2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

[ShouldaPaidBG]

What I would do is let Zach walk or trade or whatever and draft Jaden Hardy with our pick

[TheSuzerain]

Lofton Jr is staying in the draft.

He is flatly a better prospect than Liddell imo.

What makes him better in your opinion?

Liddell has non existent ball skills aside from stationary passing/shooting (where he can be solid). I think that greatly limits his utility offensively. He's a guy you can hide a Lavine/Derozan on and not care.

Lofton meanwhile can get the ball and attack. I think he's a pretty big mismatch threat which greatly increases his offensive ceiling compared to a Liddell (or a Kendall Brown etc).

Defensively Liddell has the edge I'd say but he looks like a nice link in the chain to me. Not a huge impact guy.

I mean bottom line is that Lofton is 19 with perhaps the most obvious path to improvement in the whole class. Of course there's risk/projection involved here but he has a very nice track record already of competing with and out performing lottery talents.

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Haven’t seen Lofton play, but he’s hugely overweight. 6’7” 275? He’s got some work to do.

[Andi Obst]

Lofton Jr is staying in the draft.

He is flatly a better prospect than Liddell imo.

What makes him better in your opinion?

Liddell has non existent ball skills aside from stationary passing/shooting (where he can be solid). I think that greatly limits his utility offensively. He's a guy you can hide a Lavine/Derozan on and not care.

Lofton meanwhile can get the ball and attack. I think he's a pretty big mismatch threat which greatly increases his offensive ceiling compared to a Liddell (or a Kendall Brown etc).

Defensively Liddell has the edge I'd say but he looks like a nice link in the chain to me. Not a huge impact guy.

I mean bottom line is that Lofton is 19 with perhaps the most obvious path to improvement in the whole class. Of course there's risk/projection involved here but he has a very nice track record already of competing with and out performing lottery talents.

Appreciate the detailed explanation. Like I said in my last post, I like Kenny too. Ever since the U19 World Cup game against France. I’m just not sure if I can get to the point where I’d draft him at 18.

[MrSparkle]

What I would do is let Zach walk or trade or whatever and draft Jaden Hardy with our pick

Can't you just draft Hardy and keep Zach?

[sco]

Two good roster ideas that I'd love to see here that "only cost us $" are:

1) Free up a roster spot and buyout Marko

2) Buy a 2nd round pick (technically, I think we'd need to trade for someone's pick using cash considerations).

[Chi town]

Lofton Jr is staying in the draft.

He is flatly a better prospect than Liddell imo.

What makes him better in your opinion?

Liddell has non existent ball skills aside from stationary passing/shooting (where he can be solid). I think that greatly limits his utility offensively. He's a guy you can hide a Lavine/Derozan on and not care.

Lofton meanwhile can get the ball and attack. I think he's a pretty big mismatch threat which greatly increases his offensive ceiling compared to a Liddell (or a Kendall Brown etc).

Defensively Liddell has the edge I'd say but he looks like a nice link in the chain to me. Not a huge impact guy.

I mean bottom line is that Lofton is 19 with perhaps the most obvious path to improvement in the whole class. Of course there's risk/projection involved here but he has a very nice track record already of competing with and out performing lottery talents.

Lofton would be unplayable in the playoffs due to his PnR Defense. He has to lose 40lbs to stand a chance.

[Andi Obst]

Two good roster ideas that I'd love to see here that "only cost us $" are:

1) Free up a roster spot and buyout Marko

2) Buy a 2nd round pick (technically, I think we'd need to trade for someone's pick using cash considerations).

Getting a second round pick is useless because the league takes our next available second rounder away. So you’d trade for it to forfeit it.

[sco]

Two good roster ideas that I'd love to see here that "only cost us $" are:

1) Free up a roster spot and buyout Marko

2) Buy a 2nd round pick (technically, I think we'd need to trade for someone's pick using cash considerations).

Getting a second round pick is useless because the league takes our next available second rounder away. So you’d trade for it to forfeit it.

I think we can do it via trading for the player after the pick (that we directed).

[Andi Obst]

Two good roster ideas that I'd love to see here that "only cost us $" are:

1) Free up a roster spot and buyout Marko

2) Buy a 2nd round pick (technically, I think we'd need to trade for someone's pick using cash considerations).

Getting a second round pick is useless because the league takes our next available second rounder away. So you’d trade for it to forfeit it.

I think we can do it via trading for the player after the pick (that we directed).

I don’t know 100%, but that sounds like something the league wouldn’t allow. What’s the point of the punishment then?

[Chicago-Bull-E]

What I would do is let Zach walk or trade or whatever and draft Jaden Hardy with our pick

Can't you just draft Hardy and keep Zach?

Hardy shot 35% from the field, 27% from 3, had more turnovers than assists.

The guy is at best a project, at worst a complete bust. Asking him to slot in for Lavine immediately is pie in the sky talk.

[TheSuzerain]

What makes him better in your opinion?

Liddell has non existent ball skills aside from stationary passing/shooting (where he can be solid). I think that greatly limits his utility offensively. He's a guy you can hide a Lavine/Derozan on and not care.

Lofton meanwhile can get the ball and attack. I think he's a pretty big mismatch threat which greatly increases his offensive ceiling compared to a Liddell (or a Kendall Brown etc).

Defensively Liddell has the edge I'd say but he looks like a nice link in the chain to me. Not a huge impact guy.

I mean bottom line is that Lofton is 19 with perhaps the most obvious path to improvement in the whole class. Of course there's risk/projection involved here but he has a very nice track record already of competing with and out performing lottery talents.

Lofton would be unplayable in the playoffs due to his PnR Defense. He has to lose 40lbs to stand a chance.

Absolutely. But if he seems solid during interviews, I don't see why that isn't a very doable task.

[sco]

Getting a second round pick is useless because the league takes our next available second rounder away. So you’d trade for it to forfeit it.

I think we can do it via trading for the player after the pick (that we directed).

I don’t know 100%, but that sounds like something the league wouldn’t allow. What’s the point of the punishment then?

It's like not being able to trade consecutive 1sts, but being allowed to trade the player you pick in the 2nd year.

[BahamaBull]

My choice is an easy one...

With the 18th you get the best available.

And I would love if we get Ochai Agbaji with our pick. This kid is going to be amazing,

[Chi town]

Liddell has non existent ball skills aside from stationary passing/shooting (where he can be solid). I think that greatly limits his utility offensively. He's a guy you can hide a Lavine/Derozan on and not care.

Lofton meanwhile can get the ball and attack. I think he's a pretty big mismatch threat which greatly increases his offensive ceiling compared to a Liddell (or a Kendall Brown etc).

Defensively Liddell has the edge I'd say but he looks like a nice link in the chain to me. Not a huge impact guy.

I mean bottom line is that Lofton is 19 with perhaps the most obvious path to improvement in the whole class. Of course there's risk/projection involved here but he has a very nice track record already of competing with and out performing lottery talents.

Lofton would be unplayable in the playoffs due to his PnR Defense. He has to lose 40lbs to stand a chance.

Absolutely. But if he seems solid during interviews, I don't see why that isn't a very doable task.

More tall than doable. Kid should know enough to trim down to get the guaranteed bag. IMO it’s a bad look.

Interesting scenario… how many overweight players have lost 40+ lbs and been positive rotation players in the NBA?

[Chi town]

What I would do is let Zach walk or trade or whatever and draft Jaden Hardy with our pick

Can't you just draft Hardy and keep Zach?

Hardy shot 35% from the field, 27% from 3, had more turnovers than assists.

The guy is at best a project, at worst a complete bust. Asking him to slot in for Lavine immediately is pie in the sky talk.

Lofton shot 20% from 3

[MrSparkle]

Getting a second round pick is useless because the league takes our next available second rounder away. So you’d trade for it to forfeit it.

I think we can do it via trading for the player after the pick (that we directed).

I don’t know 100%, but that sounds like something the league wouldn’t allow. What’s the point of the punishment then?

I don't really think there was any point to the punishment to begin with. I'm fairly annoyed with the whole investigation. They should've fined them some money (along with Lebron X100) and left it at that.

If I was AK, I'd offer Indiana about $900k in cash considerations for the 60th pick to dump in the forfeit bin.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Can't you just draft Hardy and keep Zach?

Hardy shot 35% from the field, 27% from 3, had more turnovers than assists.

The guy is at best a project, at worst a complete bust. Asking him to slot in for Lavine immediately is pie in the sky talk.

Lofton shot 20% from 3

There’s about 50 guys I’d want before Kenny Lofton Jr. he’s not a serious consideration at 18.

[Bulldog23]

Jalen Williams might not be available at 18…the length as well as his three level scoring. I am struggling to think of a guard with similar profile and game.

[Dresden]

Draftnet now has Blake Wesley slotted at 18, and Kendall Brown down to 21. I could live with Wesley- you can never have too many dynamic guards with the ability to create for themselves. He sounds a bit like Jordan Poole, who the Warriors picked even though they had Klay and Steph.