Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[TheSuzerain]

Why are you so focused on the west?... On teams in a window we aren't even prepared to sniff.

I'm responding to a direct comment about Capela not being able to stay on the floor in the playoffs.

...but then drawing Wendell Carter in it?

Let's worry about contending in the central division first, then the Eastern Conference.. THEN the west.

My basic point is, Mr. Wendell is gonna be fine and he's not gonna have to worry about GS & Houston switches for a while..If ever.

He's gonna have to worry more about containing Embiid, Bamba, and Ayton.. Because once Centers come back in vogue, we have an answer.

Take it up with the guy who called Wendell Carter "Clint Capela with a jump shot". He made the comparison, not I.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I'm responding to a direct comment about Capela not being able to stay on the floor in the playoffs.

...but then drawing Wendell Carter in it?

Let's worry about contending in the central division first, then the Eastern Conference.. THEN the west.

My basic point is, Mr. Wendell is gonna be fine and he's not gonna have to worry about GS & Houston switches for a while..If ever.

He's gonna have to worry more about containing Embiid, Bamba, and Ayton.. Because once Centers come back in vogue, we have an answer.

Take it up with the guy who called Wendell Carter "Clint Capela with a jump shot". He made the comparison, not I.

lol..Oh.. I missed that part.

[tedwilliams1999]

And if Capela couldn't stay on the floor in the playoffs, then god help Wendell Carter.

This is a misconception in my opinion. Capela was one of the main reasons the Rockets got to the WCF; he played plenty of minutes in the earlier rounds and was super effective. Big men are still insanely valuable in today's NBA - we just need a different type of big man. I think Lauri and WCJ both fit the bill, in that they space the floor without sacrificing much in defense.

The Warriors are a complete outlier: we're not competing with them directly, nor are we going to see another team like them ever again. The Rockets and Cavs playing small ball is a product of the Warriors, not the other way around. As all of the young bigs we have evolve as players, you can bet that an aging warriors and rockets team isn't going to want to go small any more.

[Chi town]

Is it also possible Capella got pulled in 4th quarters of playoff games because he shoots 56% from the line?


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Yes and he doesn't space the floor.

I really don't think you need your center to shoot 3's. I'd frankly prefer they be like Capela (or Bagley) and threaten the space inside the arc offensively. If you've got the playmakers such a player can be deadly.

Disagree. Variety and threat is what makes teams unpredictable and better. Capella making 3s and spacing the floor a couple times a half would be huge.

[TheSuzerain]

And if Capela couldn't stay on the floor in the playoffs, then god help Wendell Carter.

This is a misconception in my opinion. Capela was one of the main reasons the Rockets got to the WCF; he played plenty of minutes in the earlier rounds and was super effective. Big men are still insanely valuable in today's NBA - we just need a different type of big man. I think Lauri and WCJ both fit the bill, in that they space the floor without sacrificing much in defense.

The Warriors are a complete outlier: we're not competing with them directly, nor are we going to see another team like them ever again. The Rockets and Cavs playing small ball is a product of the Warriors, not the other way around. As all of the young bigs we have evolve as players, you can bet that an aging warriors and rockets team isn't going to want to go small any more.

I think Capela is awesome. I like guys like him on offense even more than stretch 5's.

My only point is that the Wendell Carter to Clint Capela comp was off the wall.

[TheSuzerain]

Yes and he doesn't space the floor.

I really don't think you need your center to shoot 3's. I'd frankly prefer they be like Capela (or Bagley) and threaten the space inside the arc offensively. If you've got the playmakers such a player can be deadly.

Disagree. Variety and threat is what makes teams unpredictable and better. Capella making 3s and spacing the floor a couple times a half would be huge.

Capela led the playoffs in O-Rating.

You don't need 5 three point threats on the floor.

[waffle]

the trick in the NBA is to have a young core, mostly acquired through the draft, peak together as a team, to have a competitive window. This strategy is important for competitive AND FINANCIAL reasons. You only have so much money to play with and good players get PAID.

If you are a good, young team, then you will be able to attract a good FA or 2 who wants to play with that core and possibly win a title or 2. This is only possible with a good cap situation, which, as I stated, is helped by the above. You can't sign a FA you can't afford. Signing a FA too early or too late can really screw things up. It's a timing thing

We are in the process of accomplishing the first task, having a good young core with room to grow together as a team. We also in a very good situation from a money perspective. So we are well positioned to have the chance to be competitive

So now we have a young core to develop. Now we are in a really good cap situation going forward. We still have our picks for the near future. Looking good.

Now comes the player development, the becoming competitive, becoming an attractive destination, and landing a top tier FA over the next 2 or 3 years.

In fact, to me, one of the biggest questions is coaching. I am not convinced that Fred is any good. I am not sure he is bad either. I am just not sure.

Yes! Yes! and No. But 2 out of 3 aint half bad

The more number of core players who "outperform" their contract...the better the quality of the team.

Right now, we have 3 players like that:

Dunn
Lauri
Portis

If Wendell makes the number of over-performing players higher in his first Season, then we are looking set for Free Agency.

The trick is to LIMIT Zach's contract so that it remains at par with his performance. I suspect however, that we will end up giving him a contract that makes him an "under-performer".

The bulls are going to let Zach shop for a contract, right? my guess is he WILL NOT get a big offer. So what do the bulls do then? What is best for Zach? It's a shorter term "show me" contract, something like 2 years/30 million or somesuch. If he outperforms THAT contract then he might be that high priced FA we sign in a couple of years.

I like Zach and wish him the best but he's not max FA and I am not all that confident that he will actually become a even a 2nd tier NBA talent.

[MGB8]

Bulls picked 7 as the Mavs picked 5. Young was going 6 so the Hawks weren’t going to get their guy so obviously they’d want more to compensate that

Bad knees is talking about the Grizs (Bulls trading up from 7 to 4 - Atlanta had the #3).

Even then Memphis was in a different situation as they wanted to shed salary to move back.

And we should have accommodated them. This is the "cheap front office" issue, just like Jordan Bell was last season.

To me, the difference between JJJ and Carter is enormous. Carter is a good talent, but has a slow release (and his high 3 point percentage wasn't on high volume). JJJ is a rawer talent but had incredible advanced metrics and all around skillset - it jut needs to continue to be coached up.

[Truebiscuit]

Unathletic, right? Can't "get up", right?

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[Benedict Miller]

Every Duke fan I've heard talk about him says the same. Not good in space.

After a season of attempted tanking, the Bulls got a big whose defensive game fits several decades ago but not now. Fantastic.

WCJ has a nice all around game, pretty decent athlete, but he's nowhere near as quick as Horford on both sides of the ball. Still hopeful he improves, especially defensively.

Yeah of course we all want him to do well, but he scares me. His upside is being a solid player and his downside is being a liability defensively. Just an awful payoff for a year of attempted tanking IMO.

The good thing is that he's a very good rebounder, has skill in the pick and pop, has potential to be great on the low block, he has legit skill there and is a good passer. With big men starting to come back, it's good that we at least got one with his skill set that compliments the Markksman.

[Chi town]

I really don't think you need your center to shoot 3's. I'd frankly prefer they be like Capela (or Bagley) and threaten the space inside the arc offensively. If you've got the playmakers such a player can be deadly.

Disagree. Variety and threat is what makes teams unpredictable and better. Capella making 3s and spacing the floor a couple times a half would be huge.

Capela led the playoffs in O-Rating.

You don't need 5 three point threats on the floor.

That O Rating couldn't keep him on the floor though. We both know that's misleading. he can't shoot. AT ALL.

[Darius Miles Davis]

The Brow, Cousins, Embiid, Towns, Jokic, Gobert, Drummond, Ayton, Capela, Adams, Turner, Bamba — there are a lot of good young centers in the NBA. Small-ball may not be the name of the game in the NBA for too much longer.


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[waffle]

and he's unselfish and reallllllly smart. And 19. And big. And not as slow as he is being made out to be

[MGB8]

I'm merely going off what KC and Goodwill have both said.

KC:


Vincent:


But sure continue to pretend Chicago didn't make a deal because they were too cheap or inept.

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I take KC's article to mean that the Grizzlies would have moved down either for Parsons or for future picks / 22... and Atlanta wanted the 22 and a future first.

It would've been 7 in both trades. Why would Memphis or Atlanta trade 3 or 5 for 22+? They didn't want out of the lottery. Atlanta wanted Young and Woj said Memphis had been working on selling Jackson on playing in Memphis all day.

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Of course. "Moved down" implies from spot x to 7. For Atlanta it would have been 3 for 7+22 plus future pick. For Memphis, it would have been 4 for 7 + taking Parsons' contract (and Parsons) OR a package similar to what Atlanta wanted. And we should have just taken on Parsons' contract and walked away with JJJ.

Heck, if the option is on the table, could still do it now. DO IT PAX!!!

[Chi town]

MIles Turner is a good comp. I think Carter is more mobile then him though.

[realEAST]

Unathletic, right? Can't "get up", right?

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I think what most are more worried about is his lateral mobility, which is more important when defending P'n'R

[TheSuzerain]

Disagree. Variety and threat is what makes teams unpredictable and better. Capella making 3s and spacing the floor a couple times a half would be huge.

Capela led the playoffs in O-Rating.

You don't need 5 three point threats on the floor.

That O Rating couldn't keep him on the floor though. We both know that's misleading. he can't shoot. AT ALL.

He played 30 minutes per game, which is more than he played in the regular season.

What you're saying is true of all centers though. Which begs the question of if the position should be valued so highly on draft night.

[Truebiscuit]

Unathletic, right? Can't "get up", right?

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I think what most are more worried about is his lateral mobility, which is more important when defending P'n'R

Lose the baby fat (which I think he has) and emphasize working on your quick twitch muscles.

Nobody expects 5's to elitely defend 1's and 2's... if he's gotten quicker (which he says he has) then I'm hoping he can stay in front of them with his feet and length.

[NDave79]

Who didn't play in the 4th quarters of the playoffs. Capella is also in year 4. He wasn't much as a rookie. Carter is way ahead of him right now.


I think if Bagley had stayed in HS and not reclassified that Carter would have BOOMED at Duke and he would have gone 1 or 2.

Is it also possible Capella got pulled in 4th quarters of playoff games because he shoots 56% from the line?


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Yes and he doesn't space the floor.

He also doesn't really have the post up game to take advantage of smaller defenders.

[Ralphb07]

Unathletic, right? Can't "get up", right?

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I think what most are more worried about is his lateral mobility, which is more important when defending P'n'R

Lose the baby fat (which I think he has) and emphasize working on your quick twitch muscles.

Nobody expects 5's to elitely defend 1's and 2's... if he's gotten quicker (which he says he has) then I'm hoping he can stay in front of them with his feet and length.

He’s not stuck in mud and I think proper coaching can help too. To me I’m with you and think it’s overblown.