Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[EastBayFJ]

Amestying Boozer is still akin to paying a luxury tax , in that , a financial penalty of sorts ensues

Reinsdorf is not going to cop up to a $10m hit for Boozer to play for someone else

He will play out his contract next year and be kept as a 2015 trade chip

Dunleavy and probably Kirk will be bought in to back up Butler, Snell and hopefully Dion Waiters as the ball handling combo to support Rose

[EastBayFJ]

Personally I think the trade to do is Boozer, Dunleavy and Hinrich for Gasol and Farmar

Resign Pau to a 2 year $15m deal and bring in Trevor Ariza in Dunleavy's salary spot to back Butler and Snell

This is after the Deng deal giving us Waiters

[kulaz3000]

Personally I think the trade to do is Boozer, Dunleavy and Hinrich for Gasol and Farmar

Resign Pau to a 2 year $15m deal and bring in Trevor Ariza in Dunleavy's salary spot to back Butler and Snell

This is after the Deng deal giving us Waiters

Have you watched any Laker games recently? Pau looks like a corpse out there.

[Bomba Navarro]

Personally I think the trade to do is Boozer, Dunleavy and Hinrich for Gasol and Farmar

Resign Pau to a 2 year $15m deal and bring in Trevor Ariza in Dunleavy's salary spot to back Butler and Snell

This is after the Deng deal giving us Waiters

Have you watched any Laker games recently? Pau looks like a corpse out there.

He's been looking like a walking corpse for two seasons now.

Pass.

[joshcxa]

What would it take to get Melo these days? Can you see him staying at Knicks or do you think he is LA bound?

[EastBayFJ]

Personally I think the trade to do is Boozer, Dunleavy and Hinrich for Gasol and Farmar

Resign Pau to a 2 year $15m deal and bring in Trevor Ariza in Dunleavy's salary spot to back Butler and Snell

This is after the Deng deal giving us Waiters

Have you watched any Laker games recently? Pau looks like a corpse out there.

Only because he's been completely butt pumped with the whole Dwight fiasco and the dysfunctionality of the Lakers generally.

We clean Boozer and Dunleavy a year earlier , stay in the fee agemcy game of 2016 and get a guy who would be perfect for Mirotic's transition as well as being a quality big in the bench unit with Gibson - but can step up into the starting unit if required

[EastBayFJ]

Keep Hinrich and they keep Farmar and see if Pau waives his trade kicker

Noah
Mirotic
Butler
Snell
Rose

Gasol
Gibson
Ariza
Waiters
Hinrich


2014 draft pick ( lottery )
2015 draft pick
bobcats pick


Suits me just fine

[blumeany]

Oy. If you have to make the argument that the guy only plays poorly because he's often injured, then you've just lost the argument.

[JeromeGraham]

Personally I think the trade to do is Boozer, Dunleavy and Hinrich for Gasol and Farmar

Resign Pau to a 2 year $15m deal and bring in Trevor Ariza in Dunleavy's salary spot to back Butler and Snell

This is after the Deng deal giving us Waiters

Why will the Lakers would want the 20 millions from Boozer and Dunleavy for the next year?


Is going to be very hard to find anything valuable for Boozer. Probably nothing. Next year will be different.

[weneeda2guard]

My thinking

I personally think if we land a good pick this season along with the bobcat pick, those 2 picks packaged with boozer could land us either lamarcus Aldridge or Kevin love

I also think teams like the pelicans and Toronto or maybe even Brooklyn will get desperate enough cause they want to make the playoffs and make a desperate trade for a guy like boozer

Toronto has some guys I think would do good here

And I think boozer could pry either tyreke or Eric Gordon from the pelicans

[dumbell78]

For Dengs sake I hope he gets dealt soon, Thibs is gonna straight kill him. Guy deserves 12-14 million a year and a breather.

[Wingy]

For Dengs sake I hope he gets dealt soon, Thibs is gonna straight kill him. Guy deserves 12-14 million a year and a breather.

Yeah, I just don't get the handling of Deng.

- We're driving up his asking price
- He's busting his ass...again...for us. I think there's a certain amount of loyalty/reward that any employee would want from their employer when they've worked as hard and sacrificed as Deng has for the Bulls. This is the kind of "debt" that no other team but us will be asked to pay up for
- So say we resign him to said high asking price, we're adding a ton more miles to a guy who already has a ton of miles and heading shortly for the wrong side of 30
- Continuing to run him insane minutes leads to more wins in a season where we could easily be choosing to take it easy one year to enhance our talent and reload for the following season. We should be capitalizing on Rose's absence, but so far we're still playing it like we're title contenders.

[kingkirk]

For Dengs sake I hope he gets dealt soon, Thibs is gonna straight kill him. Guy deserves 12-14 million a year and a breather.

Yeah, I just don't get the handling of Deng.

- We're driving up his asking price
- He's busting his ass...again...for us. I think there's a certain amount of loyalty/reward that any employee would want from their employer when they've worked as hard and sacrificed as Deng has for the Bulls. This is the kind of "debt" that no other team but us will be asked to pay up for
- So say we resign him to said high asking price, we're adding a ton more miles to a guy who already has a ton of miles and heading shortly for the wrong side of 30
- Continuing to run him insane minutes leads to more wins in a season where we could easily be choosing to take it easy one year to enhance our talent and reload for the following season. We should be capitalizing on Rose's absence, but so far we're still playing it like we're title contenders.

On this, i was thinking about this during the game.

If im Lu, after all i've given this franchise, especially in the last 2 seasons where he has been forced into being more than he is, and after giving his all like tonight with the 56 minutes, if the Bulls say to him, "No, we don't think you're worth 12 million", i would be pissed off.

Shake hands, thanks for the memories. As a player, i'm sure he would feel disrespected to a degree by that.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

For Dengs sake I hope he gets dealt soon, Thibs is gonna straight kill him. Guy deserves 12-14 million a year and a breather.

Yeah, I just don't get the handling of Deng.

- We're driving up his asking price
- He's busting his ass...again...for us. I think there's a certain amount of loyalty/reward that any employee would want from their employer when they've worked as hard and sacrificed as Deng has for the Bulls. This is the kind of "debt" that no other team but us will be asked to pay up for
- So say we resign him to said high asking price, we're adding a ton more miles to a guy who already has a ton of miles and heading shortly for the wrong side of 30
- Continuing to run him insane minutes leads to more wins in a season where we could easily be choosing to take it easy one year to enhance our talent and reload for the following season. We should be capitalizing on Rose's absence, but so far we're still playing it like we're title contenders.

On this, i was thinking about this during the game.

If im Lu, after all i've given this franchise, especially in the last 2 seasons where he has been forced into being more than he is, and after giving his all like tonight with the 56 minutes, if the Bulls say to him, "No, we don't think you're worth 12 million", i would be pissed off.

Shake hands, thanks for the memories. As a player, i'm sure he would feel disrespected to a degree by that.

So what do we do? I dont think he's worth more than 12+ a year, and I'm sure he'd get that plus more elsewhere. The likelihood of trading him seems to grow less and less likely imo...he's playing great, Thibs would lose his mind, and he's pretty much our only scoring option.

[kingkirk]

So what do we do? I dont think he's worth more than 12+ a year, and I'm sure he'd get that plus more elsewhere. The likelihood of trading him seems to grow less and less likely imo...he's playing great, Thibs would lose his mind, and he's pretty much our only scoring option.

I don't know. Anyone who thinks they know has no idea imo. You can't.

It all depends on how you rate Deng & Noah as well as ones prospects around Rose returning. It also depends on if you think this team has a chance at Exum, Wiggins, Parker or Randle. I personally don't.

I'm starting to think, to some degree, we can have our cake and eat it too. It will depend a heap on how other teams fair, but so does tanking.

Perhaps we can be poor enough to miss the playoffs and getting a 13th overall pick whilst retaining Lu on 4 yrs 44-48 million?

Maybe the Cat's are good enough to give us the 11-12th pick?

Perhaps we can package up both of these to Sacramento?

I don't know. My answers is too much determinant on what Deng wants to do, and more importantly, what the FO want to do.

If Deng is prepared to accept that coin, i'm inclined to keep him around. If he wants 14 million, i start to lose interest.

However, i think we need to consider Rose here and our future with him. Trading away Deng and amnestying Boozer is essentially signalling to Derrick that we're not interested in bringing in established talent and winning now. He would need to wait until he is 28-30. Given his injury issues, how keen on that is he?

Its easy for us to sit here and rebuild and tank, but try telling that to your franchise player. Their is interpersonal aspects that we need to consider as well.

I really don't know where i sit. I chop and chain frequently and its based on so many variables to the point where i just don't know, and anyone telling me that tanking is the best and only option, well, i can't agree with that.

Maybe i'm on a different wave length, but say we were to retain Deng at fair market value whilst our team missing the playoffs and getting a mid lotto pick whilst also getting one from the Cats and bringing Nikola over.

PG: Rose, FA
SG: Butler, Our Pick
SF: Deng, Snell
PF: Taj, Mirotic
C: Noah, Cat's Pick, Murphy

To me, we would be essentially be adding 3 lottery picks to a core of Rose, Noah, Taj, Deng, Butler & Snell.

If those 2 picks as well as Nikola become quality players, you have a legitimate 9 deep core that is young, fluid, dynamic, versatile and athletic.

Derrick Rose - $18,862,876
Joakim Noah - $12,200,000
Luol Deng - $12,000,000
Taj Gibson - $8,000,000
Nikola Mirotic - $5,305,000
Jimmy Butler - $2,008,748
Pick 11 - $1,772,100
Pick 13 - $1,599,300
Tony Snell - $1,472,400
Eric Murphy - $816,482

Those 9 guys would put the team at $64 million, only a million over the cap and 11 million below the tax line.

To me, that would also be appealing to a potential FA like Kevin Love and we would actually have some assets to exchange for a player via a trade if it came to that.

I think dismantling it all and giving away the likes of Deng & Taj and trying to add a pick to a core of Rose, Butler, Jo & Snell is extremely risky.

What ever we decide, i don't think right now we can determine what is right or wrong. It will be a classic hindsight moment. Declaring the tank is the best and only option is incorrect imo. Perhaps, in time, it will prove to be, but i can't accept with any assurances that it is the best option right now 16 games into the season.

[jax98]

Over his last five games (which are the five without Rose), here's what Deng is netting:

27.4 points, 8.4 FTA, and .548 FG%

Trade value climbing, hopefully.

[kulaz3000]

Over his last five games (which are the five without Rose), here's what Deng is netting:

27.4 points, 8.4 FTA, and .548 FG%

Trade value climbing, hopefully.

Once he gets voted in by the coaches for his 3rd straight All-star appearance this season, I wonder if he'll get the respect that he deserves from basketball fans.

That said, with how well he is playing, it would be shocking if we couldn't get a 1st round pick in addition to capable player who can contribute right away. Sure, the team trading for him would be taking a risk of him leaving after the season, but there aren't many situations where teams can add an All-star small forward playing some of the best basketball of his career still relatively early in the season either.

If Bulls management is going to trade Deng, the sooner the better, the longer they want to make a trade, the lesser we'll likely get in return. That's of course if management intends to trade him at all, who knows, they could be thinking of resigning him all along, which would have made all of this fussing over Deng trade ideas, well, just awkward..

[EastBayFJ]

Personally I think the trade to do is Boozer, Dunleavy and Hinrich for Gasol and Farmar

Resign Pau to a 2 year $15m deal and bring in Trevor Ariza in Dunleavy's salary spot to back Butler and Snell

This is after the Deng deal giving us Waiters

Why will the Lakers would want the 20 millions from Boozer and Dunleavy for the next year?

.

Because the real game for the Lakers is 2016 when Durant and Love are due and Kobe expires and until then they need complementary players in Kobe"s swansong

[Ice Man]

Over his last five games (which are the five without Rose), here's what Deng is netting:

27.4 points, 8.4 FTA, and .548 FG%

Trade value climbing, hopefully.

I will take the contrarian position here.

1) This is the true Lu Deng. It's not that he's trying harder this year, because he always tries. It's just that he's finally free of injuries and fully healthy.

2) People have it backwards. He's not an old 28. He is a highly disciplined, fit player who does not party. He is a young 28.

I don't think Lu was a true All Star the past 2 years, those were kinda charity picks for services rendered in the past, and finding a slot for a Bull. This year he has been the real deal.

I think you resign this guy if you want to win.

Noah
Taj/Mirotic
Deng
Butler/Snell
Rose

Plus 2 mid first-round draft picks, plus money freed up from amnestying Boozer, trading MDJ (I assume), and Kirk leaving the roster, money used to sign one free agent. That makes 3 incoming to fill the holes of a 4th big man, a good backup PG, and a 4th wing.

Sure, that all depends on Rose being near top form, but so does every other scenario.

[Ice the knees]

For Dengs sake I hope he gets dealt soon, Thibs is gonna straight kill him. Guy deserves 12-14 million a year and a breather.

Yeah, I just don't get the handling of Deng.

- We're driving up his asking price
- He's busting his ass...again...for us. I think there's a certain amount of loyalty/reward that any employee would want from their employer when they've worked as hard and sacrificed as Deng has for the Bulls. This is the kind of "debt" that no other team but us will be asked to pay up for
- So say we resign him to said high asking price, we're adding a ton more miles to a guy who already has a ton of miles and heading shortly for the wrong side of 30
- Continuing to run him insane minutes leads to more wins in a season where we could easily be choosing to take it easy one year to enhance our talent and reload for the following season. We should be capitalizing on Rose's absence, but so far we're still playing it like we're title contenders.

On this, i was thinking about this during the game.

If im Lu, after all i've given this franchise, especially in the last 2 seasons where he has been forced into being more than he is, and after giving his all like tonight with the 56 minutes, if the Bulls say to him, "No, we don't think you're worth 12 million", i would be pissed off.

Shake hands, thanks for the memories. As a player, i'm sure he would feel disrespected to a degree by that.

I agree with you. But at the same time playing heavy minutes is a great deal of Deng's value. If Deng was a 32 minute a game player, he wouldn't be too valuable. He needs those minutes to produce.