Around The NBA: 2019-20 RESTART

[The Explorer]

Crazy how the mid-range has virtually disappeared from today's game.

[johnnyvann840]

Crazy how the mid-range has virtually disappeared from today's game.

It's a shame really. It has ruined the game and taken different strategy and half the floor out of what was a great game.

Best (really only) solution is moving the 3 PT line back. The shot is worth too much for what it is. It is too routine and easy to be worth 150% of another (conventional 2 pt) basket. Because of that, now all teams play the same. It's become mundane and boring. No surprise to me that ratings are down big. Interest is down big. But, hey, the NBA are the social media kings. They can tell you how great and how cool they are.

[Chi town]

Crazy how the mid-range has virtually disappeared from today's game.

It's a shame really. It has ruined the game and taken different strategy and half the floor out of what was a great game.

Best (really only) solution is moving the 3 PT line back. The shot is worth too much for what it is. It is too routine and easy to be worth 150% of another (conventional 2 pt) basket. Because of that, now all teams play the same. It's become mundane and boring. No surprise to me that ratings are down big. Interest is down big. But, hey, the NBA are the social media kings. They can tell you how great and how cool they are.

Agree move it back a foot and watch how much it changes percentages and the mid range comes back

[Ice Man]

i think there are too many guys he needs to leapfrog:

guards:

kemba
beal
simmons
kyrie
lowry
trae

brogdon
brown
dinwiddie
lavine

At least Zach is a guard, that helps his chances. For some reason, the NBA allots 6 slots to the two guard positions, and 6 slots to the other positions. Plus they list Butler in the frontcourt, although he's the Heat's starting #2 this year (with Duncan Robinson at small forward).

Also, you're missing Middleton, who surely will be selected. He made the team last year, he's playing even better this year, and his team has the best record in the NBA. I don't see how the selection group would not take a second Milwaukee player from a team that is having one of the strongest NBA seasons ever.

[TheSuzerain]

Crazy how the mid-range has virtually disappeared from today's game.

It's a shame really. It has ruined the game and taken different strategy and half the floor out of what was a great game.

Best (really only) solution is moving the 3 PT line back. The shot is worth too much for what it is. It is too routine and easy to be worth 150% of another (conventional 2 pt) basket. Because of that, now all teams play the same. It's become mundane and boring. No surprise to me that ratings are down big. Interest is down big. But, hey, the NBA are the social media kings. They can tell you how great and how cool they are.

Best solution would be to change the point ratio from 2/3 to 3/4.

[kodo]

Crazy how the mid-range has virtually disappeared from today's game.

It's a shame really. It has ruined the game and taken different strategy and half the floor out of what was a great game.

Best (really only) solution is moving the 3 PT line back. The shot is worth too much for what it is. It is too routine and easy to be worth 150% of another (conventional 2 pt) basket. Because of that, now all teams play the same. It's become mundane and boring. No surprise to me that ratings are down big. Interest is down big. But, hey, the NBA are the social media kings. They can tell you how great and how cool they are.

Agree move it back a foot and watch how much it changes percentages and the mid range comes back

Moving the 3P line back won't change much, because %s don't drop with distance that much.

Spoiler:

@25': 36.97%
@27': 34.56%
@28': 32.84%

The 2020 league average for mid range shots is 41%, you only need to hit 3s at 27.3% to make the 3 a better shot. That basically never happens within 30'. Even at 30', NBA shooters make that shot 27% of the time.

And regardless of how far line the goes back, corner 3s are still 22' shots worth 3 points. NBA is hitting them at 40% on average, you'd have to hit a 2 at 61%+ to beat that which only happens at the rim.

These #s were from the 17-18 season, I can imagine in the future the 3P #s getting even higher.

The only thing I see changing the 3P shot from being the primary scoring option outside of 3' from the basket is to revert the special 3P defensive rules. You're basically not allowed to defender 3P shooters, you can foul them even if you don't touch them. If defenders were allowed to get close to a 3P shooter, they could at least run them off their shot and force a drive. Right now, if someone wants to shoot a 25 footer, you have to let them shoot it or suffer 3 FTs.

[Duke4life831]

Wow. Pelicans win another OT game. They were just 7-23 a couple of days before Christmas. Now they are 16-26 and 9-3 in their last 12 games. With several quality wins. If they keep this up and Zion can come back and give them half a season of quality play, they could actually make some noise and maybe even make the playoffs in the West. What an amazing turn around it's like somebody flipped a switch and they were a different team all of a sudden. Brandon Ingram deserves an all star bid for sure.

The switch was Derrick Favors. Hayes is a good rookie, but most nights when he is out there for too long he starts to look like a rookie and starts getting lost a lot and fouling a lot. So for a good chunk of the season it was Hayes and Okafor as their bigs, which led to them having a horrific defense. Favors was dealing with small injuries and family issues at the beginning of the season and wasn't himself. Since his return they're 10-7. It also shows the significance of a legit defensive can have on a team. Since his return I believe the Pels defense is like top 5 or 7 in the NBA and all of a sudden guys like Ingram and Ball dont look like bad defenders again.

[johnnyvann840]

It's a shame really. It has ruined the game and taken different strategy and half the floor out of what was a great game.

Best (really only) solution is moving the 3 PT line back. The shot is worth too much for what it is. It is too routine and easy to be worth 150% of another (conventional 2 pt) basket. Because of that, now all teams play the same. It's become mundane and boring. No surprise to me that ratings are down big. Interest is down big. But, hey, the NBA are the social media kings. They can tell you how great and how cool they are.

Agree move it back a foot and watch how much it changes percentages and the mid range comes back

Moving the 3P line back won't change much, because %s don't drop with distance that much.

Spoiler:

@25': 36.97%
@27': 34.56%
@28': 32.84%

The 2020 league average for mid range shots is 41%, you only need to hit 3s at 27.3% to make the 3 a better shot. That basically never happens within 30'. Even at 30', NBA shooters make that shot 27% of the time.

And regardless of how far line the goes back, corner 3s are still 22' shots worth 3 points. NBA is hitting them at 40% on average, you'd have to hit a 2 at 61%+ to beat that which only happens at the rim.

These #s were from the 17-18 season, I can imagine in the future the 3P #s getting even higher.

The only thing I see changing the 3P shot from being the primary scoring option outside of 3' from the basket is to revert the special 3P defensive rules. You're basically not allowed to defender 3P shooters, you can foul them even if you don't touch them. If defenders were allowed to get close to a 3P shooter, they could at least run them off their shot and force a drive. Right now, if someone wants to shoot a 25 footer, you have to let them shoot it or suffer 3 FTs.

In a vacuum it looks that way, but that's because guys take shots from a foot or two behind the current line often. The same thing would happen if you moved it back. Meaning that rarely is a 3 pt shot the exact distance of the line. So, moving the line back moves back shooters the same amount. If the line goes back guys are still going to take shots from a couple of feet behind the line, so it's relative. Also, for many players, it would take them out of their range if it's just another foot or two. I would eliminate the corner 3 entirely. It's too easy for today's players and should not be worth 3 pts. Make a cut off point somewhere near the corner where the shot is only worth 2 pts and just have the line disappear into OB.

[dice]

i think there are too many guys he needs to leapfrog:

guards:

kemba
beal
simmons
kyrie
lowry
trae

brogdon
brown
dinwiddie
lavine

At least Zach is a guard, that helps his chances. For some reason, the NBA allots 6 slots to the two guard positions, and 6 slots to the other positions.

it's 4 guards, 6 frontcourt and 2 wildcards i think

Also, you're missing Middleton

he'll definitely get in, but he's their SF and i would think would be categorized as a frontcourt player

[Leslie Forman]

Bucks almost blow a 27 point lead and up just 6 late in the 4th, Giannis decides to take a 3 (missed badly) thats the kind of poor decision that can hurt you in the playoffs against a good team

The sooner he realises there’s a reason he’s open, the better for the Bucks

Nope. Those are the shots he has to take and simply get better at. The last thing he needs to do is become more like Ben Simmons.

[RakimAbdulJabar]

Bucks almost blow a 27 point lead and up just 6 late in the 4th, Giannis decides to take a 3 (missed badly) thats the kind of poor decision that can hurt you in the playoffs against a good team

The sooner he realises there’s a reason he’s open, the better for the Bucks

Nope. Those are the shots he has to take and simply get better at. The last thing he needs to do is become more like Ben Simmons.

Not at that point in the game he doesn't, that's just not smart basketball. For some context, he was 0-5 from 3 point range for the game and 11-17 from inside the line with 20 trips to the free throw line. If you'd watched the game you would have seen what a poor decision it was as the Celtics were making their final run (36-22 advantage in the 4th) and it was just really ill-timed.

[Leslie Forman]

Bucks almost blow a 27 point lead and up just 6 late in the 4th, Giannis decides to take a 3 (missed badly) thats the kind of poor decision that can hurt you in the playoffs against a good team

The sooner he realises there’s a reason he’s open, the better for the Bucks

Nope. Those are the shots he has to take and simply get better at. The last thing he needs to do is become more like Ben Simmons.

Not at that point in the game he doesn't, that's just not smart basketball. For some context, he was 0-5 from 3 point range for the game and 11-17 from inside the line with 20 trips to the free throw line. If you'd watched the game you would have seen what a poor decision it was as the Celtics were making their final run (36-22 advantage in the 4th) and it was just really ill-timed.

I watched the game. If he is going to ever become a truly elite inside-out scorer he needs to make those, and that means he needs to take them, and that means he can't get discouraged just because he missed some earlier in the game.

If Zach LaVine has missed five straight threes people sure as hell don't think he should stop bothering to shoot it. Giannis needs to get to the same point and that doesn't happen unless he keeps trying.

[RakimAbdulJabar]

Nope. Those are the shots he has to take and simply get better at. The last thing he needs to do is become more like Ben Simmons.

Not at that point in the game he doesn't, that's just not smart basketball. For some context, he was 0-5 from 3 point range for the game and 11-17 from inside the line with 20 trips to the free throw line. If you'd watched the game you would have seen what a poor decision it was as the Celtics were making their final run (36-22 advantage in the 4th) and it was just really ill-timed.

I watched the game. If he is going to ever become a truly elite inside-out scorer he needs to make those, and that means he needs to take them, and that means he can't get discouraged just because he missed some earlier in the game.

If Zach LaVine has missed five straight threes people sure as hell don't think he should stop bothering to shoot it. Giannis needs to get to the same point and that doesn't happen unless he keeps trying.

If you watched the game and still feel that's a good shot then I can't help you

[Ice Man]

If Zach LaVine has missed five straight threes people sure as hell don't think he should stop bothering to shoot it. Giannis needs to get to the same point and that doesn't happen unless he keeps trying.

This smacks of "Derrick should keep taking the 3s when he's open." Yeah, he took 8 per 36 minutes, made 28% of them, and hurt the Bulls all year while doing so.

Giannis can take the occasional 3 in a game if the opportunity feels right, but until he actually gets to be good at them he should mostly restrict himself to practice 3s. He can take 500 per day of those if he likes.

[Leslie Forman]

Not at that point in the game he doesn't, that's just not smart basketball. For some context, he was 0-5 from 3 point range for the game and 11-17 from inside the line with 20 trips to the free throw line. If you'd watched the game you would have seen what a poor decision it was as the Celtics were making their final run (36-22 advantage in the 4th) and it was just really ill-timed.

I watched the game. If he is going to ever become a truly elite inside-out scorer he needs to make those, and that means he needs to take them, and that means he can't get discouraged just because he missed some earlier in the game.

If Zach LaVine has missed five straight threes people sure as hell don't think he should stop bothering to shoot it. Giannis needs to get to the same point and that doesn't happen unless he keeps trying.

If you watched the game and still feel that's a good shot then I can't help you

I didn't say it was a "good" shot. That's not what I'm saying at all.

[dice]

Bucks almost blow a 27 point lead and up just 6 late in the 4th, Giannis decides to take a 3 (missed badly) thats the kind of poor decision that can hurt you in the playoffs against a good team

The sooner he realises there’s a reason he’s open, the better for the Bucks

Nope. Those are the shots he has to take and simply get better at. The last thing he needs to do is become more like Ben Simmons.

he's shooting 32.4% from distance on high volume. good enough if it's late in the shot clock, but it's a bailout for the defense otherwise. he needs to get better BEFORE he's taking them at a high clip, not the other way around

[Leslie Forman]

Bucks almost blow a 27 point lead and up just 6 late in the 4th, Giannis decides to take a 3 (missed badly) thats the kind of poor decision that can hurt you in the playoffs against a good team

The sooner he realises there’s a reason he’s open, the better for the Bucks

Nope. Those are the shots he has to take and simply get better at. The last thing he needs to do is become more like Ben Simmons.

he's shooting 32.4% from distance on high volume. good enough if it's late in the shot clock, but it's a bailout for the defense otherwise. he needs to get better BEFORE he's taking them at a high clip, not the other way around

But how is he supposed to get better at it if he doesn't actually do it regularly in games? Maybe he didn't have to take that particular one but the general idea that he should just not even bother until he's "better" is how you end up just never really adding it to your game.

I mean, even Ben Simmons can make threes just fine in practice. At some point he needs to actually take them in the damn game. I'm fine with Giannis taking his lumps if he's actually trying to add it permanently to his skillset. A 32% 3 is far more useful than a 40% 2 anyways.

[Mech Engineer]

Giannis is not Dunn and the Bucks are not the Bulls. They are in a completely different stage of their careers and the Bucks have literally got nothing much to accomplish in the regular season. They can win 60 games/a top 2 seed in their sleep.

What Giannis needs is to get confidence with his 3 pt shot and make it a consistent part of his arsenal. For that, he needs to increase the volume and he can't better without taking them in real game situations. They might lose a few games here and there because of that but his goal is to win a championship. The road is pretty much open for him/Bucks this year if he improves/gets a little more consistent with his 3 pt shooting. And, it is all about making sure he is consistent enough to make opposition coaches not to leave him open at the 3 pt line.

The Bucks don't have another transcendental star or even a star studded team like the Warriors had to make-up for Giannis to be below average with his 3 pt shooting. Without Giannis improving, they will be searching for that championship. And, they have the luxury of him learning on the job because he is so good at everything else and they can afford to work around his 3 pt shooting woes during the regular season.

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