Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[unknownnewbie]

This is my problem with players using family members as managers or agents -- the family members never seem to know when to shut up.

I don't know what star player Reggie Rose expected the Bulls to try to trade for. The biggest name out there was Josh Smith. And honestly, he isn't any better than Luol. The biggest "name" that got traded at the deadlien wa J.J. Redick -- who is a role player at best, although he is very good at the one thing he does (shoot the ball from long range). Someone is probably going to overpay Redick this summer. Someone like Redick would help the Bulls, yes -- but he wouldn't put them over the the top in a run for a championship.

If the Bulls do nothing this summer, then he can complain. But talking about it now is silly. The Bulls are probably the 2nd best team in the East when everyone is healthy -- it's not like the team is comprised of nothing but scrubs and role players.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

We have just entered Grown-Man land regarding Rose & the Bulls. Rose has done his part. It's now time for GarPax to do theirs & find a way to bring in a #2.

For those that are saying Rose "is showing his true colors", you damn right he is. He wants a title in Chicago & he is DEMANDING that the FO supply him with some real help so he can win one.

Whatever it takes, get Boozer's and/or Deng's bloated contracts off the books and get him some real help.

WHO!?!?!

Who is this help?

Like who? They won't ever be favored over the Miami unless they acquire Durant. And he's not available.

I always defend GarPax & JR, but something is up. A poster (Can't remember who) posted earlier that maybe something was on the table that the Bulls decided against.

I'm really beginning to believe that line of thinking. Something happened that made the Rose camp explode today. We may never know, but something major is up behind the scenes. IIRC, Reggie did not even mention Boozer's name today. Just Noah & Deng.

[Rerisen]

The saddest part is, this is a perfect moment for Rose to talk to the media. Clean his name. Separate himself from his brothers comments BUT unfortunately a press conference will not be sponsored by Adidas or pressured from Reggie and thus he won't speak. TNT game vs. Heat - any other superstar would speak. Rose, no.

No, bro. That's exactly what they want. But it won't be a press conference. Derrick deflecting what Reggie said and praising the team and front office, expressing his "trust", is the next step in this thing.

Good cop / bad cop.

But I think it will work, at least with the fans.

[DSand]

Dallas did it two years ago. One star, Dirk Nowitski, surrounded by above average role players like Kidd, Chandler, Marion, Terry.

Did you see their paryoll? That's what I call the Florida Marlins model. Spend ginormously to go for it one year, then clean house.

Sure the Bulls could try to win this route, they had the chance but passed. Resigning Asik and keeping Korver, which would have ballooned up our payroll, but that is the type of spending you must do in order to win on depth and multiple role player strength.

True, that team had incredible depth, and they paid for it. I was pointing out that they won the Trophy with only one true star, and it was against the Super Team Heat. The bottom line is that we can't score. I believe that it's only a matter of time before that issue is resolved and it requires patience, an old-world mentality, I know.

[coldfish]

OK, let's look at the team that Reggie cited, the Miami Heat. How were they created? Well, they tanked for huge capspace in 2010. Then, their leader spent literally years working over the best players in the game trying to get them to join him. Once convinced, that player took less than a max contract to make sure it all worked.

It helped that their leader was a part of the same draft class & he didn't have to work too hard to convince them. They decided years prior that they were gonna play together regardless. It was only a question of where.

Rose? He sent Lebron a text and left Wade a voicemail.

If everybody in the hood knew that Wade wasn't interested in coming back to Chicago, I'm sure that Rose was aware also. Regarding Lebron, they were not that close & everyone (including this board) knew that Wade & Bosh wanted him to join them wherever they signed.

When the new Rose-rule was put in place, he gladly gobbled up a full max contract putting Chicago into lux tax land creating problems for things like sign and trades.

Are you seriously blaming Rose for signing a max deal?

If Rose and his team aren't happy about looking up at the Miami Heat, they need to look in the mirror.

He had no control over those three players concocting a devious plan years prior to 2010 & he sure as hell should not be blamed for signing his max contract in Chicago.

I don't think I need to pull out my front office bashing credentials. I'll call them out but what Reggie Rose did today was completely and utterly ridiculous. Beyond that, it lacked any amount of nuance or intelligence. If he really wanted to build a winner in Chicago:
- He should have been pushing much harder in 2010, his best chance
- He should have been putting on public pressure this summer or before the trade deadline (you know, when the Bulls could have done something) and done so in a constructive fashion. His quotes sound less intelligent and informed than my 10 year old son.

You're calling Reggie's actions ridiculous, but you (nor I) have any idea what's been going on behind closed doors since D-Rose was drafted by the Bulls.

For those that are bringing up Cleveland . . . think about it. They gave a near max contract to Larry Hughes to get a second creator. They went all in for guys like Jamison to put shooters around Lebron. They got Mo Williams. They catered to every whim of Lebron and Maverick and it didn't work because they were all stupid panic moves made to placate Lebron. You guys wanting to trade the Charlotte pick for the likes of JJ Reddick and his expiring deal are pushing the same things . . . if not worse.

I don't know what's been going on behind closed doors, but another poster hit in on the head earlier in this thread. It's possible that something was on the table, but GarPax wouldn't let go of a particular player.

Man, I can't wait for tonight. This is going to be hot on TNT. Reggie Rose just nuked his brother's image. This is Dwight territory if not worse (Dwight was always PC in public). Rose would have done less damage by raping someone like Kobe did.

CF my brother, I admire you as one of the most intelligent & thoughtful posters on all of these RealGM boards, but this portion of your post is utter BS.

While NBA "experts", NBA players, & fans have been saying that Rose needs a #2......Rose has shut his mouth & followed orders. I have defended the FO like no other on the Bulls board, but shots have been fired from a fed up D-Rose. I guarantee you that the fans of Chicago that have followed the kid since high school & earlier, will not turn against him. They know that he's not an arrogant, partying, drug abusing, 6 baby-mama-having criminal. They know that he simply wants to win. He's Kevin Durant without his very own Westbrook.

If you guys think that it's been hard getting a free agent to sign here in the past, sh*t...just watch what will happen if they don't surround Rose with a true #2 or they make the mistake of running Rose away. He's STILL one of the most humble athletes of our time.

He's shut his mouth & stayed patient for years. Today, that sh*t changed & I love it.

I'll just go back over the Miami stuff and ask you to open your mind. Pat Riley didn't build the current Miami Heat. Mickey Arison didn't. By your own admission, Dwyane Wade did. If Rose wants to build another Miami, he needs to start putting in the leg work. He needs to get Love and another guy to demand to come to the Bulls. He needs to do what Wade did.

There were zero all stars traded today. There are 29 other teams chasing the Heat and none of them were able to get a star. This isn't easy. It needs a lot of work and much of it has to be done by Derrick.

Again, I can bash the front office with the best of them. They have made a lot of mistakes and continuously seem to overpay people. I would happily partake in a "mistakes made by Chicago" thread. However, Reggie's comments aren't productive. Actually, by criticizing management publicly they are *counterproductive* to getting stars to come here. They come off as the immature rantings of a child who wants something but doesn't know how to get it. Reggie should be getting destroyed by EVERYONE.

If your goal is really an NBA title and you calmly think about how to get there, I think you will agree that Reggie made a big mistake today. He vented and for all the fans who want something to happen, maybe that feels good. It was totally counter productive though. Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[MVP Rose]

Take offense in the way he used the media, and his timing. But his message is correct. The Bulls haven't done anything to put themselves in a better position to beat Miami. That will be the expectation by the fans of this team after Rose returns, whether that is intended or not. Even if people "understand" Rose will some growing pains coming back, fans are kidding themselves if they think the expectation won't be to beat Miami after the Bulls are LOCKED into paying the luxury tax.

His teammates have expectations, the fans have expectations, Derrick Rose has expectations of himself. With him returning, people will look at the Bulls to present a serious threat to Miami in the East. And with the like of Boozer and Rip and the current squad, that will never happen.

FYI, I don't think there are a number of practical moves the Bulls could have made to satisfy what Reggie is saying. But if we are talking about "getting better" to beat Miami, the Bulls could have AT LEAST found a suitable 4th big, and JO was on the table for Rip and a pick. You're telling me that you are willing to pay for the luxury tax to hopefully contend THIS SEASON but you are so disinclined to include a 20s draft pick in the worst draft in years? Come on now. If you are going to pay the lux tax and try to justify winning it all this season, trade that **** pick and get a 4th big to make you BETTER in the short run. Now everybody else gets run into the ground, probably even mores o now that the team is locked into the lux tax.

As Stacey King says, "KYP" know your personell. Everybody knows Nazr won't see the floor in the playoffs. This team was clearly in need of a 4th big, and the FO failed to get it done. I could careless now that Boozer didn't get traded, he'll get handled soon. The real failure of this deadline was not acquiring a 4th big.

[Rerisen]

I agree with what you said, but i also believe had we landed Lebron or Bosh in 2010, we're paying the tax, we've got 2 or more superstars and we're winning championships.

We got the raw end of the deal, but so did 28 other teams.

Its easy for superstars to make these demands, but they need to realise the supply side of the argument as well.

Rose was a bit naive and innocent coming in I think. People loved this version of him too much, it couldn't last. Most young players go through this, I think Deng did as well, but obviously stakes were lower with him as Rose is a much bigger star and talent. But putting it all on the line for the team, thinking just trying hard will be enough. Then you fail, face miserably painful defeats in the playoffs, then also see good teammates you value, like Gordon, Korver, Asik, be lost because of the business that is the NBA. Players begin to open their eyes what the NBA really is, and its part of maturing, unfortunately, some cynicism and jading goes along with it.

You just hope the maturing levels off at a reasonable measured place, and doesn't go too far overboard into permanent jadedness or even selfishness and lack of caring as much. I don't think we are in danger to that with Rose yet, he is still going to give 110% on the floor. But Bulls need to let Rose in on the bigger plan, if there is one, so everyone can move ahead with one focus. But perhaps Rose and his people have been asking for this plan for a while now, and there simply isn't one. If it's 2016 Mirotic and Charlotte I can see where that would be unsatisfactory, as Rose will very possibly be past his absolute peak years by then. Sounds shocking, but very possible, and considering top 3 NBA talent have led almost all recent champions, Rose needs to play at total MVP peak level to approach that, not sure we can afford waiting till he's 28-32.

[pduh01]

Later tonight I give my take here regarding the situation.......

But I want to post this:

Derrick said they'll have a statement about Reggie's comments. Credit @DavidHaugh for getting in the one question during a walk-by

https://twitter.com/espnchijon

[coldfish]

Problem: Want a second superstar to come to Chicago
Solution: Publicly trash the Bulls management and players

[pduh01]

After pre-game shooting, D-Rose met with Pax and Gar for 5 minutes and emerged with "no comment" about bro's comments. Statement coming.

https://twitter.com/DavidHaugh

[transplant]

Reggie Rose's comments are ridiculous. Derrick Rose's team, without him, is playing .585 basketball. That's damn good.

[pduh01]

In separate conversations with Pax and Gar, both told me Derrick's never expressed similar feelings about roster Reggie did to ESPNChicago.

https://twitter.com/DavidHaugh

[DuckIII]

Me too. Disagreeing with other Bulls fans is a good reason to want the franchise player to bolt.

Actually, I don't want him to leave. I'm rooting for him to stay, retire a Bull, and have his number retired. But you guys can root for the other, free country and all that.

Some of us don't evaluate the personality of a player, and whether or not his conduct is subject to criticism, based on his basketball talent.

+ 1,000,000,000

Thanks. Look, lets just stand up and be counted. If you support what Reggie said, and a lot of people clearly do, then admit you support the team's most important player threatening to not return and help his teammates because he thinks they aren't worthy of his effort.

Everyone who is supporting what Reggie said, can't say they don't agree with what I just wrote.

I wasn't raised to think that's how a teammate behaves. I don't give a flying **** how good he is. That's horse ****. And that's what happened today. FO haters - who have some perfectly valid gripes, I don't deny it - are completely ignoring the teammate aspect of this in their orgasmic delight at seeing a player mess with management and echo their frustration.

But it couldn't miss the point more.

[hammel123]

Let's be honest, Reinsdorf "won" his championships - fighting with the players who increased his wealth tremendously - for every penny. The thrill is gone for Jerry, he is still proud and wants to put together a winning team, but he wants to do it his way. With CHARACTER guys! God forbid, a "chucker" like Anthony should upset team unity and pout to the media. Better stay with Deng and if we're lucky we can sign Redick in the off-season. So clean cut, will keep their mouths shut and play hard. The fans love them. And the extra dough lost by missing out on that next round of playoffs can be easily made up by staying under the cap. Yes, nice and safe

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

It could be just an overprotective brother/manager looking out for his younger brother. He made comments last week about Rose needing to slow down more often in games, as if he was looking out for him.

This is exactly what it is. I'm not going to get into any details, but believe me when I tell you this.

Reggie is Derrick's de facto father & Derrick listens to him 100%. That being said, Reggie is not out for riches & fame. The family is already set for life. Reggie is the reason gangbangers in Englewood stayed away from Rose as a child. When Rose became older & displayed his God-given gift as a basketball player, the hood shielded him from the typical BS (drug dealing, fast women trying to get pregnant by him, etc...). Everyone knew that Reggie was willing to literally give his life, in order for his little brother to make it out of the hood. He pushed him to perfect his game & he pushed him to become MVP. I know it sounds like a sappy movie, but it's the truth.

I'm only saying all of this because some of the descriptions of the man are way off base.

[MAQ]

Reggie Rose's comments are ridiculous. Derrick Rose's team, without him, is playing .585 basketball. That's damn good.

Is this team without Rose guaranteed to win any playoff series? I personally don't think so...Not at the 4th or 5th seed. Maybe if they sneak into the 3rd seed and face the Hawks at the 6, but I don't find it to be a good bet for them to beat Miami, New York, Brooklyn (best bet for a win though) or Indy if they don't get a 3 seed or higher.

[Leto]

The only thing I was disappointed in was not matching Asik. If you want to win in this league, like any sport, you have to spend. Because you're a cheapskate, you lose assets like Asik that cannot be replaced. Not because Asik was so good, but because he was an asset that could be used in trades etc. If you want to win, you can't just let those assets walk.

[CalilLove89]

Derrick will say this has nothing to do with him.

And i will not believe it at all.

He can attempt to make it right with his teammates, but ultimately they got the point across.

[Rerisen]

Thanks. Look, lets just stand up and be counted. If you support what Reggie said, and a lot of people clearly do, then admit you support the team's most important player threatening to not return and help his teammates because he thinks they aren't worthy of his effort.

Issue is simple as far as I can see. Rose needs to play when healthy. Bulls need to spend, and think, like the big market team they are when you have a superstar of Rose's quality.

Reggie said something worthy for its pressure inducing effects, but his end game recourse of what to do about it is totally off.

[kingkirk]

Rose was a bit naive and innocent coming in I think. People loved this version of him too much, it couldn't last. Most young players go through this, I think Deng did as well, but obviously stakes were lower with him as Rose is a much bigger star and talent. But putting it all on the line for the team, thinking just trying hard will be enough. Then you fail, face miserably painful defeats in the playoffs, then also see good teammates you value, like Gordon, Korver, Asik, be lost because of the business that is the NBA. Players begin to open their eyes what the NBA really is, and its part of maturing, unfortunately, some cynicism and jading goes along with it.

You just hope the maturing levels off at a reasonable measured place, and doesn't go too far overboard into permanent jadedness or even selfishness and lack of caring as much. I don't think we are in danger to that with Rose yet, he is still going to give 110% on the floor. But Bulls need to let Rose in on the bigger plan, if there is one, so everyone can move ahead with one focus. But perhaps Rose and his people have been asking for this plan for a while now, and there simply isn't one. If it's 2016 Mirotic and Charlotte I can see where that would be unsatisfactory, as Rose will very possibly be past his absolute peak years by then. Sounds shocking, but very possible, and considering top 3 NBA talent have led almost all recent champions, Rose needs to play at total MVP peak level to approach that, not sure we can afford waiting till he's 28-32.

Again, i can't disagree with any of this Re, but if Reggie is speaking on behalf of the Rose camp, and not just shooting of his fanboy emotions, then i think the problem may be here already.

Im not going to shoot Rose down the barrel, demand a trade or any of that nonsense, i will give him the benefit of the doubt, but im not sure if calling out the FO is the way to get things done.

I mean, aside from maybe Kobe and a select few, most disgruntled stars get traded, get their money, go play with another all star, but evidently end up in the same situation elsewhere.

Real teams get built from the ground up, and work together, unless you are the Heat, and you sign the best player in basketball, resign arguably the 2nd best player in the league at the time in Wade, and a top 5 PF in Bosh.