OT Election Thread

[TheStig]

This **** is crazy. They're making a list for people who had a different opinion.

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See this is hurting Biden and his party. Biden clearly is indicating he wants peace and these guys want further divide. This is how Trump gained so much support. People are tired of this BS. Trump pushed hard against it, used this and pinned Biden as part of the radical left because he never called them out and started to work with them on issues which I'm sure he will never actually keep his word.

The radical left needs to get their own party. We really need a 4 or 5 party system in the US more than ever.

Progressives
Democrats
GOP
MAGA
Libertians

This may eventually happen someday but not anytime soon.

Progressives eventually are going to turn on Biden when they realize he isn't going to give into their radical demands.

All those already exist within the 2 party system. If they were separate parties they'd just form voting blocks and it would look a lot like what we have now.

I think the progressives are going to push Biden. And they should. They're advocating for the people who put them in power. That's their job. To me, they seem like the most honest of the bunch. They want to help the most people and don't sell out. Their ideas are also not really radical. It's more like America was 70+ years ago. Believe it or not, we were a country with almost free colleges and 90% top tax rates. It had companies reinvest, pay their fair share and resulted in little to no national debt. Now we have these corporations eating the country alive and not putting anything into it. We can't even fix the infrastructure now. At that time we built all of it!

It's not to say I agree with them on everything or feel they need to go as far like the green new deal. But to call them the radical left like they're trying to destroy the country or turn it communist is crazy.

Wall street is excited because we're going into gridlock and have Biden. It means they expect nothing done and that will be his legacy.

[Flopper]

I'm hoping that Biden's speech issues don't limit his ability to connect with disenfranchised Americans. I didn't like the guy much either, though I honestly wasn't much deadset on any of the Democratic aspirants. I do hope that he can manage to make great gains in our environmental and climate control initiatives, which I think is a damn fine way to start his presidency (along with, all hope, significant Covid vaccine, treatment and testing programs).

After this 4 year debacle, hopefully they can appreciate having a president that isn't constantly embellishing/pandering/selling/lying and can actually show true empathy and articulate a semi-complex thought without talking in circles.

My concern with Biden isn't with his speaking or cognitive abilities, but whether he has the focus and stamina to do the job over the long haul. I also wouldn't be surprised if the daily stress along with natural aging related issues start taking a heavy toll within the first year or two.

It might not be as pronounced as Trump but don't worry, Biden will get around to those things too. The only one of those you'll get is empathy as he lies, embellishes and sells us out. I don't think anyone has ever thought of him as an articulate and complex thinker

I'm not a huge Biden fan, but to equate him to Trump in that way is **** nonsense. I'd love to hear some concrete examples of those traits you've attributed to him.

He's far from perfect, but was probably the only Dem candidate who would've beaten Trump. Mainstream America isn't ready for a progressive candidate and Biden was really the only moderate in the field with enough political cache and name recognition to pull in moderates and disillusioned Republicans and also energize the base. There's no way a guy like Bernie would've been able to carry any of the big battleground states and we'd probably be staring another popular vote win/EC loss had he been the candidate.

[PlayerUp]

This **** is crazy. They're making a list for people who had a different opinion.

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See this is hurting Biden and his party. Biden clearly is indicating he wants peace and these guys want further divide. This is how Trump gained so much support. People are tired of this BS. Trump pushed hard against it, used this and pinned Biden as part of the radical left because he never called them out and started to work with them on issues which I'm sure he will never actually keep his word.

The radical left needs to get their own party. We really need a 4 or 5 party system in the US more than ever.

Progressives
Democrats
GOP
MAGA
Libertians

This may eventually happen someday but not anytime soon.

Progressives eventually are going to turn on Biden when they realize he isn't going to give into their radical demands.

All those already exist within the 2 party system. If they were separate parties they'd just form voting blocks and it would look a lot like what we have now.

I think the progressives are going to push Biden. And they should. They're advocating for the people who put them in power. That's their job. To me, they seem like the most honest of the bunch. They want to help the most people and don't sell out. Their ideas are also not really radical. It's more like America was 70+ years ago. Believe it or not, we were a country with almost free colleges and 90% top tax rates. It had companies reinvest, pay their fair share and resulted in little to no national debt. Now we have these corporations eating the country alive and not putting anything into it. We can't even fix the infrastructure now. At that time we built all of it!

It's not to say I agree with them on everything or feel they need to go as far like the green new deal. But to call them the radical left like they're trying to destroy the country or turn it communist is crazy.

Wall street is excited because we're going into gridlock and have Biden. It means they expect nothing done and that will be his legacy.

We had no competition then is the difference from 70+ years ago. Where are people going to go then? Now people can easily relocate offshore to offset taxes and that's already what many of the businesses are doing.

I agree on Wall Street. Biden went to them and set deals. They're expect essentially status quo. Maybe some reforms they don't affect them, some improvements with infrastructure, energy, healthcare but beyond that they were likely guaranteed that not much will change. The top 1% own this country along with media, silicon valley and hollywood.

That's why people liked Trump. He stood up against him. However he got too aggressive, didn't adjust, kept attacking people, refused to work with congress and that cost him the election.

[PlayerUp]

Yeah, Trump is a stubborn ass and will do whatever he wants. If he wants to run. He'll come down an escalator and run.

I think it's almost a lock one of their kids make a run. Don Trump Jr or Ivanka. Fortunately they are much more tolerable to deal with than Donald Trump. Trump has gained so much support. Bush Jr ran and won without having anywhere near the support Trump has.

Isn't Ivanka more of a democrat? And I don't see Don Jr winning anything. And that's after Trump being the one who doesn't let things go. I think he'll be there again. Just like Trump, Biden is going to sit there and undo everything his predecessor has done. And that's going to drive him crazy.

The base will follow the Trumps. Ivanka switched away from the democratic party in 2018. Her views are still democratic so if she can get the GOP nomination, well she would potentially be tough to beat on policy if the trump base rallies around her. She also seems a bit more intelligent than Don Jr and more professional. We'll see. It depends if the GOP has a good candidate. I think Nikki Haley has a chance, maybe Tucker will run though doubtful, or someone we aren't aware of.

I think moving forward we're going to see more attractive politicians run for office. Dems went with Biden because he was the most recognizable candidate. The boring old Romneys and Bushes could be a thing of the past. People need to connect with their leaders and that maybe more important than policies themselves.

[ZOMG]

Biden’s speech tonight didn’t mention Trump at all. This is what I was taking about. Biden is playing this perfectly so far. He’s talking about unity, working together and America as a whole. Don’t feed the trolls.

These trolls don't care if you feed them or not. They're too far gone. I would've thought people had learned that by now.

I'm not a fan of trying to placate dangerous schoolyard bullies. Over the last four years the Trump cult has done absolutely nothing to deserve being welcomed back into the fold of civilized society with open arms, with everything suddenly being forgiven & forgotten. Actions have consequences.

Sometimes you just have to put your foot down and say that this is how we're doing things now. Either deal with it or go sit at the fringe of society, removing yourself from the equation for the next four years. The overwhelming majority of people will choose to deal with it - since it's the only sensible choice. The crazies won't, but as I said, they're beyond help anyway. It's just wasted energy trying to reach out to them. Worse, it makes you look weak in the eyes of the very people you're trying to placate. They'll think you're a sucker.

Trump didn't give an inch to anyone who didn't vote for him. Biden is not Trump, but projecting strength is the only way to go now. It's counterintuitive, but THAT is what will gradually win him the respect of many of the more moderate Trump voters.

[Red8911]

Biden’s speech tonight didn’t mention Trump at all. This is what I was taking about. Biden is playing this perfectly so far. He’s talking about unity, working together and America as a whole. Don’t feed the trolls.

Yeah sure they want unity after the democrats played dirty attacking trump for 4 years and constantly trying to throw him out the whole time over false accusations.Now that they are close to winning or better yet taking the election now they want “unity”. They only want it if they are in power lol.

Please that whole speech was bs. Biden didn’t say he was the president elect but he talked like he was already the president. As of last night it wasn’t even official yet. What a pointless speech.

[Dresden]

Biden’s speech tonight didn’t mention Trump at all. This is what I was taking about. Biden is playing this perfectly so far. He’s talking about unity, working together and America as a whole. Don’t feed the trolls.

Yeah sure they want unity after the democrats played dirty attacking trump for 4 years and constantly trying to throw him out the whole time over false accusations.Now that they are close to winning or better yet taking the election now they want “unity”. They only want it if they are in power lol.

Please that whole speech was bs. Biden didn’t say he was the president elect but he talked like he was already the president. As of last night it wasn’t even official yet. What a pointless speech.

It wasn't just democrats who attacked Trump- it was basically the whole world outside of his own supporters, the right wing media and a few dictators here and there like Putin and Bolsinaro. Trump's presidency will go down in history as a scar on American democracy, and it's only right that the press and democrats should call him out on his actions. Even his own party is scolding him for behaving like a 3rd world despot as he tries to undermine people's faith in our electoral process in order to hang onto power.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Biden’s speech tonight didn’t mention Trump at all. This is what I was taking about. Biden is playing this perfectly so far. He’s talking about unity, working together and America as a whole. Don’t feed the trolls.

Yeah sure they want unity after the democrats played dirty attacking trump for 4 years and constantly trying to throw him out the whole time over false accusations.Now that they are close to winning or better yet taking the election now they want “unity”. They only want it if they are in power lol.

Please that whole speech was bs. Biden didn’t say he was the president elect but he talked like he was already the president. As of last night it wasn’t even official yet. What a pointless speech.

Admittedly, the Dems didn’t give Trump a chance from the jump. You got it there. The problem is, Republicans don’t like him either. But they know they can use his base to push their own personal agendas. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that all republicans love Trump because that’s just not the case. He just had utility to them.

Think about it. The GOP has a good chance to maintain control of the Senate all while picking up seats in the house. Yet Trump is getting ready to lose this election. What does that tell you?? What it should tell you is that many republicans supported other republicans candidates without necessarily supporting Trump. So no, this isn’t just about Dems. It’s about lots of people at large not supporting or approving of the job that Trump has done.

And so far as the mail in ballots, EVERYONE that paid any kind of attention knew that mail in ballots were going to be much more prevalent this election cycle the perhaps any other. Because of the pandemic. The pandemic that Trump completely botched his handling of. He has nobody to blame but himself. Not the left or some bs conspiracy theories about voter fraud. Even his own advisers are calling bs on that theory and are shying away from it. If Biden takes this thing (and it certainly looks like he will) it will be every bit as legitimate as Trump taking it in 2016. I didn’t see Clinton challenging those results.....

[Dresden]

It Biden does win this, it will be only the 4th time in the past 120 years that an elected incumbent has failed to win re-election.

[Dresden]

If/when Biden takes office, I would really like for Pelosi to offer to step down sooner from her Speaker role. I believe I read she agreed to step down in 2022, which I suppose would align with mid-terms. We’ll see, but the Dem. party would be in a good place if they find a good younger leader who doesn’t draw GOP rage.

I think that would be a bad move. Pelosi is tough, she's savvy, and she's done a good job of keeping her party united. And she's been fairly moderate. She resisted earlier attempts to impeach Trump, until it became obvious he had done something that warranted impeachment. If the reason she were asked to move aside was because the GOP doesn't like her, that would just be allowing the GOP to dictate who leads the democrats in the House. Will the GOP remove McConnell because he draws democrats' wrath?

Democrats too often look to appease, to be moderate. Whereas the GOP goes for the throat any chance they get (see the Coney confirmation for an example).

[Betta Bulleavit]

It Biden does win this, it will be only the 4th time in the past 120 years that an elected incumbent has failed to win re-election.

Yep. And you can best believe that that’s not lost on the Trumpster. He’s been so used to winning by any means necessary that losing is taboo to him. And certainly not on this stage.

[moorhosj]

The base will follow the Trumps. Ivanka switched away from the democratic party in 2018. Her views are still democratic so if she can get the GOP nomination, well she would potentially be tough to beat on policy if the trump base rallies around her. She also seems a bit more intelligent than Don Jr and more professional. We'll see. It depends if the GOP has a good candidate. I think Nikki Haley has a chance, maybe Tucker will run though doubtful, or someone we aren't aware of.

I think moving forward we're going to see more attractive politicians run for office. Dems went with Biden because he was the most recognizable candidate. The boring old Romneys and Bushes could be a thing of the past. People need to connect with their leaders and that maybe more important than policies themselves.

Ivanka is going win the Republican primary on having Donald Trump's charisma, but Joe Biden's policy? I don't think so. What has she accomplished on policy in 4 years at the White House? What makes you think she can energize a stadium full of people in Erie, PA? Don Jr has a much better chance as he connects far more with "the base".

This whole idea of, "If Trump was more disciplined or stop going after certain people he would have won." Seems silly to me as his bluster and failure to respect norms is a large part of his appeal. From a policy perspective, Biden is better for working/middle class voters, Biden grew up working/middle class. Trump is able to harness their fear and anger in ways no other American politician has. To believe Ivanka or Don Jr will be able to do the same seems like wishful thinking.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Biden takes PA. Game set and match!

[Jimako10]

Neither here nor there, but I've had CNN in the background since election day, and I'm generally democrat leaning, but I can see why republican's hate CNN. Just watching it was enough to make me want to lean republican at times.

It is bad but not nearly as bad as FOX is the other way. Neither of them are even news sources anymore, just cheerleaders for each respective party.

Fox news had to admit in court that Tucker Carlson was not a reliable source of information....lol.

[Dresden]

BIDEN WINS!!!!

[Dresden]

Today closes the book on one of the sorriest, most destructive presidencies in our history. Good riddance, Donald. Hope we never hear from you again, unless it's when you face your date in court.

[MrSparkle]

Neither here nor there, but I've had CNN in the background since election day, and I'm generally democrat leaning, but I can see why republican's hate CNN. Just watching it was enough to make me want to lean republican at times.

It is bad but not nearly as bad as FOX is the other way. Neither of them are even news sources anymore, just cheerleaders for each respective party.

Fox news had to admit in court that Tucker Carlson was not a reliable source of information....lol.

+1000

[Dresden]

Neither here nor there, but I've had CNN in the background since election day, and I'm generally democrat leaning, but I can see why republican's hate CNN. Just watching it was enough to make me want to lean republican at times.

It is bad but not nearly as bad as FOX is the other way. Neither of them are even news sources anymore, just cheerleaders for each respective party.

CNN is just as bad as Fox.

If you want to get your news, look towards lesser known alternative options. There are hundreds of good options. Cable is dying and it's time to support alternative media and tech.

Neither networks are objective- they both clearly have their favorites. That does't mean they are the same though. Fox News has been found by people who study media to present many more falsehoods and inaccuracies than CNN or any other major network. So don't say they are the same.

[Dresden]

If Biden's leads hold in AZ, NV, and GA, he'll finish with 306 electoral votes.

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