Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[DRoseCantStop]

Mirotic is soft and cannot rebound or defend

the numbers suggest otherwise

Still soft af and can't defend

[stl705]

IMO, Hoiberg has a lot of work to do. His motto is pace, well the only players I've seen play with any type of pace is Joakim this year (+ Bobby last night).

Defense doesn't seem bad statistically, but it doesn't pass the eye test to me. Offensively, I'm still struggling to see any identity other than when Noah is out there with his pick-and-toss play. Gasol gets further away from the rim each game. Snell is the least aggressive starter in the entire league even for his role. McD is a ghost on defense. Noone is really playing that well right now.

Still a lot of time though so we'll see what happens.

[Wont PerDont]

At what point do we stop blaming the coaches, or even the front office, and start actually looking at the players as the root cause here?

*Raises Hand*

Many of us were blaming the players last year, while the other half would have none of it, convinced Thibs was a screw up, just not progressing the rooks, controlling Rose, and all the parts were in place for legit contention.

But end of the day, the FO put together this collection of players.

All those players everyone is finally realizing aren't that great, that quit on the last coach, are the same ones the FO brought back 1 through 12. They obviously didn't understand it was the players.

Why is it, when something turns out good, its the FO credit for drafting them, signing them, etc, but when things start to go down the pooper, the FO names are nowhere to be found and just the players and coaches are malcontents out of nowhere.

This organization didn't get along with Ben Wallace, didn't get along with Rose post injuries, and now isn't getting along with Butler. I thought Wallace was just a bum, but seems a worrying trend when you can't get on the same page with your best players

...and Skiles, and Del Negro, and Thibs, etc., etc., etc.

[GetBuLLish]

At what point do we stop blaming the coaches, or even the front office, and start actually looking at the players as the root cause here?

Can you explain to me under what circumstance should blame be pinned on a front office (or more specifically, this front office). It seems like you've created this obscure matrix in which any critique of the team's performance should be directed away from the front office every single time. Like literally, every single time.

It’s a cop out to be blaming the front office on this one.

Again, same question.

[drbg43]

This title is completely off.

And I agree that this could easily be targeted at Rose. Butler wants Hoiberg to grow a pair and tell Rose to step up the intensity. I'm guessing Hoiberg is too soft to do that to the "franchise player".

[BoozerRoNo]

At what point do we stop blaming the coaches, or even the front office, and start actually looking at the players as the root cause here?

Can you explain to me under what circumstance should blame be pinned on a front office (or more specifically, this front office). It seems like you've created this obscure matrix in which any critique of the team's performance should be directed away from the front office every single time. Like literally, every single time.

It’s a cop out to be blaming the front office on this one.

Again, same question.

Because the blame shouldn't be on the front office its the players not playing hard enough. Because if Rose played every night like its a national televised game and Niko played like he did at the end of last season this team wouldnt have no more than 4 losses.

When you have Derrick Rose often injured what point is there to make a trade for a team not winning the championship with Rose making 20 million out for season or when he makes management have to guess if he will return this season or not while this holds them from making moves.

But I will say management needs to make a move this deadline of Rose, Snell, Mirotic don't get it together by January 14th.

[Stratmaster]

At what point do we stop blaming the coaches, or even the front office, and start actually looking at the players as the root cause here?

Can you explain to me under what circumstance should blame be pinned on a front office (or more specifically, this front office). It seems like you've created this obscure matrix in which any critique of the team's performance should be directed away from the front office every single time. Like literally, every single time.

It’s a cop out to be blaming the front office on this one.

Again, same question.

When they fail to provide a winning team consistently, and a contending team periodically.

[johnnyvann840]

All this talk about blame.... We should probably wait until there is officially something to blame.... right now we are what record is. Loss in NY night after a 4 OT loss the night before be damned.

[NecessaryEvil]

This title is completely off.

And I agree that this could easily be targeted at Rose. Butler wants Hoiberg to grow a pair and tell Rose to step up the intensity. I'm guessing Hoiberg is too soft to do that to the "franchise player".

So, the title is off but yet you insist that this is about Derrick Rose?

Seems like everyone is assuming.

[stillalive]

Furthermore, according to sources, Butler used profanity while addressing the coaching staff once and disrupted a film session on another occasion with critical comments. While those defending Butler say such instances stem from his frustration that few players match his work ethic, his habit of warming up on his own has alienated others to the point that Joakim Noah recently talked to Butler, a source said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bulls-jimmy-butler-fred-hoiberg-spt-1221-20151220-column.html

Jimmy man

[Jcool0]

Butler thrived in a featured role in Tom Thibodeau's isolation-heavy offense. Butler is at least one player who still talks to the former coach, according to several sources.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bulls-jimmy-butler-fred-hoiberg-spt-1221-20151220-column.html

Not good.

[bennjuiced34]

From KCs article:

Furthermore, according to sources, Butler used profanity while addressing the coaching staff once and disrupted a film session on another occasion with critical comments. While those defending Butler say such instances stem from his frustration that few players match his work ethic, his habit of warming up on his own has alienated others to the point that Joakim Noah recently talked to Butler, a source said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bulls-jimmy-butler-fred-hoiberg-spt-1221-20151220-column.html

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[bennjuiced34]

That's not leadership, Jimmy. Come on man. Frustrated or not, you cannot handle things like that.

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[kingkirk]

Can you explain to me under what circumstance should blame be pinned on a front office (or more specifically, this front office). It seems like you've created this obscure matrix in which any critique of the team's performance should be directed away from the front office every single time. Like literally, every single time.

It’s a cop out to be blaming the front office on this one.

Again, same question.

Go and read K.C. Johnson’s latest piece about Butler and his behavior and let me know why Gar Forman is to blame for anything of this.

Butler is acting like an entitled punk.

[Red Larrivee]

Furthermore, according to sources, Butler used profanity while addressing the coaching staff once and disrupted a film session on another occasion with critical comments. While those defending Butler say such instances stem from his frustration that few players match his work ethic, his habit of warming up on his own has alienated others to the point that Joakim Noah recently talked to Butler, a source said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bulls-jimmy-butler-fred-hoiberg-spt-1221-20151220-column.html

Jimmy man

That is what we call a cancer incident. So our self-apointed team leader has alienated his teammates on at least one documented occasion.

K.C.'s article is matching my theory earlier about Butler's new found personality potentially being the catalyst of a rumored locker room division.

Also, for those still theorizing a Butler/Rose war:

Butler didn't specify which players weren't following the game plan. One person close to Butler said the comments weren't directed at Rose.

[TheAdmiral]

Also, for those still theorizing a Butler/Rose war:

Butler didn't specify which players weren't following the game plan. One person close to Butler said the comments weren't directed at Rose.

I didn't think his comments were directed at Rose anyway. Regardless, this kind of behavior by Jimmy is disappointing and does nothing but further divide the team. As if things weren't already messed up.

[stillalive]

Furthermore, according to sources, Butler used profanity while addressing the coaching staff once and disrupted a film session on another occasion with critical comments. While those defending Butler say such instances stem from his frustration that few players match his work ethic, his habit of warming up on his own has alienated others to the point that Joakim Noah recently talked to Butler, a source said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bulls-jimmy-butler-fred-hoiberg-spt-1221-20151220-column.html

Jimmy man

That is what we call a cancer incident. So our self-apointed team leader has alienated his teammates on at least one documented occasion.

K.C.'s article is matching my theory earlier about Butler's new found personality potentially being the catalyst of a rumored locker room division.

Also, for those still theorizing a Butler/Rose war:

Butler didn't specify which players weren't following the game plan. One person close to Butler said the comments weren't directed at Rose.

Yup. As an aside I have a cousin who met Jimmy when Jimmy was doing a taping for First Take. He got a pic with him but said Jimmy was being rude, and was talking to his friends on the side the entire time he was taking the pic. What's messed up is my cousin is a HUGE Bulls fan so you can imagine the disappointment when he met Jimmy. He said it sucked, and that Jimmy's changed.

I really hope Jimmy straightens all this out. He has no place to call out coaches or teammates in the media. You call a team meeting and handle it there.

[fleet]

Furthermore, according to sources, Butler used profanity while addressing the coaching staff once and disrupted a film session on another occasion with critical comments. While those defending Butler say such instances stem from his frustration that few players match his work ethic, his habit of warming up on his own has alienated others to the point that Joakim Noah recently talked to Butler, a source said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bulls-jimmy-butler-fred-hoiberg-spt-1221-20151220-column.html

Jimmy man

So, looks as if the FO has come out guns blazin'. Giving Jimmy the Thibs treatment.

[GetBuLLish]

So, looks as if the FO has come out guns blazin'. Giving Jimmy the Thibs treatment.

That was lightning quick.

Anyways, looks like the favorite theory of pinning everything on Rose isn't applicable here.

[YettiBull]

Butler wants to win and be great almost too much I think. Rather the stuff you read is true, you can see it on the court with the way he communicates with others. The roster needs a change over, it just does, things and players are stale. I think Butler is a building piece, but this needs to be nipped in the butt now (as it might be true, but wrong place).