OT: COVID-19 thread #4

[Almost Retired]

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I've been studying the Virus, its origins, the pandemic and the different approaches taken by individual countries for more than a year. I've seen draconian restrictions on personal liberties in countries like Australia and New Zealand. And the almost hands off approach taken by Sweden. I have seen serious outbreaks of the Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries like Israel. And there is a credible school of thought that has postulated that the mass vaccinations helped to drive the alpha origin to mutate into a more infectious delta strain of the virus. Many vaccinated people came down with the variant. Vaccinated people can harbor greater viral loads without displaying outward symptoms. And there is no question that younger people are at greater risk from the "vaccines" than they are from the actual virus. And it is quite clear that catching the virus and developing natural immunity thereby provides a much more robust antibody response over time than do the "vaccines". Of particular note since this is a basketball site.....young healthy men are at greatest risk of developing myocarditis from the "vaccines" than are members of other age cohorts. I have advised all my extended family members to avoid getting their children or young adult children vaccinated. My advice to all is that the only people who should be getting vaccinated are the elderly and those with serious co-morbidities. We should adopt the same strategy being employed in certain area of India and in Sweden. Everyone should be taking a prophylactic cocktail of of supplements to include QUERCETIN, VITAMIN D, ZINC, VITAMIN C AND TUMERIC. And those at higher risk like medical professionals with direct patient care responsibilities should also take a weekly dose of Ivermectin. It is worrisome to me to see the lengths with which our incompetent and corrupt government has used the media and social media to stifle information and debate regarding alternative approaches. The state of Upper Pradesh in India, with a population of 275 Million, has virtually NO Covid hospitalizations right now after a year of utilizing the the prophylactic approach with Vitamin D, zinc and ivermectin. Don't believe the government's bull regarding hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Both are highly effective in preventing an exposed person from developing a full blown case of Covid. But they must be given early. If a patient is admitted in serious condition the use of HCQ and Ivermectin will likely not alter the course of the disease. By then it's too late. HCQ and ivermectin (and to a lesser extent the bioflavanoid Quercetin) act as ionophores....that is to say that they make cell walls more permeable to ions, and in this case it is the zinc ions that are the key ingredient. For when zinc gets into the viral cell it disrupts the replication of the virus. (It is why zinc gluconate lozenges have been touted for helping to relieve cold symptoms.) This action by the zinc ions is not limited to the Covid virus. It applies to ANY RNA virus. And most of the infectious viruses that afflict humans are RNA viruses. So to summarize my view you should be taking quercetin, Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin C and Tumeric. I take 2 capsules of quercetin daily, one capsule of 50mg zinc piccolnate (more absorbable), 4,000 units of Vitamin D daily, 500 mg of Vitamin C twice a day and 2400 mg of Tumeric twice a day (tumeric is an excellent immune modulator and natural anti-inflammatory). This regimin is safe, inexpensive, and I have no fear of getting a serious case of Covid.

[Chi town]

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I've been studying the Virus, its origins, the pandemic and the different approaches taken by individual countries for more than a year. I've seen draconian restrictions on personal liberties in countries like Australia and New Zealand. And the almost hands off approach taken by Sweden. I have seen serious outbreaks of the Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries like Israel. And there is a credible school of thought that has postulated that the mass vaccinations helped to drive the alpha origin to mutate into a more infectious delta strain of the virus. Many vaccinated people came down with the variant. Vaccinated people can harbor greater viral loads without displaying outward symptoms. And there is no question that younger people are at greater risk from the "vaccines" than they are from the actual virus. And it is quite clear that catching the virus and developing natural immunity thereby provides a much more robust antibody response over time than do the "vaccines". Of particular note since this is a basketball site.....young healthy men are at greatest risk of developing myocarditis from the "vaccines" than are members of other age cohorts. I have advised all my extended family members to avoid getting their children or young adult children vaccinated. My advice to all is that the only people who should be getting vaccinated are the elderly and those with serious co-morbidities. We should adopt the same strategy being employed in certain area of India and in Sweden. Everyone should be taking a prophylactic cocktail of of supplements to include QUERCETIN, VITAMIN D, ZINC, VITAMIN C AND TUMERIC. And those at higher risk like medical professionals with direct patient care responsibilities should also take a weekly dose of Ivermectin. It is worrisome to me to see the lengths with which our incompetent and corrupt government has used the media and social media to stifle information and debate regarding alternative approaches. The state of Upper Pradesh in India, with a population of 275 Million, has virtually NO Covid hospitalizations right now after a year of utilizing the the prophylactic approach with Vitamin D, zinc and ivermectin. Don't believe the government's bull regarding hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Both are highly effective in preventing an exposed person from developing a full blown case of Covid. But they must be given early. If a patient is admitted in serious condition the use of HCQ and Ivermectin will likely not alter the course of the disease. By then it's too late. HCQ and ivermectin (and to a lesser extent the bioflavanoid Quercetin) act as ionophores....that is to say that they make cell walls more permeable to ions, and in this case it is the zinc ions that are the key ingredient. For when zinc gets into the viral cell it disrupts the replication of the virus. (It is why zinc gluconate lozenges have been touted for helping to relieve cold symptoms.) This action by the zinc ions is not limited to the Covid virus. It applies to ANY RNA virus. And most of the infectious viruses that afflict humans are RNA viruses. So to summarize my view you should be taking quercetin, Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin C and Tumeric. I take 2 capsules of quercetin daily, one capsule of 50mg zinc piccolnate (more absorbable), 4,000 units of Vitamin D daily, 500 mg of Vitamin C twice a day and 2400 mg of Tumeric twice a day (tumeric is an excellent immune modulator and natural anti-inflammatory). This regimin is safe, inexpensive, and I have no fear of getting a serious case of Covid.

Thanks for sharing.

[dougthonus]

And there is no question that younger people are at greater risk from the "vaccines" than they are from the actual virus.

This isn't remotely true and can be shown pretty clearly statistically.

And it is quite clear that catching the virus and developing natural immunity thereby provides a much more robust antibody response over time than do the "vaccines".

This might be also be true, but you take significantly higher risk developing natural immunity.

young healthy men are at greatest risk of developing myocarditis from the "vaccines" than are members of other age cohorts.

Myocarditis from the vaccine is about 1/50k for young people and death is about 1/10k from actually getting COVID for young people. The vaccine definitely isn't without some risk, but getting COVID still has considerably more risk.

[dice]

I've been studying the Virus, its origins, the pandemic and the different approaches taken by individual countries for more than a year.

you also said you had been studying the electorate and projected a huge trump victory. when that proved very false, you preposterously said that it was because of illegal voting. now you're pushing more crap that is only seen on outlets like newsmax. i don't trust you any further than i could throw you

highly vaccinated areas are doing much better than low vaccinated areas...against the delta variant. the vaccine has proven very safe. mask wearing has been proven highly effective. there's not much more that anyone needs to know

australia/new zealand did indeed impose draconian measures. but guess what? the results have been amazing, and the populace received plenty of financial assistance while forced to be at home. and so they are very happy with how their governments have handled things. do they envy our relative "freedom"? no, they think we're ****ing idiots:

https://poll.lowyinstitute.org/charts/global-responses-to-covid-19/

[Almost Retired]

I've been studying the Virus, its origins, the pandemic and the different approaches taken by individual countries for more than a year.

you also said you had been studying the electorate and projected a huge trump victory. when that proved very false, you preposterously said that it was because of illegal voting. now you're pushing more crap that is only seen on outlets like newsmax. i don't trust you any further than i could throw you

highly vaccinated areas are doing much better than low vaccinated areas...against the delta variant. the vaccine has proven very safe. mask wearing has been proven highly effective. there's not much more that anyone needs to know

australia/new zealand did indeed impose draconian measures. but guess what? the results have been amazing, and the populace received plenty of financial assistance while forced to be at home. and so they are very happy with how their governments have handled things. do they envy our relative "freedom"? no, they think we're ****ing idiots:

https://poll.lowyinstitute.org/charts/global-responses-to-covid-19/

States within India, Sweden, Israel, and other highly vaccinated place tell a different story. But you can choose to believe who you want to believe. keep tuned into CNN and follow all the guidelines from "Dr Fauci". I hope you stay healthy. I trust my sources and my experience.

As for the election the Arizona audit is coming out within 2 weeks. Decertification of their election is a possible outcome. If Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Georgia are so confident that their elections were legit then why have they fought so hard to stop potential audits? If my state's election results were in question I would want to see an audit happen to reassure the voting populace that their votes are counted completely and correctly. Mask wearing is extremely marginally helpful, and totally unnecessary outdoors. Fauci the fraud is on tape telling people it's basically theater. As for Australia and New Zealand, they will have their Covid outbreaks eventually. They can't all be locked up forever, with their limit of one six pack of beer. (The rationale for that escapes me.) In the meantime they are severely hurting their economy and their populace is not going to achieve herd immunity. Sweden, as the long term statistics will show, has had the most success overall with the least disruption to their society. And a final point. Some good scientists have written that they expect the side effects from the Covid "vaccines" will worsen with each subsequent injection. The intra-vascular inflammatory responses will intensify. More heart issues like myocarditis, more organ problems due to an inflammatory reduction in blood flow to the organs, young women having menstrual issues...... But go ahead and get yourself vaccinated a couple times a year. Fauci and CNN and President "Depends" are all telling you to line up and get jabbed. Too bad you can't currently travel to Australia.....it's getting time for sheep shearing over there. You could line up for that too. Genius.

[dice]

I've been studying the Virus, its origins, the pandemic and the different approaches taken by individual countries for more than a year.

you also said you had been studying the electorate and projected a huge trump victory. when that proved very false, you preposterously said that it was because of illegal voting. now you're pushing more crap that is only seen on outlets like newsmax. i don't trust you any further than i could throw you

highly vaccinated areas are doing much better than low vaccinated areas...against the delta variant. the vaccine has proven very safe. mask wearing has been proven highly effective. there's not much more that anyone needs to know

australia/new zealand did indeed impose draconian measures. but guess what? the results have been amazing, and the populace received plenty of financial assistance while forced to be at home. and so they are very happy with how their governments have handled things. do they envy our relative "freedom"? no, they think we're ****ing idiots:

https://poll.lowyinstitute.org/charts/global-responses-to-covid-19/

States within India, Sweden, Israel, and other highly vaccinated place tell a different story

states WITHIN those countries, eh? nice attempt to confuse

guess what? states within this country wildly vary as well...and it's strongly linked to vaccination rates in those individual states

But you can choose to believe who you want to believe. keep tuned into CNN and follow all the guidelines from "Dr Fauci".

"dr. fauci" is a world renowned epidemiologist. including receiving the presidential medal of freedom from one george w. bush

I hope you stay healthy. I trust my sources and my experience.

nobody else does

As for the election the Arizona audit is coming out within 2 weeks. Decertification of their election is a possible outcome.

no, it's absolutely NOT a possible outcome. it's a fraud audit being run by a trump fan who has never run an audit of anything in his life. it's taken way, WAY longer than they said it would...so they can collect more money. they had to shut it down for a while for a freaking graduation ceremony. total farce. stop being bamboozled by right wing media horse****

If Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Georgia are so confident that their elections were legit then why have they fought so hard to stop potential audits?

because they had recounts and even republican officials admit that the results are legit

biden did better than hillary in EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY. particularly in red states! so was there fraud in those GOP-led states as well? the audit talk is all total baloney

Mask wearing is extremely marginally helpful, and totally unnecessary outdoors.

false. see recent ginormous africa study for just the latest evidence

As for Australia and New Zealand, they will have their Covid outbreaks eventually. They can't all be locked up forever

they have not been locked down for the entire pandemic. jaysus. they rationally impose lockdowns when there are case surges

as for the alcohol limit, it's the same goddamn reason american stores were limiting purchases of all sorts of things, including toilet paper: irrational panic hording causing shortages. truly not difficult to comprehend

In the meantime they are severely hurting their economy and their populace is not going to achieve herd immunity.

YOU DO NOT NEED HERD IMMUNITY IF ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE VACCINATED!

Sweden, as the long term statistics will show, has had the most success overall with the least disruption to their society.

ah yes, they WILL show, right? as opposed to what they show right now, which is that sweden and norway did not have radically different economic impacts despite radically different approaches to COVID-19

and you're a real sicko if you don't think that pandemic hospitalizations/deaths are a disruption to society. if you can't keep your freaking hospitals below capacity, that's not a "society." it's a lord of the flies free-for-all

Some good scientists have written that they expect the side effects from the Covid "vaccines" will worsen with each subsequent injection.

it's always "the next injection" with you people

[chifan1798]

Please people, take the advice of your doctor not some random person spouting their opinions. Talk to him or her about your individual risks, given your health profile, and they are the ones that can guide you in the right direction. As a physician myself, it’s infuriating to see people always trying to point out some random findings that have no where near the amount of people studied, and try to compare it to the proven statistics.

Go ahead and take the chance of getting the virus itself. Many people regret the decision when it’s too late. Also, no on really talks about the long term quality of life changes that occur to people who “survive”. If you knew how many people had to wear portable oxygen long term due to not being able to walk 10 feet without getting short of breath…or have to endure hemodialysis due to renal failure…or had parts of their body amputated due to blood clots…or psychotic breaks…or contemplating suicide due to the significant quality of life changes they’ve experienced. There is a reason why 90% of the people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated. That is all the proof that anyone should need that there is benefit to having the vaccine.

[dice]

Please people, take the advice of your doctor not some random person spouting their opinions. Talk to him or her about your individual risks, given your health profile, and they are the ones that can guide you in the right direction. As a physician myself, it’s infuriating to see people always trying to point out some random findings that have no where near the amount of people studied, and try to compare it to the proven statistics.

Go ahead and take the chance of getting the virus itself. Many people regret the decision when it’s too late. Also, no on really talks about the long term quality of life changes that occur to people who “survive”. If you knew how many people had to wear portable oxygen long term due to not being able to walk 10 feet without getting short of breath…or have to endure hemodialysis due to renal failure…or had parts of their body amputated due to blood clots…or psychotic breaks…or contemplating suicide due to the significant quality of life changes they’ve experienced. There is a reason why 90% of the people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated. That is all the proof that anyone should need that there is benefit to having the vaccine.

i'll add that any skeptic can simply talk to ANY ER doctor who has had to deal with this

[TheStig]

And there is no question that younger people are at greater risk from the "vaccines" than they are from the actual virus.

This isn't remotely true and can be shown pretty clearly statistically.

And it is quite clear that catching the virus and developing natural immunity thereby provides a much more robust antibody response over time than do the "vaccines".

This might be also be true, but you take significantly higher risk developing natural immunity.

young healthy men are at greatest risk of developing myocarditis from the "vaccines" than are members of other age cohorts.

Myocarditis from the vaccine is about 1/50k for young people and death is about 1/10k from actually getting COVID for young people. The vaccine definitely isn't without some risk, but getting COVID still has considerably more risk.

So I'm not going to defend the video or even watch it but there are things that are scientifically proven that turn out to kill us......like lead and asbestos and other things that at the time were scientifically shown to be harmless. We won't know the covid story till much later but a rushed vaccine that requires the vaccinated be protected from the unvaccinated doesn't inspire much confidence. To be honest if we all had n95's and used hand sanitizer regularly, it likely makes a bigger dent then just walking around with confidence in a vaccine that doesn't kill the virus and a bandana on your face. That's my 2 cents.

[Chi town]

Please people, take the advice of your doctor not some random person spouting their opinions. Talk to him or her about your individual risks, given your health profile, and they are the ones that can guide you in the right direction. As a physician myself, it’s infuriating to see people always trying to point out some random findings that have no where near the amount of people studied, and try to compare it to the proven statistics.

Go ahead and take the chance of getting the virus itself. Many people regret the decision when it’s too late. Also, no on really talks about the long term quality of life changes that occur to people who “survive”. If you knew how many people had to wear portable oxygen long term due to not being able to walk 10 feet without getting short of breath…or have to endure hemodialysis due to renal failure…or had parts of their body amputated due to blood clots…or psychotic breaks…or contemplating suicide due to the significant quality of life changes they’ve experienced. There is a reason why 90% of the people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated. That is all the proof that anyone should need that there is benefit to having the vaccine.

Appreciate your response and experience as a physician. Thanks for serving in such a crazy time.

As for the population above that you are highlighting… what is the age of these people
And the health profile? Obese? Comoribities?

[bulls_troy]

Here in Australia, Victoria and New South Wales are struggling with COVID outbreaks.

Where as states like mine, South Australia, has stopped COVID in its tracks the moment it creeps in by going into snap lockdowns the moment there is community transmission

[dougthonus]

So I'm not going to defend the video or even watch it but there are things that are scientifically proven that turn out to kill us......like lead and asbestos and other things that at the time were scientifically shown to be harmless. We won't know the covid story till much later but a rushed vaccine that requires the vaccinated be protected from the unvaccinated doesn't inspire much confidence. To be honest if we all had n95's and used hand sanitizer regularly, it likely makes a bigger dent then just walking around with confidence in a vaccine that doesn't kill the virus and a bandana on your face. That's my 2 cents.

There has never been a vaccine that has shown to cause you harm 10 years later after a single dose. Things like lead and asbestos cause harm because of daily, regular exposure. If you had to take a vaccine every day, I'd be totally with you. It would be highly questionable what it would due over the long haul and would need years of testing to figure out what the long term impact could be. Actually taking a random set of pills like the OP suggests, is FAR more likely to hurt you long term than a vaccine because you are giving your body daily exposure and the impacts of that exposure is more questionable.

Your body more or less processes anything it gets in the short term and gets rid of it pretty quickly. Any affects from the vaccine (and there are a normal amount of htem for a vaccine) would be seen immediately. Those immediate affects may still cause long term problems, but they will be seen immediately. You won't get a mystery side effect 10 years from now because of a single dose of something. This applies to literally anything and if you think I'm wrong name a counter example of something that caused impact on a single exposure (or two exposures) a decade later but didn't cause a problem at the time. If you have long term problems they stem from something seen basically immediately or something you have significant repeated exposure to.

We have now given out 4 billion or so doses of the vaccine. That's more doses than vaccines you give your kids without even thinking twice because things like the chicken pox vaccine haven't had near that number of total doses given out. Given that mystery side effects a decade later have never happened, regardless of what you think of the trials (which by the way, weren't shorter than other trials from a number of participants level, just fast tracked through funding and paperwork for approval), there is now enough evidence where we very conclusively know the side effects of the vaccine. They do exist, the vaccine does carry real measurable risk, and if you look at actual outcomes, you can see exactly what it is.

If you want to say the 1/20000 or so risk of a significant side effect is too much for you vs the 1/10000 risk (if young and healthy otherwise much worse) that you straight up die from COVID, or the 1/100 or so risk that you have a serious side effect from COVID (if young and health otherwise much worse) then you're not doing the math right though.

If we all wore N95 Masks all the time it would do more to slow the spread, I agree, but then you'd also have to keep restaurants / gatherings to a minimum, and N95 masks are also pretty expensive and not readily available on the mass production scale we need them to be. Even if we just hard core wore normal masks all the time, it would probably keep the spread way down. From a practical perspective, people won't stop going maskless at home or when visiting people or stop visiting people and a vaccine is by far preferable for most people and allows us way more freedom in activities and a radically more normal life.

If you believe that we probably can't really put this back in the box and kill it completely, then the vaccine is a way better outcome of protecting people from severe illness and continuing to evolve the vaccine to fight the latest variants would be my choice.

If we didn't have a bunch of anti-vaxxers in this country right now (which two years ago would have put you on the same level as flat-earther in terms of perceived intelligence), then we probably wouldn't have a serious COVID problem in the country right now.

[chifan1798]

Please people, take the advice of your doctor not some random person spouting their opinions. Talk to him or her about your individual risks, given your health profile, and they are the ones that can guide you in the right direction. As a physician myself, it’s infuriating to see people always trying to point out some random findings that have no where near the amount of people studied, and try to compare it to the proven statistics.

Go ahead and take the chance of getting the virus itself. Many people regret the decision when it’s too late. Also, no on really talks about the long term quality of life changes that occur to people who “survive”. If you knew how many people had to wear portable oxygen long term due to not being able to walk 10 feet without getting short of breath…or have to endure hemodialysis due to renal failure…or had parts of their body amputated due to blood clots…or psychotic breaks…or contemplating suicide due to the significant quality of life changes they’ve experienced. There is a reason why 90% of the people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated. That is all the proof that anyone should need that there is benefit to having the vaccine.

Appreciate your response and experience as a physician. Thanks for serving in such a crazy time.

As for the population above that you are highlighting… what is the age of these people
And the health profile? Obese? Comoribities?

Most of those people were somewhere from their 40’s-70’s. It was a lot of variability with the patients. I would say the majority of the people that I knew of were not obese, however did have some type of underlying condition such as COPD, diabetes, HTN, chronic kidney disease stage I, etc.

However, I wouldn’t breathe a sigh of relief just yet, because those people were diagnosed with COVID in 2020 or early 2021, when the older population was the demographic taking the brunt of the illness and subsequent sequelae. With this delta variant, we are indeed seeing the younger population dealing with it much more than before, and many of these young people are healthy. One recent case that exemplifies all of the debate that is going around, is a family that lives in a state where there are no mask mandates for their child’s school. The child got infected, and brought it home to the parents. The parents are in their mid 30’s. The mother was vaccinated, and is at home with her child. The father was not vaccinated, and in desperate need of an ECMO machine to help him breathe, and unfortunately we don’t have that capability at our hospital. The staff have tried and called numerous hospitals to see if they can transfer the patient with no luck. This guy is likely going to die without it. The nurse is in tears after each rejection from the other hospitals. Hopefully they can find him somewhere before he succumbs to the illness. If he does survive, we won’t know until many months from now, what long term effects that he may have, and whether his quality of life has changed. In general, we won’t know the long term effects of the young and healthy until months from now, because it just started hitting this demographic a couple of months ago.

[robert76]

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I've been studying the Virus, its origins, the pandemic and the different approaches taken by individual countries for more than a year. I've seen draconian restrictions on personal liberties in countries like Australia and New Zealand. And the almost hands off approach taken by Sweden. I have seen serious outbreaks of the Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries like Israel. And there is a credible school of thought that has postulated that the mass vaccinations helped to drive the alpha origin to mutate into a more infectious delta strain of the virus. Many vaccinated people came down with the variant. Vaccinated people can harbor greater viral loads without displaying outward symptoms. And there is no question that younger people are at greater risk from the "vaccines" than they are from the actual virus. And it is quite clear that catching the virus and developing natural immunity thereby provides a much more robust antibody response over time than do the "vaccines". Of particular note since this is a basketball site.....young healthy men are at greatest risk of developing myocarditis from the "vaccines" than are members of other age cohorts. I have advised all my extended family members to avoid getting their children or young adult children vaccinated. My advice to all is that the only people who should be getting vaccinated are the elderly and those with serious co-morbidities. We should adopt the same strategy being employed in certain area of India and in Sweden. Everyone should be taking a prophylactic cocktail of of supplements to include QUERCETIN, VITAMIN D, ZINC, VITAMIN C AND TUMERIC. And those at higher risk like medical professionals with direct patient care responsibilities should also take a weekly dose of Ivermectin. It is worrisome to me to see the lengths with which our incompetent and corrupt government has used the media and social media to stifle information and debate regarding alternative approaches. The state of Upper Pradesh in India, with a population of 275 Million, has virtually NO Covid hospitalizations right now after a year of utilizing the the prophylactic approach with Vitamin D, zinc and ivermectin. Don't believe the government's bull regarding hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Both are highly effective in preventing an exposed person from developing a full blown case of Covid. But they must be given early. If a patient is admitted in serious condition the use of HCQ and Ivermectin will likely not alter the course of the disease. By then it's too late. HCQ and ivermectin (and to a lesser extent the bioflavanoid Quercetin) act as ionophores....that is to say that they make cell walls more permeable to ions, and in this case it is the zinc ions that are the key ingredient. For when zinc gets into the viral cell it disrupts the replication of the virus. (It is why zinc gluconate lozenges have been touted for helping to relieve cold symptoms.) This action by the zinc ions is not limited to the Covid virus. It applies to ANY RNA virus. And most of the infectious viruses that afflict humans are RNA viruses. So to summarize my view you should be taking quercetin, Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin C and Tumeric. I take 2 capsules of quercetin daily, one capsule of 50mg zinc piccolnate (more absorbable), 4,000 units of Vitamin D daily, 500 mg of Vitamin C twice a day and 2400 mg of Tumeric twice a day (tumeric is an excellent immune modulator and natural anti-inflammatory). This regimin is safe, inexpensive, and I have no fear of getting a serious case of Covid.

Cool. Can you tell us what is your experience in virology and what lab did you use for your study? Cause looking up videos and articles that say what you want to hear doesn't mean you studied the virus.

You say, "And there is a credible school of thought that has postulated that the mass vaccinations helped to drive the alpha origin to mutate into a more infectious delta strain of the virus." The Delta variant was identified in India, in December 2020. There was no mass vaccination at that time anywhere in the world, let alone in India, where Covid vaccination started in January 2021.

[Chi town]

Please people, take the advice of your doctor not some random person spouting their opinions. Talk to him or her about your individual risks, given your health profile, and they are the ones that can guide you in the right direction. As a physician myself, it’s infuriating to see people always trying to point out some random findings that have no where near the amount of people studied, and try to compare it to the proven statistics.

Go ahead and take the chance of getting the virus itself. Many people regret the decision when it’s too late. Also, no on really talks about the long term quality of life changes that occur to people who “survive”. If you knew how many people had to wear portable oxygen long term due to not being able to walk 10 feet without getting short of breath…or have to endure hemodialysis due to renal failure…or had parts of their body amputated due to blood clots…or psychotic breaks…or contemplating suicide due to the significant quality of life changes they’ve experienced. There is a reason why 90% of the people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated. That is all the proof that anyone should need that there is benefit to having the vaccine.

Appreciate your response and experience as a physician. Thanks for serving in such a crazy time.

As for the population above that you are highlighting… what is the age of these people
And the health profile? Obese? Comoribities?

Most of those people were somewhere from their 40’s-70’s. It was a lot of variability with the patients. I would say the majority of the people that I knew of were not obese, however did have some type of underlying condition such as COPD, diabetes, HTN, chronic kidney disease stage I, etc.

However, I wouldn’t breathe a sigh of relief just yet, because those people were diagnosed with COVID in 2020 or early 2021, when the older population was the demographic taking the brunt of the illness and subsequent sequelae. With this delta variant, we are indeed seeing the younger population dealing with it much more than before, and many of these young people are healthy. One recent case that exemplifies all of the debate that is going around, is a family that lives in a state where there are no mask mandates for their child’s school. The child got infected, and brought it home to the parents. The parents are in their mid 30’s. The mother was vaccinated, and is at home with her child. The father was not vaccinated, and in desperate need of an ECMO machine to help him breathe, and unfortunately we don’t have that capability at our hospital. The staff have tried and called numerous hospitals to see if they can transfer the patient with no luck. This guy is likely going to die without it. The nurse is in tears after each rejection from the other hospitals. Hopefully they can find him somewhere before he succumbs to the illness. If he does survive, we won’t know until many months from now, what long term effects that he may have, and whether his quality of life has changed. In general, we won’t know the long term effects of the young and healthy until months from now, because it just started hitting this demographic a couple of months ago.

Thanks for your story and input. Very helpful.

All of COVID is a series of managing risks. As a physician how are you treating the mental health side of things due to lockdowns, distancing etc. I’m having lots of convos with doctors and nurses that are close friends and neighbors.

[Almost Retired]

Cool. Can you tell us what is your experience in virology and what lab did you use for your study? Cause looking up videos and articles that say what you want to hear doesn't mean you studied the virus.

You say, "And there is a credible school of thought that has postulated that the mass vaccinations helped to drive the alpha origin to mutate into a more infectious delta strain of the virus." The Delta variant was identified in India, in December 2020. There was no mass vaccination at that time anywhere in the world, let alone in India, where Covid vaccination started in January 2021.

Almost 40 years working in hospitals, I know enough, and I read a vast amount of scientific papers for my job.

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Basic ScienceScience and the MediaVaccines
Are vaccines driving the emergence of “escape mutant” variants of COVID-19?
Geert Vanden Bossche is back, and this time he’s blaming COVID-19 vaccines for driving the evolution of more dangerous “escape variants” of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease, that are capable of evading vaccine-induced immunity. As antivaxxers making this argument always do, unfortunately, he ignores the much larger problem in which free circulation of the virus is a far more powerful driver of evolution than the relatively small proportion of the world population that has as yet been vaccinated.

David Gorski on August 16, 2021

I was perusing the in box of my account for this blog last week, when I came across a bit of what I like to call “fan mail”. No, this wasn’t hate mail (which is what a lot of my “fan mail” consists of), but rather an email of the “Won’t you reconsider what you wrote about a crank?” variety. The crank is Geert Vanden Bossche, whom I first wrote about in March in the context of an open letter by him that had gone viral warning of global catastrophe if the mass vaccination campaign against COVID-19 were not stopped. The reason for his warning was a prediction that mass vaccination would select for more dangerous variants of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. This led a reader (whose name I will not reveal) to ask me whether, in light of the much more transmissible (and possibly more virulent) Delta variant that’s been spreading across the US like proverbial wildfire over the last few of months, I might want to “reconsider” my previous criticism of Vanden Bossche:

I just saw an MSN article about how doctors are terrified of what is coming…I wonder if perhaps you would reconsider your critique of Geert Vanden Bossche. He seems to have been prescient, even if the causes are not exactly as he had predicted. The media loves to call this a “pandemic of the unvaccinated,” but other countries have noted a high percentage of “cases” among the vaccinated, while the CDC found that in the Cape Cod incident, 75% of the infected were vaccinated, and, that they were just as likely to transmit the virus as the not vaccinated. If the idea that the vaccinated have very mild illness is true, they are much more probable to spread the illness. For example, they may not recognize their mild symptoms as COVID, and not consider that they, being vaccinated, are able to contract and spread it.

It is also a bit facile that you characterize Vanden Bossche as “anti vaxx.” This epithet seems to be tossed around at anyone who doesn’t suddenly rush out and take the mRNA vaccines. As well, the terms “conspiracy theorist” and “disinformation” get thrown around quite a bit, as if any debate or dissension from the media narrative is either gravely deluded, or perhaps even malicious.

This particular reader cited an article published on the conspiracy website ZeroHedge titled ‘Vaccine Expert Vanden Bossche Calls For “Immediate Halt” To Vaccinations, Says They Encourage “Escape Mutant” Variants‘. Included in that article are two interviews with Vanden Bossche, one by Dr. Chris Martenson for the Peak Prosperity vlog, titled “Vaccines: Awesome Ingenuity or A Huge Mistake?”:

I note that evolutionary biologist turned COVID-19 contrarian and conspiracy theorist Bret Weinstein has been featured on SBM before, mainly for his promotion of the unproven anti-worm drug ivermectin as a miracle cure for COVID-19 based on very bad science and a massive misunderstanding of meta-analyses. I’m not going to go into the weeds of these podcasts so much, given that the viral ZeroHedge article that has been spreading around social media like a proverbial Delta variant of COVID-19 misinformation is much newer than either of those podcasts and links to a blog post by Vanden Bossche (ominously titled “C-19 Pandemia: Quo vadis, homo sapiens?”) that contains his latest arguments.

Before I get into the question of whether “Vanden Bossche was right” or not, first let me point out that I don’t use the terms “antivaxxer” and “conspiracy theorist” lightly. I only use them when the person being described is definitely spreading antivaccine pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, and I believe I documented quite thoroughly that Vanden Bossche was doing exactly that in his letter. Let’s just put it this way. When your prediction of “global catastrophe” to COVID-19 mass vaccination invokes almost exactly the same argument that the godfather of the modern antivaccine movement, Andrew Wakefield, used a mere three months before the reports of an outbreak of a novel coronavirus disease in Wuhan, China regarding measles and the MMR vaccine, you are antivaccine. Sure, Vanden Bossche adapted Wakefield’s arguments to the specifics of COVID-19 vaccination, but at its heart his was basically the same argument that Wakefield had made, that mass vaccination would drive the evolution of new variants of the virus being vaccinated against so that it would become more deadly and better able to evade a vaccine-acquired immune response. Indeed, as I described not long after he had published his article in the house journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), Wakefield took his prediction to a ridiculous extreme, predicting a mass extinction of—you guessed it—humans due to ever more deadly measles variants selected for by mass MMR vaccination. Vanden Bossche predicted basically the same thing due to COVID-19 vaccination, even citing some of the same examples as Wakefield. Let’s just put it this way. When your message is approvingly embraced by antivaccine propagandists like Del Bigtree, either you yourself are antivaccine or you should really take it to heart that antivaxxers love you and rethink your arguments.

You can't cut and past entire articles, particularly without linking the source. Realgm can get in trouble. I edited it down. Please provide a link - coldfish

[Almost Retired]

Let me ’Splain’ It for You

By Ted Noel, MD September 20, 2021

Let’s get one thing clear, right from the front. I’m not the big expert. That’s because there’s waaaay too much information for any one person to understand. I’m just the “splainer,” since I’m the nut who has taken waaaay too much time away from his golf game to study the experts and learn what’s actually going on so I can ‘splain it for you. Don’t try this at home. I am a professional. I spent 36 years practicing medicine, with a huge chunk of that time wearing masks, both in the operating room and the expensive – oops – Intensive Care Unit. My job is to translate “doctor” into English.

First things have to come first, and like a lot of other times, I have to start with one of those bits where I hit my forehead with my palm and cry out “Duh!” Like every other doctor, there was something I missed that should have been totally obvious.

Vaccines don’t keep you from getting infected by a virus.

You read that right. Vaccines don’t keep anyone from getting infected. Their job is to keep you from getting sick. In fact, every good vaccine prepares your immune system to shut down an infection after it has gotten started. That’s because antibodies and T-cells live in your bloodstream. They can’t do a damn thing about a virus that hasn’t infected you enough to get into your blood. But once it gets there they can go to work, keeping the bug from hurting you. At least, that’s the theory. And that’s where we find the first problem.

Airborne diseases like COVID-19 don’t go straight into your blood. Instead, after you breathe enough virus-laden aerosols in, the air sacs in your lungs get a pretty good covering of virus. This doesn’t make you sick. But the virus latches onto the pneumocytes (the cells on the inside of the air sacs) and start making more virus. This means you can share with your neighbor. In fact, many vaccinated people actually breathe out as much virus as someone who is sick with COVID-19.

But you aren’t defenseless. Your air sacs have “alveolar macrophages,” specialized cells that use “Pattern Recognition Receptors” to identify the Wuhan Flu. Over time, they will clean out the air sacs. And vaccinated people seem to be infectious for a shorter period than unvaccinated.

The viruses that got into the pneumocytes will create more viruses, and some of those will find their way across the basement membrane (the barrier between blood and air in your lungs) into your bloodstream. Once there, if your immunity is good, your T-cells and antibodies will get to work. You may never even know you were infected. Of course, since the vaccine is only about 85% effective, you might get sick.

Suppose you are one of those vaccinated people who gets infected. You could even have gotten it from your vaccinated friend who got it… somewhere. The bug is “in the wild.” That means it is everywhere. You can’t avoid it unless you stay outdoors 24/7/365. Out there any virus is diluted so much that you won’t catch it, and in the daytime, the sun will destroy it with UV light. That’s why the number of people who have caught the Wuhan Flu outdoors is indistinguishable from zero.

Indoors, with recirculated air conditioning, the virus concentrates. It stays in the air for hours or days. So when you go into a space where someone has been shedding virus for a while (vaccinated?), you will get exposed. And don’t give me that mask-wearing nonsense. The other guy wasn’t wearing a mask that cut down the amount of virus he left behind by any meaningful amount. He’s breathing out as many as 100,000 virus particles a minute. You only need 100-1000 in your lungs to get you infected. You aren’t wearing a properly fitted fresh N-95. That means the virus gets to you easily. Both masks were nothing but virtue signaling. Their only real possible value is as bling. Neither mask provided any material protection. There was no source control on the other guy and no exposure control for you.

This brings us to the 600-pound gorilla in the room. You are more likely to get infected today than months ago because of the vaccine. This is the “Superbug Problem.”

A few years ago we were all worried about bacteria that couldn’t be killed with antibiotics. They were so deadly that anyone who “caught” MRSA or C-Diff was doomed. But you don’t “catch” those bacteria. They are common. In ordinary circumstances, they compete with so many other bacteria that they are a non-event. If you kill off all the other bacteria with antibiotics, MRSA and C-Diff are what’s left. Now you have a problem. You didn’t create the bugs. You created the situation where they could take over and kill your patient.

We fixed this problem by severely restricting antibiotics. I got three days of an old drug after my shoulder replacement. That’s it. I wasn’t on cefazolin any longer than absolutely necessary, and it didn’t have time to wipe out a lot of bacteria in my body. MRSA and C-Diff never got a toehold.

Vaccines are doing exactly the same thing, just with COVD variants. The Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines provide immunity to the alpha variant spike protein. Because viruses are constantly mutating, there are dozens of variants. We hear about the Delta, but Lambda and Mu are already in the wild. Each one of these has a slightly different spike protein, making your immunity not so good. But if you recover from COVID, you also have immunity to other parts of the virus, such as the nucleocapsid and envelope. The Fauci ouchy doesn’t help with them. That’s why your immunity after recovery is much longer-lasting and robust than after the shot. It also explains why Gibraltar, with a 99% vaccination rate, is having huge problems with COVID variants. It’s also why getting a booster coding for just the alpha spike is stupid. You need immunity to the whole virus.

But how do you get over a case of Wuhan Fu? Space doesn’t allow a full discussion, but the CDC and FDA are totally invested in expensive vaccines that cause myocarditis, strokes, miscarriages, and other major complications. They have not only refused to endorse any prehospital treatment whatever but they are also actively discouraging effective protocols, such as the $8 per person treatment that stopped the Delta variant in India. One has to wonder if it’s because it uses Ivermectin, an incredibly inexpensive drug with very little toxicity.

We will never eliminate COVID because it has animal reservoirs that will pass the virus back and forth from animals to humans. If we follow Sweden’s example, where natural immunity has basically eliminated the Delta epidemic, we can go completely back to normal, as long as we treat the bug in the early stages. If we continue to vax, mask, and lockdown, expecting a different result…

You can’t fix stupid.

Ted Noel MD is a retired Anesthesiologist and Intensivist who posts on social media as DoctorTed and @vidzette.

[Almost Retired]

Here's a nurse who may have figured delta out
By Leann Horrocks September 21, 2021

As the big picture begins to sharpen on the COVID pandemic, a few things become clear to me.

The "vaccine" isn't even a vaccine. It is a radical gene therapy currently being tested on the human race.
The vaccine doesn't work for its stated purpose. It doesn't prevent infection.
The vaccine is very risky — far more so than getting the disease. The VAERS system for recording vaccine injuries shows breathtaking statistics despite being undermined by erasures, denial of reports, and failure to count eligible reports.
Natural immunity from those who have recovered from the disease is far superior to the vaccine for prevention.
The vast majority of the information outlets in America have been enlisted to join the government in a fiercely aggressive effort to force every living person to get the vaccine. This does not square with the above facts. Perhaps that is why, as of last May, 40% of the people in Fauci's NIAID had declined to be vaccinated. A Forbes article noted that "[t]he unvaccinated include nearly 1 in 3 workers at the nation's 50 largest hospitals."

One of the administration's blunt force tools is total hysteria about the delta variant. There have been many "variants" identified so far — plenty of supply to keep things going if this maneuver works politically. Another weapon deployed against American citizenry is the withholding of information about efficacious treatment (HCQ and ivermectin) as well as any statistic that counters the favored narrative. I am still trying to get to the "why."

Sadly, the upper echelons of the medical profession have also sold out to the effort — including doctors. Whatever happened to the "first do no harm" part of their professional oath? They have become cowed employees of big marketing conglomerates and hospitals. Medical professionals at every level can blast out support for the policy and they will be heard; the press especially loves to quote doctors. A few brave souls speak out against the jab, but being egocentric doctors, they always identify themselves when they speak. Not so with nurses.

Nurses share a fact of life with paralegals. They may be respected and beloved by their co-workers, but they will never rise to the top of their profession in terms of prestige or actual power within the organization. This makes them free to speak anonymously. Nurses witness suffering and treatment up close. They get it. So I tend to read nurse testimonials with interest — I am inclined to believe them.

Not all nurses are against the jab. Some are true believers in it, but many are not. I noted an article called "COVID ICU Nurse Admits She No Longer Trusts Doctors' Care." In it, a nurse notes the total buy-in by doctors of refusing to talk about problems with the vaccine. Not only that, but they actively pursue everyone, even the ones with a bad first shot, to get the full vaccine.

Here's some of what she had to say:

[I]n her experience there is no testing available for the Delta variant, she has not seen the word Delta on any patient charts, and the only time she's dealt with the word "Delta" is from her administration directing staff to get the jab due to this mystery variant. ...

"This is horrific. This vaccine rollout is a nightmare and the media is completely not telling the public any truth of what is going on with the vaccines."

This brave nurse also said something that struck me like a bolt of lightning. It was so true, and it answered a lot of questions. She said, "The delta variant is the vaccine-injured."

I am beginning to wonder if the self-declared "elites" have even gotten the actual vaccine. That may account for their cavalier way of not following restrictive rules when they think no one is watching. Maybe all of these jabs are not equal — Japan got a very big bad batch. I pray that Israel has not been conned into committing mass suicide. There is way too much we are not being told, all of which makes the idea that the delta variant is the locus of vaccine injuries credible.

Keep reading, and make up your own mind. If you don't want to get the jab, don't. You are not alone. I will die one day, as we all will; nonetheless, I am not letting them kill me to serve their ghoulish experiment, or worse, some grand eugenics plan.

[dougthonus]

Let me ’Splain’ It for You

You can’t fix stupid.

Well he got one thing right.

Take your medical advice from a xenophobic conspiracy theorist rather than peer reviewed studies with millions of data points.

My favorite part was when he said the government wants you to spend money on vaccines (which are free for you) vs the cheaper alternative of a daily cocktail of inexpensive drugs that you must pay for yourself.

I'm not against the idea that ivemecetin may be a valuable medicine for COVID (or that some other valuable medicine may exist), but when it is presented by an illogical, xenophobic, conspiracy theorist that is clearly trying to tap into emotional responses and natural inclination to mistrust the government/data even when his argument falls apart instantly, well that's hard to buy in to.

[dougthonus]

Here's a nurse who may have figured delta out
By Leann Horrocks September 21, 2021

As the big picture begins to sharpen on the COVID pandemic, a few things become clear to me.

The "vaccine" isn't even a vaccine. It is a radical gene therapy currently being tested on the human race.
The vaccine doesn't work for its stated purpose. It doesn't prevent infection.
The vaccine is very risky — far more so than getting the disease. The VAERS system for recording vaccine injuries shows breathtaking statistics despite being undermined by erasures, denial of reports, and failure to count eligible reports.
Natural immunity from those who have recovered from the disease is far superior to the vaccine for prevention.
The vast majority of the information outlets in America have been enlisted to join the government in a fiercely aggressive effort to force every living person to get the vaccine. This does not square with the above facts. Perhaps that is why, as of last May, 40% of the people in Fauci's NIAID had declined to be vaccinated. A Forbes article noted that "[t]he unvaccinated include nearly 1 in 3 workers at the nation's 50 largest hospitals."

One of the administration's blunt force tools is total hysteria about the delta variant. There have been many "variants" identified so far — plenty of supply to keep things going if this maneuver works politically. Another weapon deployed against American citizenry is the withholding of information about efficacious treatment (HCQ and ivermectin) as well as any statistic that counters the favored narrative. I am still trying to get to the "why."

Sadly, the upper echelons of the medical profession have also sold out to the effort — including doctors. Whatever happened to the "first do no harm" part of their professional oath? They have become cowed employees of big marketing conglomerates and hospitals. Medical professionals at every level can blast out support for the policy and they will be heard; the press especially loves to quote doctors. A few brave souls speak out against the jab, but being egocentric doctors, they always identify themselves when they speak. Not so with nurses.

Nurses share a fact of life with paralegals. They may be respected and beloved by their co-workers, but they will never rise to the top of their profession in terms of prestige or actual power within the organization. This makes them free to speak anonymously. Nurses witness suffering and treatment up close. They get it. So I tend to read nurse testimonials with interest — I am inclined to believe them.

Not all nurses are against the jab. Some are true believers in it, but many are not. I noted an article called "COVID ICU Nurse Admits She No Longer Trusts Doctors' Care." In it, a nurse notes the total buy-in by doctors of refusing to talk about problems with the vaccine. Not only that, but they actively pursue everyone, even the ones with a bad first shot, to get the full vaccine.

Here's some of what she had to say:

[I]n her experience there is no testing available for the Delta variant, she has not seen the word Delta on any patient charts, and the only time she's dealt with the word "Delta" is from her administration directing staff to get the jab due to this mystery variant. ...

"This is horrific. This vaccine rollout is a nightmare and the media is completely not telling the public any truth of what is going on with the vaccines."

This brave nurse also said something that struck me like a bolt of lightning. It was so true, and it answered a lot of questions. She said, "The delta variant is the vaccine-injured."

I am beginning to wonder if the self-declared "elites" have even gotten the actual vaccine. That may account for their cavalier way of not following restrictive rules when they think no one is watching. Maybe all of these jabs are not equal — Japan got a very big bad batch. I pray that Israel has not been conned into committing mass suicide. There is way too much we are not being told, all of which makes the idea that the delta variant is the locus of vaccine injuries credible.

Keep reading, and make up your own mind. If you don't want to get the jab, don't. You are not alone. I will die one day, as we all will; nonetheless, I am not letting them kill me to serve their ghoulish experiment, or worse, some grand eugenics plan.

I mean, holy cow, did you read this thing? We're quoting an anonymous nurse that said the delta variant doesn't exist and is just people who have been injured by the vaccine?