to see how Edey and Wemby work together.

I'm not going to lie. I was a little anti-Edey due to the "not modern enough" bias against him out there but seeing him play more, he looks fluid and fast enough to dominate any play style.