NBA Trade Thread #13

[NecessaryEvil]

AD is injured every other game and is a packers fan

Hell no

[Infinity2152]

AD's median games played is around 65, average around 61. Already showed how he's middle of the pack injured among starting big men, while playing more minutes. I invite anybody to show some statistics that show AD is hurt significantly more than the average guy his size that plays a lot of minutes. Unless guys are saying they don't want a tall player or rim protector anymore, injury risk comes with the size. The few ironmen rarely get traded or hit free agency and are in the league 10-20 years.

As for Packers fan, he's also an NBA champion, veteran and one of the greatest players to ever come out of Chicago. Seems like a great guy, good locker room guy. He covers so many needs. What he could bring is more than just individual stats, I'm talking team defense, leadership, enforcer, mentor. He played 76 games just the year before last, this team is spoiled because of Vucevic.

Billy wouldn't play him more than 32 mins/gm and hopefully at PF, he's never played that few. Sure there's some risk, but most big man available have the same risk playing less minutes. AD is a top 10-15 player and could totally fit in with what we're doing without disrupting and much less pressure for him and playing at home. He is not Embid.

No offense meant to anyone who disagrees. I'd easily roll the dice on AD before Zion or Embid or PG13 or the other guys labeled injury risk. Especially with lower minutes/usage.

[madvillian]

I don't want any part of him. His median games played is meaningless to me given he's now 32 with chronic issues.

[Infinity2152]

I don't want any part of him. His median games played is meaningless to me given he's now 32 with chronic issues.

Is 32 the new old in the NBA? Like most of the top players in the league are around that age or older. Do teams usually do well with every player under 30? I though he was out with a calf injury, he has chronic issues?

Good luck adding a young, no risk top 15 player without trading the entire team. I know, I know. Keep doing nothing, waste this year and see what happens? What exactly are Bulls fans waiting on before we make a move?

[madvillian]

I don't want any part of him. His median games played is meaningless to me given he's now 32 with chronic issues.

Is 32 the new old in the NBA? Like most of the top players in the league are around that age or older. Do teams usually do well with every player under 30?

There's plenty of durable 32 year old players in the league. AD is not one of them and we'd be getting his 32-34 years paying full freight. We are not in a good position to go all in imo. Even if he was completely healthy I'd have concerns. The "he's from Chicago" angle I get, but it's not even a factor here for a serious FO.

[Infinity2152]

I don't want any part of him. His median games played is meaningless to me given he's now 32 with chronic issues.

Is 32 the new old in the NBA? Like most of the top players in the league are around that age or older. Do teams usually do well with every player under 30?

There's plenty of durable 32 year old players in the league. AD is not one of them and we'd be getting his 32-34 years paying full freight. We are not in a good position to go all in imo. Even if he was completely healthy I'd have concerns. The "he's from Chicago" angle I get, but it's not even a factor here for a serious FO.

Again, can you or anyone else show how he's less durable than the average guy his size? I posted the guys his size games last two years, he's in the middle. Right around where he's been for his career. If a player is in the middle, doesn't that mean "injury average"?

I put up my numbers with basic tools, lot of guys here have better resources. If anybody could compare AD's game played over a 2 year or 5-year period to guys of the same size playing 30+ minutes, that would be great. Every way I look at it, he's average injured for starting 6'11 guys playing big minutes. We could end the whole always injured if somebody please proves he's injured much more than average.

I'm curious, how many games do you guys think the average NBA starter playing 34+ minutes misses per season? Injury prone would mean he misses significantly more, say 30% more games than average, what number would be acceptable? Let's skip opinions and debate numbers.

None of the proposed packages for AD would be "all-in", expiring players plus Patrick Williams and a couple of picks was the suggestion. Very low cost for potential top 15 player. We're in exactly the position to do it before these contracts expire and it gets rid of Williams contract too.

Here's a question: would we be fine using load maintenance on AD and playing him 60 games, but he's healthy for the playoffs and only playing 32-34 mins/gm? His usage most years is around 30%, plus anchoring defense, running around blocking shots, catching oops for 36 minutes. Does that alone sound like it would lead to more injuries?

[ImSlower]

I think the main problem with trading for Anthony Davis in 2025 is paying him 62 million dollars in two years, when everyone on this and the GB seem to agree he's a huge risk of further physical decay. Even their inept owner is all over the news today, pumping the breaks on any hasty return.

[Infinity2152]

I think the main problem with trading for Anthony Davis in 2025 is paying him 62 million dollars in two years, when everyone on this and the GB seem to agree he's a huge risk of further physical decay. Even their inept owner is all over the news today, pumping the breaks on any hasty return.

I'd prefer JJJ myself, but I think the cost to get JJJ will be way more. Most bigs don't seem like they decline a lot between 32 and 34, imo. But of course theres some risk. But here's the thing:

Let's say you want to support/supplement this team right now: I'm struggling to think of a better FIT for our current team among max players or available players. Easy system fit.

AD is the second best 2-way big in the league after Giannis, imo. Best talent we could add.

Champion, veteran, Chicago born, seems like a great guy who could add to our chemistry instead of disrupting it. That's important too. I think he could come in and be Big Bro instead of clashing and competing for attention, shots, etc.

The cost: We're not giving up anything that hurts us.

Contract is max. Should be fine paying max contract for max talent. Even at 34, AD is likely a top 5 big, how bad do guys think he'll be at 34, lmao! If he was a UFA this summer, no doubt he gets multiple max contract offers of 3-4 years.

AD's the type of player we could NEVER get if he was healthy every year. His value is down now. Injury is a factor but all those other things are factors too. I don't think AD one man carries us to the championship, but I think adding him makes us a much better team.

[StephenAA]

Vucevic, Pat, Terry and POR 1st is what I would offer for AD

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This...
I may add a 2027 1st to get the deal done, but that's it.
If it's truly a 'fire sale', that might do it...

Look, the East is weak! You strike when the 'opponent' is weak!
While Matas and Noa are still extremely young, the rest of the roster is essentially 'veterans'.
It might be a good time to go 'all in' for the next 3 years with this AD trade.
Don't forget, if we can get AD for the above price, we can make other trades also...

After all, what other top 15 player are you hoping to get?

AA

[GuardianEnzo]

Vucevic, Pat, Terry and POR 1st is what I would offer for AD

Let me know when they stop laughing.

AD is not going to fetch a monster return at his age with his injury history, obviously. But it'll take more than that. Is it worth it for us, given that he's not enough to make us into a title contender? I would argue no, given that the cost is more likely to be something like the above but with Noa and our unprotected '26 first instead of the PDX pick. That doesn't mean I don't like him though - he's still one of the best two-way bigs in the league and probably has 2-3 really good seasons left in him.